Do you deserve transparency?

[Smmer 2441]

7 minutes ago, Navigator said:

Yes, I don't like generalizations, but since you're trying to use that, I'd have put 'never, except x', but I didn't think you'd actually use Harfleur as an example because it'd just... prove the rule.

 

They have ruined the lives of many people, left them in silence and allowed hundreds of mcrpers to give them atrocious labels. If you think I wont fight a 'cooperation' on slander then idk, we evidently as your comparison shows walk upon different roads and mine is going to be kinder to me because im going to keep fighting for people who have endured being called a pedo, nazi, groomer, doxxer. They take no accountability, they assume no responsibility after a ban is given and allow people to run rampant. I refuse to accept such a belief of "they deserved that silence, lotc doesnt owe them anything we are just their clients" when no, multiple people have been falsely banned, been put on investigation bans for their full length (1 month) because an admin got upset he couldn't find the evidence (cause it didnt exist) and merely wanted to punish the player in question. If we didnt have those stories I wouldn't be here, i wouldn't be spending MY time answering people like you who don't think to put themselves in the shoes of others. Tell me Navigator, would you still hold that same sentiment earlier if you were given a cgv ban, no voice to say your side of things, spent 2 years with a tos tag? 

 

I do think your comparison is pretty accurate because if someone I hated was up and coming in the corporation we're both a part of id also slander them to the point where they get fired XD. (Slander means lie & make up btw)

[Suxals 529]

The banned player should always be told what they did wrong to get themselves banned, otherwise that gets in the way of improvement or repentance from the culprit. But the rest of the playerbase doesn't need to be privy to it.

 

I hope the admins do know why those players were banned, because otherwise that would mean they are not keeping track of reasonings and evidence for bans.

 

BUT, I have also seen players lie again and again about the reasons they were banned, and sometimes Mods are not allowed to reveal the true reason, so I take everything with a grain of salt.

[Rig 17580]

22 minutes ago, Smmer said:

 

The point isnt publishing their ban reason to the server, it's getting enough attention towards the fact that even in private they aren't even given an opportunity to speak on their side let alone learn the reason why theyre banned god forbid they even try to ask admins privately what they did wrong and get the silent treatment but yet theyre still allowed to write an appeal? What would you appeal for if you weren't told what you did wrong. I am asking for admins to have the decency to explain to the low profile cases as well btw who are on appealable bans what they did wrong because to just keep denying an appeal, offer no insight privately is really childish and cringe atp. We're grown adults, these arent kids handling any of the reports, these are people who should be professional enough to understand.

 

It could still be used to narrow things down. If somebody told me even vaguely something I did wrong, I'd be able to infer the rest of the details. As for the second part, we agree, low-profile cases should be answered clearly and concisely, even if the appeals are denied due to repeat offenses.

[Navigator 4260]

2 minutes ago, Smmer said:

Tell me Navigator, would you still hold that same sentiment earlier if you were given a cgv ban, no voice to say your side of things, spent 2 years with a tos tag?

Yeah.

 

Edit: To expand upon it, I'm not a hypocrite. I don't change opinions if things happen to me. I stand by what I say. Unlike the average MCRP player, I'm not a spineless chud. If I say something, I mean it. 

[frvma 1014]

Idk. I'm gonna agree with Nav and also add on and ask: if you think there are false bans then why would you expect the transparency to be honest? Let's be real here, if you're already against administration and think they have hate boners for certain people to get them off the server than why would their transparency be honest to you? 

 

This is such a non-issue, non-debate to foment the same anti-admin bias and drama we see on the forums like every other week. 

 

edit: I will also add on: if you believe someone's life is so easily ruined by what some terminally online emotionally soft 16 year olds say on a Minecraft server then maybe go outside and live your life? 

[Beardicuss 486]

Personally with someone with zero skin in this game I would recommend doing something similar to things on other Minecraft servers I played on where if it's something super super super Serious Mods will tell them privately and if it in any way leaks or a victim starts getting harassed then that person will be blacklisted along with known people who assisted in the retaliation 

[The King Of The Moon 7016]

It's so easy to just not break the rules in the first place though.

