Creation Or Evolution? Vote!

[Watyll 1104]

I fail to see how a gut feeling relates to creation vs. evolution.

I fail to see how sarcasm relates to creation vs evolution.

[rukio 8924]

I've met some christians who are accepting of gays/lesbians, and some who are not. Just like some athiests/other religions, some approve of gays and lesbians and others do not.

Anyways, back on topic, who knows, maybe the world is all a made up part of our imagination and we're all dreaming right now. Yeah....right, I'll stick to that. >.>

[Ever 2648]

Ok, I get that you've had some bad stuff happen to you. Well, it isn't religions fault. Besides, what will be the worst that happens? You move to a different school?

Another age or country, I could have been put to death. It is religion's fault. It's happening in other countries right now, and hell, even in the US. Kids may not be getting murdered, but they are getting bullied.

[Watyll 1104]

There are plenty of atheists who hate gays. I personally don't give two shits about anybody's sexuality. Does that make me better than a *** hating atheist? No. In any case, religion is not to blame for *** hating, as there are I'm sure religions out there who do not hate gays.

Edit: Apparently the "G" word is censored out. Not my doing.

[Ever 2648]

There are plenty of atheists who hate gays. I personally don't give two shits about anybody's sexuality. Does that make me better than a *** hating atheist? No. In any case, religion is not to blame for *** hating, as there are I'm sure religions out there who do not hate gays.

Edit: Apparently the "G" word is censored out. Not my doing.

How... how isn't religion to blame?

Sure, there's going to be those going against the grain, but how can you defend a religious text that condemns gays to death? How is that not breeding discrimination and hate?

[Watyll 1104]

I...really don't agree with leviticus teachings. He should really have never put a quill to a paper and should probably have been stoned. His teachings make us christians all look like Westboro baptist church members.

[Ever 2648]

I...really don't agree with leviticus teachings. He should really have never put a quill to a paper and should probably have been stoned. His teachings make us christians all look like Westboro baptist church members.

You can't agree with it, but it's the Christian teaching. The Bible is 100% God-breathed, or inspired. It was written by men chosen by God. It is God's teachings and directions for everyone. It is infallible.

[Watyll 1104]

You can't agree with it, but it's the Christian teaching. The Bible is 100% God-breathed, or inspired. It was written by men chosen by God. It is God's teachings and directions for everyone. It is infallible.

Not really, because Jesus reverses almost everything in the old testament.

[Ever 2648]

Not really, because Jesus reverses almost everything in the old testament.

Then you're disagreeing with what 99% of Biblical scholars believe. It is widely regarded by pretty much everyone that the Bible is 100% written by God, through man. That way, it is infallible. Otherwise, it'd be subjected to human error. It seems to me at this point, you're just picking the things you like out of a religion and ignoring the things you don't like.

[Nefarious Aus Shitpost 891]

Not really, because Jesus reverses almost everything in the old testament.

Wrong. 'I came to complete the law, not to abolish it". - Jesus, one of the gospels (can't remember but w/e).

Also its not homosexuals we are against, it is the homosexual act (sodomy in particular).

Now, BACK ON TOPIC.

[Moglets 4]

" Creation or Evolution " is a false dichotomy, in other words, the theory of evolution is well explored and has produced compelling evidence that is difficult to rationally ignore while the proposal of Creationism is completely without evidence and is to many people about as mad as saying the moon is made from cheese.

The false dichotomy is a Creationist tactic of trying to give equal weighting of importance to both Evolution and Creation by pitching them against each other, and ignoring the fact that Creation has no evidence supporting it, while evolution has lots. You might have well have proposed the debate "The Earth - a planet or a giant egg?" as one we have strong evidence for and the other is an unrealistic, unsubstantiated fantasy.

To be honest, the mere idea of this topic title is an insult to science in my opinion, but it follows the religious right's well known tactic "Teach the controversy" as if there really is one.

[Polgrath 215]

So Leviticus gets brought up a lot due to its crazy content. My question is how anyone can use the section that says homosexuality is an abomination and not the one that says wearing mixed fabrics is a sin, eating shellfish is as well, and stoning adulterers. One of the most bizare things I've seen is a guy with a tattoo of the passage against homosexuality, while getting tattos are also writen to be a sin. I don't get the picking and choosing. You either (A: Agree all of the bible is holy, infalliable, and behave like its the Middle Ages, or (B, Not subscribe to any of it.

[Campor 28]

Those scenarios are puny compared to all the good that has come from religion

-people have an established set of morals

-People have positive and negative incentives for following these morals

-People who follow religion closely are loving, moralistic people who try to better themselves

None of my family was/is religious. I was raised in an Atheist household. I'm also a good person, or I like to at least think I am. Morals on their own didn't come from religious texts, humans are simply capable of understanding what feels right and wrong. It's the same reason people with some mental disorders, whether it's bashed into them from birth or not, still don't understand the difference. Morality is a human invention, not religious.

Similarly, positive and negative incentives don't come from religion. I don't think I'll go to Hell if I'm a **** to people, nor do I believe I'll be rewarded postmortem. What I do get rewarded by is making people happy and helping people. That isn't religious, it's human.

And the third one is just very, very false. A lot of groups and individuals who stringently follow religions are hate-filled and amoral. Westboro Baptist Church, countries built on moral values that put homosexuals and disrespectful women to death, the list is really quite long. Actually, to be honest, I find the people who follow a religion LESS are far better people in general. They are more accepting of different individuals, they are kinder, they are simply more personable. Absolute devotees of religion are the ones who are disgusted by the thought of homosexuality, some religions detest certain races, some religions suggest that anyone not following that religion is to be hated and scorned, or if more extremist killed outright.

Theism is not inherently a good thing, nor is atheism inherently a bad thing.

[Izo (charles/Sealhorn) 16]

Yes and secularism has done so much better! /endsarcasm

Please read the following:

Spanish Civil War

World War 1

World War 2

National Socialism

Fascism

Socialism

Gulag

Holocaust

Communism

etc, etc.

-sees socialism on one of the horrible things to happen to humanity-

[Romulo 7]

How about lets not start up a religious debate. It will only end in people being offended.

Not if its done maturely.