Multiracial Or Not?

[Charles_Grimlie 1072]

I do so because of the fact that: YES. It makes sense in RP. BUT. It does not make sense OOC'ly. To do so would only cause to push, yes. PUSH the player base away from you. I have not said once about you being humans so don't try that on me. I say this out of the communities' interests. Not my own, so do not take me as such. I am only trying to make sure that the dwarves do not fall into the abyss that the mori is now trapped in for the moment until they get back onto their feet.

We have already acted as such before, and during this time we called it the golden age, when dwarves did properly rp as dwarves... Also it may be your community's interest but it is not our community's as you can clearly see in the polls... We wish to be dwarves! To stand in unity as we did back in Aegis when Kal'Urguan never had its exterior.

We will set up a system to bring more dwarves into our realm of dwarves, simple methods such as dwarf ambassadors at the cloud temple may greatly aid this movement... We are not shunning all RP as I said, but much like how it was done before and how it has always been written in the lores of all dwarves, other societies must come to us as we are far too busy toiling in our mines crafting great architectural marvels and feats whilst battling age old foes such as the living dead, and the orcs.

[CosmicWhaleShark 2488]

I'm in complete agreement with blundermore. I love playing as a dwarf, but I do not enjoy playing as a Karikan dwarf. The excess of needless laws and a stupid sense of hostility that seems apparent in dwarf on dwarf RP is not attractive to many players, including myself. Every dwarf has a sense of honor that is free to be interpreted by the player.

I remain loyal to whoever has the surname Frostbeard, that's about it. This is due to me enjoying the RP between Frostbeards and others in Alras for the most part. Karik's RP is so often dark and dreary for me. Constant fighting, the light cases of meta, and the stale conversations are what make me want to sell my home there.

Your argument with the orcs doesn't make any sense considering the fact that we fought WITH then in Asulon. >_>

[Charles_Grimlie 1072]

This is because we are recovering from a conflict that was never have meant to occur, thorik was meant to have been replaced long before the cross over or during... But his need to stay king out of a odd sense caused us to fall out of order in the ways we act, because of ooc agreements against thorik and RP actions that where set down by age old disputes caused the plan to fail, it was meant to have gone cleaner than it did.

But hopefully after this event we may have a meeting with all respectable dwarves and potentially unite them with ourselves maybe even finally fixing the vauge RP that we have currently as a sode effect to our planning.

Edit: orcs where rply set up to be a threat and they where meant to have continued to be so in Asulon as well, no matter of "peace" will keep it this way as it is bound to happen when one orc insults a dwarf's honour.

[Blundermore 2741]

And this is where RP falls down on this server. It always does here. The emotional ties to OOC based issues. Thorik was not a bad guy, sure he caused problems sometimes but I mean you could have done worse for a king. He managed to do all within his power to keep the dwarves afloat when others without and within tried to pull it down. You can think what you like of him, but I think I'll find that he was one of the best dwarf kings ever. How he managed to juggle all the nation stuff like regions, disputes etc... all the time he put in for this server for YOU. I just find it sickening that you all forced him out, though to be fair the nation leader situation was starting to take its' toll... until finally he gave up and, well... you know the rest...

[Charles_Grimlie 1072]

And this is where RP falls down on this server. It always does here. The emotional ties to OOC based issues. Thorik was not a bad guy, sure he caused problems sometimes but I mean you could have done worse for a king. He managed to do all within his power to keep the dwarves afloat when others without and within tried to pull it down. You can think what you like of him, but I think I'll find that he was one of the best dwarf kings ever. How he managed to juggle all the nation stuff like regions, disputes etc... all the time he put in for this server for YOU. I just find it sickening that you all forced him out, though to be fair the nation leader situation was starting to take its' toll... until finally he gave up and, well... you know the rest...

I myself have done this role before, though he acted much like a king, and did manage to keep the dwarves afloat his willingness to work with his subjects was very poor, compared to the kings previous... But our arguments are not of dwarf kings but of dwarves themselves as this is what we are attempting to work on after all! So please do not attempt to change the subject of the matter due to one king's words and actions.

[Blundermore 2741]

I simply replied to a subject you brought up. But very well... because it is causing you "displeasure" I will not mention it again.

The problem is though is that you can't just lock everyone away that you want to RP with and not let anyone else in unless it is on special occasion to participate. In the end the RP is suppose to help to add to the entirety of the server. Not a single group. If we all did this you would just find the equivalent of 7 servers in one. Each one with a different feel and style with hardly any interactions going on between each part. Every group should work to that one single goal "good role play for the ENTIRETY of the server". That is why I partly hated the ascended somewhat. We sat in our keep not RP'ing with anyone apart from ourselves and people just started to view us as holier than thou arse holes. That is why many of the ascended finally said that "We need to get out into the world and RP with people because we are not benefiting the server at all standing in here." In the end, everyone's RP should benefit everyone else. You locking yourselves away and not RP'ing with hardly anyone else but your own kind will serve to do nothing more than create a smaller server within.

[CosmicWhaleShark 2488]

I've said this before, but this is just a summary of my previous ideas.

1. A war with someone would only better our population as a whole. The dwarven players will want to be in the center of the action and thus they would congregate to what would be the dwarven capital. The same would go to the Frostbeards as we are bound to you by a blood oath.

2. An increase in non-conflict RP. This would include trade, religion, and then just the way we speak ICly. Enough with this stupid paragon stuff, I love DAO but for the love of Dunnmer be original. Use the religion we have already, it's very deep and supple enough to draw from IG. Be good examples to noobs with your speech and actions. By building, mining and smithing while speaking with loads of apostrophes you influence newer players to act like you! But be fun and gracious about it.