 

Getting banned from a minecraft server and obsessing over it for months on end long after the fact you've lost the ability to interact with it is nothing short of unhealthy. Move on.

 

There's a whole world beyond LotC and this weird perspective - from players who somehow manage to get banned over and over again - that access to our minecraft community is a human right they're entitled to infinitely appeal for is just... Sad?

 

At that point you're not being oppressed, you're just being a chud.

[Reece Nolan 996]

Navigator is carrying the conversation with facts here, but Crevel by far has the best take.

 

An important factor to consider here is that LOTC moderation and administration isn't typically proactive with their handling of CGV or TOS players, at least from what I can tell and from those I've spoken to; These bans are supposedly triggered by one party approaching the staff with their evidence, who then does an investigation after everything has already been said and done. This means the accuser has complete free-reign to cherry pick their evidence to their hearts content and should staff be unable to find any evidence to the contrary, the accused is unable to defend themself and is permanently banned.

 

The reason this is rare, though, is because the types of people who get themselves CGV or TOS banned are rarely smart, they're manipulative, but not smart. I would say that staff are likely working with 1/2 to 2/3rds of the full picture in these kinds of bans, if the players involved weren't constantly committing their heinous acts in ways detectable by Omni or easily screenshot-able, screenshare-able, or record-able inside of a discord chat.

 

What has always been more heinous to me is how long they are able to get away with it, again because this system heavily requires someone to speak up first. This is a weakness of many corporations, but I've never seen it more exploited anywhere else in my life than I have in LOTC.

[Slorbin 2932]

Can you just tell us who got CGV banned that you’re mad about 

[____Spectral____ 168]

2 hours ago, Smmer said:

On the behalf of users forum banned I have decided to make this very nice, simple and hopefully instigative post calling out Administration (Exempt are Squak/Smol) as well as managers of the moderation team past and present. 

 

The users inferred and aforementioned below are not circumstances requiring victim anonymity, they are bans that do not need censorship nor the redaction of information. Do you know what silence does in the MCRP (YOU KNOW WHAT IT DOES) community? It gives a good incentive for misinformation to spread like wildfire, I firmly believe that you're complicit with silence that only aids in catering to the mob mentality and allowing them to brew and bubble is done so with full intent on ruining the reputation of a player.

 

Do you as a banned player deserve transparency? Do you deserve to know the details behind your ban? Have you ever felt frustrated in the silence, no one enlightening you on what you've done wrong? Have you ever asked for a manager or an admin to clarify something and been left in the dark and hit with a "We don't know, we can't help you." something you can easy roll your shoulders to, a nice reply that implies there was some effort done into investigating your ban but it's just a lie. 

 

YOU KNOW WHY YOU BANNED THEM

 

The year is 2026, many of you have friends still serving CGV bans as long as 4+ years, many of you have friends who have/were been doomed to an 'Admin Appeal' and are kept on this invisible collar and chain with many of them giving up in ever trying to appeal again, this cold shoulder treatment effectively making them leave from the community. (Is that what you wanted an easy exit?) What I find to be the most egregious thing is keeping years long banned players guessing on what they did wrong, you offer them nothing but silence and any amount of communication in terms of a reply is a "Appeal denied, you can appeal again later" the lack of decency when it comes to any amount of courtesy is astounding, you can take a year to answer emails but you can't even answer their questions? You can't even be bothered to put a new appeal date, you can't even surmount any amount of sympathy for people who by all accounts genuinely aren't the harmful. 

 

I ask the good MCRPERS of LOTC who have been banned, who have friends who were and or are currently banned to answer just one question a for and an against, the pros and negatives. Do you deserve transparency?  if you have a good reason against it, I implore users to debate below. 

https://youtu.be/QNJL6nfu__Q?list=RDQNJL6nfu__Q

 

Glad I've taken a bit of a break on here. I like how in the three years I've been playing, nothing seems to have changed. Other servers I play don't suffer from such issues, or at least not as severely as here.

[KeiaTypeBeat 3277]

[Anbennar 2351]

1 hour ago, Smmer said:

Harfleur was on a 2+ year ban pending investigation, given the tos tag on their forum account and was cgv banned for doxxing. Their investigation revealed he was innocent all this time.

