Revolt!

[Akeron 55]

Don't spread stupid rumers. Gaius is still far more elite in power.

[Wolf Druid Ouity 1461]

We don't have TIME for this! Do you not see what is happening? The borders of Aegis shrink around us like a noose, the North overwhealmed with taint, chaos and corruption at every turn and you FOOLS want to start a civil war right in the middle of it? As it is, we are probably all going to die, because idiots like you couldn't get your heads from the mud of politics and face the Undead as one!

[Braxis 813]

ERmm this is over...

[Zebanamana 410]

Aye, though there has been division in Oren our nation has become stronger. Where once our nation was reduced down to Galahar and Talun (which is for the most part abandoned) we have gained the support of the once sovereign Black Cross Faction. Now instead of South to North our nation stretches east to west as a shield against southern Aegis. Both ruling factions of Oren are dedicated to the cause of defending this world against the scourge of the Undead, and now that we have put aside our mutual differences, and our ineffective rulers we can at fight the Undead with the ferocity that the men of Snowy Fields once had.

I tell you; we will fight the Undead tooth and nail for every foot lost in their continued conquest. For every step they take from us we shall take a thousand of them as payment. Oren prevails.

-Zibaen Vivyaen

Emissary of Eastern and Western Oren, and High Treasurer of the Phoenix Faction.

[Dash_Rogers 130]

((I hope the admins come down soon or maybe at the end of the world and make it so we have a clear ruler and brand spankin new order to refresh Oren and have a clear line of succession from now on.))

[Zebanamana 410]

((I hope the admins come down soon or maybe at the end of the world and make it so we have a clear ruler and brand spankin new order to refresh Oren and have a clear line of succession from now on.))

((I don't at all. Division makes for more realistic roleplay. Plus there is no way this will be settled unless one of the leaders dies and someone from their faction doesn't assume control. I am reminded a bit of the War of Roses and the divide between the Roman Empire. It's interesting because now it matters what House you belong to, who you give your support to, where you live, ect. We do not want one clear ruler because that would be extremely boring. We have something interesting going, and with the new set up of regions in the new map it'll be even more so. While Oren may control five territories, different Houses will likely control the different regions who in turn give their support to the different factions that are claiming control. A bit like the Empire and Stormcloak division in Skyrim.))

[Dash_Rogers 130]

((I don't at all. Division makes for more realistic roleplay. Plus there is no way this will be settled unless one of the leaders dies and someone from their faction doesn't assume control. I am reminded a bit of the War of Roses and the divide between the Roman Empire. It's interesting because now it matters what House you belong to, who you give your support to, where you live, ect. We do not want one clear ruler because that would be extremely boring. We have something interesting going, and with the new set up of regions in the new map it'll be even more so. While Oren may control five territories, different Houses will likely control the different regions who in turn give their support to the different factions that are claiming control. A bit like the Empire and Stormcloak division in Skyrim.))

perhaps, but it does not sit well with me. about 300 players can play at a time. divide that by 4 for all the race nations and there are roughly 75 players representing each nation. We really cant afford to divide up within ourselves like that anymore. one side needs to consume the other or the human race will fail on the new map. and we are already failing as it is.

Our guards and rulers have lost more than half of Oren! sure you can say the GMs planned it that way no matter what we did but honestly I think we could have prolonged it if we had guards that are assigned to guard.

[Zebanamana 410]

perhaps, but it does not sit well with me. about 300 players can play at a time. divide that by 4 for all the race nations and there are roughly 75 players representing each nation. We really cant afford to divide up within ourselves like that anymore. one side needs to consume the other or the human race will fail on the new map. and we are already failing as it is.

Our guards and rulers have lost more than half of Oren! sure you can say the GMs planned it that way no matter what we did but honestly I think we could have prolonged it if we had guards that are assigned to guard.

((Humans are far and away the most populated race in the game so it's not that big of a deal. Plus struggle through adversity. It makes the rp even better if we are weaker, and if the nation collapses and is conquered by another nation then that is even better. We need a good empire on this server to make things interesting. Then rebels can work against the Emperor, or if the humans are conquered they can work for remaking old Oren. It's not a strategy game it's a roleplay game. We fit our roles and how our characters will fit into the world, our characters should be selfish because most people are. Not everyone should be gong-ho about a united Oren because given the circumstances of the succession and the previous King people would be infuriated.

Likewise, our characters should be thinking about who rules their own nation instead of the other ones. They shouldn't be thinking, "Oh well I will accept this ruler because he was chosen and if we revolt we might be weaker." People do not think that way, because if they did many nations and successful rebellions would have never occurred. The Colonists did not fight the British Empire while thinking of the stability and strength of the empire as a whole. They did not care that they would be weakening the Empire and leaving them slightly more vulnerable to attacks from their enemies (like the French). The reason is that people are selfish, they don't care about the big picture, they care about what is around them and what directly affects them and their comfort.

So I say no, we do not need one leader, we do not need to be one united country, we do not need to be united in our resolve of being strong against the other nations. We should be loyal to ourselves and the small factions that share our interests within the nations. People should be loyal to their House and what their House supports or be deviant in a way. But very few people should be looking at the grand scheme of things and say "Hey we need divine intervention because we may be at a disadvantage when we get to the new world."

))

[｡◕‿‿◕｡ Hawk Whitestorm 715]

((Yea, if you think about it, humans by nature can't always live and peace and harmony. If we could, we would all live in one big nation.))

[salmeer 24]

(( We are actually stronger now that we are divided. ))

[Daniel 88]

If a rebellion can be started this easily we need to put the people of oren in order. Also make more sever punishments for helping the rebellion such as hard labor in concentration camps, jail time or even being executed.

[｡◕‿‿◕｡ Hawk Whitestorm 715]

((Daniel, have you noticed the dates of the posts? :mellow:

[Daniel 88]

((Oh wow nevermind then

[arthas 0]

i want to know which king my order should with once im able of getting it ready

[steelersfan1221 300]

Moved to the Great Library. It shall be sorted into appropriate category shortly.