3. Subrace lore: this would show people how to actually act like the dwarf they are attempting to portray. Then we have in-depth clan lore as well. Not just accomplishments, lore! Customs, styles etc.

[Blundermore 2741]

I've said this before, but this is just a summary of my previous ideas.

1. A war with someone would only better our population as a whole. The dwarven players will want to be in the center of the action and thus they would congregate to what would be the dwarven capital. The same would go to the Frostbeards as we are bound to you by a blood oath.

2. An increase in non-conflict RP. This would include trade, religion, and then just the way we speak ICly. Enough with this stupid paragon stuff, I love DAO but for the love of Dunnmer be original. Use the religion we have already, it's very deep and supple enough to draw from IG. Be good examples to noobs with your speech and actions. By building, mining and smithing while speaking with loads of apostrophes you influence newer players to act like you! But be fun and gracious about it.

3. Subrace lore: this would show people how to actually act like the dwarf they are attempting to portray. Then we have in-depth clan lore as well. Not just accomplishments, lore! Customs, styles etc.

Now see... this is a great example of what should be done. The dwarves to most at the moment is more to that of orcs. You RP as this warlike race that would, at the drop of a hat I might add... engage in conflicts instead of trying to sought out other options. Dwarves usually only go to war when they have no other choice. War takes up resources, resources that could be put to better use. Like trading for other supplies that is harder to find for dwarves: I.e. Food etc... dwarves aren't exactly the best farmers and seeing how they live underground your not really going to farm wheat/water melon etc...

[Arbrek the Ancient 140]

I've said this before, but this is just a summary of my previous ideas.

1. A war with someone would only better our population as a whole. The dwarven players will want to be in the center of the action and thus they would congregate to what would be the dwarven capital. The same would go to the Frostbeards as we are bound to you by a blood oath.

Me and an Alrasian are trying to start a Religious War between our countries.

2. An increase in non-conflict RP. This would include trade, religion, and then just the way we speak ICly. Enough with this stupid paragon stuff, I love DAO but for the love of Dunnmer be original. Use the religion we have already, it's very deep and supple enough to draw from IG. Be good examples to noobs with your speech and actions. By building, mining and smithing while speaking with loads of apostrophes you influence newer players to act like you! But be fun and gracious about it.

L'm working on a religion for the Dwarves with the Promethean Cult, and I'm always working on improving Smithing RP.

3. Subrace lore: this would show people how to actually act like the dwarf they are attempting to portray. Then we have in-depth clan lore as well. Not just accomplishments, lore! Customs, styles etc.

I completely agree. My own Clan lore could use some work, and so could almost everyone else's.

[TEEbrown 348]

Now see... this is a great example of what should be done. The dwarves to most at the moment is more to that of orcs. You RP as this warlike race that would, at the drop of a hat I might add... engage in conflicts instead of trying to sought out other options. Dwarves usually only go to war when they have no other choice. War takes up resources, resources that could be put to better use. Like trading for other supplies that is harder to find for dwarves: I.e. Food etc... dwarves aren't exactly the best farmers and seeing how they live underground your not really going to farm wheat/water melon etc...

It looks like your taking a few and portraying them as the many. The only war hungry dwarves we have is the Ire'earts. Most dwarves aren't war hungry like them. Not saying that I don't enjoy RPing with them, their RP is some of the best I've seen. But, once they get going, it's hard not to join in. It's also true that we engaged in the war against Renatus, but only because we thought we could get something out of it. This just shows the element of greed that all dwarves share, karik or not.

[Blundermore 2741]

So what happened to this "Honour" that kejell spoke of then? There is greed but is there not honour as well? Or have I been misinformed in the last few posts?

[Broski 54]

Alright, my original Idea here.

First of all, the lore behind this would supposively be that Dwarves want economy and lend out their land on surface.

But still remain in the city where the clans and true dwarves basically will be down there (Keep in mind, this would be pretty small) And above ground were we give our surfaces to Trade and Housing and such for other Races, I am although still unsure where to pit Dwarven Housing and Other Race Housing. We will have an Inner place where the market would be, Dwarves selling and buying and other races to rent shops Outter place surrounded by a smaller wall, and other races would be able to purchase Things like plots housing and there, and farms totally outside the outter place(ring). Inside the Inner city there will be only Clans and the Forge and the Vault to drop off quota. Anyone seeing problems with this idea?

Edit: The Underground city will be TOTALLY locked off for other races.

[CosmicWhaleShark 2488]

-snip- Charles had a better response.

Though I will add that this honor consists of dwarves in general. Despite where they live dwarves SHOULD answer the call of the kingdom when the horn of war sounds.

Their honor is not of traditional human ways. It's very tightly knit in which dwarves don't care what happens to other nations such as man's unless it directly effected them.

[Broski 54]

Blundermore even though I cannot see your letters cause u write in white, and I am not going to bother to check it. But I heard you kind of want the new city to be really multi-racial. Basically this what I posted above is as much Multi-Racial as Dwarves would ever get

[TEEbrown 348]

-snip- Charles had a better response.

Though I will add that this honor consists of dwarves in general. Despite where they live dwarves SHOULD answer the call of the kingdom when the horn of war sounds.

Their honor is not of traditional human ways. It's very tightly knit in which dwarves don't care what happens to other nations such as man's unless it directly effected them.

This is how it used to be back in Kal'Urguan, but we still want to have some Rp around the city as well.

@Broski: I like the idea of having a place for other races, just not right outside the "hidden" dwarven city. We should create a trading town like Kal'Rog but with an actual purpose. aka instead of being owned by Availer -.- Also, we shouldn't have giant walls for a trading town, keep it simple with just a few structures, stalls and maybe a tavern; just no more than we need.