 

1 hour ago, Navigator said:

1 hour ago, Smmer said:

Harfleur 

Horrible example. You're using the good old 'yeah, but this right here'.

 

1 hour ago, Navigator said:

Harfleur

 

Wow it looks like I'm famous here.

 

1 hour ago, Smmer said:

Tell me Navigator, would you still hold that same sentiment earlier if you were given a cgv ban, no voice to say your side of things, spent 2 years with a tos tag? 

No. I am still infuriated. 

 

If I was given even a single shred of a clue for what I was banned for two years ago, I wouldn't have been banned for more than a single week. I was left on read, ignored. And the actual 'victim ( and greatest defender of my name while I was banned,@Knights5544 ) ' of my apparent crime (who had no idea I even 'doxxed' him), when he tried to reach out to several members of moderation, he was ignored and left on read as well.

 

I am unable to crash out about the fact I lost several important items (RIP Lunarite Stock) and incurred a shattered reputation to my name; because if I do they'll throw me into the box again and this time they'll throw away the key for good. What someone did shouldn't be said publicly by administration, the TOS Notice in the safety discord is good enough. But for the love of god if I was just given a single clue of what I did privately, I wouldn't have even been banned in the first place for something I never even did.

 

I don't think I was even given a formal sorry. 

[Smmer 2441]

1 hour ago, frvma said:

Idk. I'm gonna agree with Nav and also add on and ask: if you think there are false bans then why would you expect the transparency to be honest? Let's be real here, if you're already against administration and think they have hate boners for certain people to get them off the server than why would their transparency be honest to you? 

 

This is such a non-issue, non-debate to foment the same anti-admin bias and drama we see on the forums like every other week. 

 

edit: I will also add on: if you believe someone's life is so easily ruined by what some terminally online emotionally soft 16 year olds say on a Minecraft server then maybe go outside and live your life? 

 hey so just once again, i’m not asking them to be honest about players bans to the public… im asking them to reply to the actual people banned… Im not asking them for anything personally.

 

Its a non issue for you i guess but as someone who friends keep being targeted or are kept on these bans, i got a dog in this fight. So im going to keep fighting on their behalf. They’re forum banned, who else is gonna stick up for them? 

[Slorbin 2932]

You should probably tell someone what they’re banned for so they can appeal it 

[Smmer 2441]

3 minutes ago, Slorbin said:

You should probably tell someone what they’re banned for so they can appeal it 

 

slorbin, i’m vague posting can u not agree w me?

42 minutes ago, Reece Nolan said:

Navigator is carrying the conversation with facts here, but Crevel by far has the best take.

 

An important factor to consider here is that LOTC moderation and administration isn't typically proactive with their handling of CGV or TOS players, at least from what I can tell and from those I've spoken to; These bans are supposedly triggered by one party approaching the staff with their evidence, who then does an investigation after everything has already been said and done. This means the accuser has complete free-reign to cherry pick their evidence to their hearts content and should staff be unable to find any evidence to the contrary, the accused is unable to defend themself and is permanently banned.

 

The reason this is rare, though, is because the types of people who get themselves CGV or TOS banned are rarely smart, they're manipulative, but not smart. I would say that staff are likely working with 1/2 to 2/3rds of the full picture in these kinds of bans, if the players involved weren't constantly committing their heinous acts in ways detectable by Omni or easily screenshot-able, screenshare-able, or record-able inside of a discord chat.

 

What has always been more heinous to me is how long they are able to get away with it, again because this system heavily requires someone to speak up first. This is a weakness of many corporations, but I've never seen it more exploited anywhere else in my life than I have in LOTC.

 

i do speak out on it, you guys say im crashing out everytime i speak on shit that happens on this server. :| but i still try despite 3/4 of the server saying im the worst person to be speaking about stuff like this because of (include the long villainy list i have that makes people hate me idk) preconceived assumptions put in their head by other people. I have for years fought for these people, I have fought admins for these people. In the reason why DPMs ban changed from a tos to a pcv. I actively try, even if the server hates me i still come on here, put my emotions front and center which is a lot more than can be said for the rest of the people commenting. I care for the person, I care that they don’t have labels nor accusations levied above their heads, i care that they don’t get used by admins under a false promise of an unban. I still care.