Creation Or Evolution? Vote!

[CraftPrime 35]

Oh God... I just remembered why I don't like to visit this thread. So many anti-theists or extreme theists...

Look away and don't turn back before it's too late. XD

[Scipp3r 451]

Every scientist can give hard evidence about evolution but evolution has its flaws. We as humans have came up with and discovered therioes and laws that will always occur and reoccur in nature as scientific laws. The thing is is that these laws are just laws.. Why do we have these laws? There is no reason why our basics happen they just do. We tell are selves - why do thins happen? They just do!! I believe in god becuase of that and that god has these for reasons.

[Campor 28]

Every scientist can give hard evidence about evolution but evolution has its flaws. We as humans have came up with and discovered therioes and laws that will always occur and reoccur in nature as scientific laws. The thing is is that these laws are just laws.. Why do we have these laws? There is no reason why our basics happen they just do. We tell are selves - why do thins happen? They just do!! I believe in god becuase of that and that god has these for reasons.

What kind of basics are you saying we don't have reasons for? Because we tend to know why things do what they do.

[Garrett 62]

Every scientist can give hard evidence about evolution but evolution has its flaws. We as humans have came up with and discovered therioes and laws that will always occur and reoccur in nature as scientific laws. The thing is is that these laws are just laws.. Why do we have these laws? There is no reason why our basics happen they just do. We tell are selves - why do thins happen? They just do!! I believe in god becuase of that and that god has these for reasons.

Lack of knowledge does not imply the existence of a god.

Also, most of your post doesn't make sense to me. Can you expand on what you would consider the flaws in the theory of evolution? What do you mean by 'laws are just laws,' and could you define what you consider to be 'our basics?'

[CalinderTheSly 2]

i think its pretty hard to support creationism - strict adherence imply s belief that the earth is only 4000 years old and after that you get varying strengths of belief.

I am not going to say there isnt a god/whatever after death - but i don't think that past the initiation of life they have had anything to do with the shaping of humanity

[livingdeath62 1]

Creationism is 80% belief and 20% fluff about a 'god'.

[CloakandDagger 134]

Why is it so hard for people to believe in God? Why do they deny the existence of a God who is loving, caring, merciful, trustworthy, graceful. I don't understand the outright denial of God. Is it because of science...? Is it because they honestly don't care...? Is it lack of faith; a sure belief that because I cannot physically see something that therefore it must not exist? Why are people so insistent on the belief that God doesn't exist, never has, and never will...? ((or that he no longer exists or cares; different discussion))

[Space 2335]

Why is it so hard for people to believe in God? Why do they deny the existence of a God who is loving, caring, merciful, trustworthy, graceful. I don't understand the outright denial of God. Is it because of science...? Is it because they honestly don't care...? Is it lack of faith; a sure belief that because I cannot physically see something that therefore it must not exist? Why are people so insistent on the belief that God doesn't exist, never has, and never will...? ((or that he no longer exists or cares; different discussion))

Because there is ZERO scientific proof for god. Why believe in that? If it gives you happiness, then you can, but don't get into a debate cause you there is no proof.

EDIT: Not even any proof, other then 'Well we're here so it must be a magical being that is exactly like the bible.'

[Samoblivion 532]

Why is it so hard for people to believe in God? Why do they deny the existence of a God who is loving, caring, merciful, trustworthy, graceful. I don't understand the outright denial of God. Is it because of science...? Is it because they honestly don't care...? Is it lack of faith; a sure belief that because I cannot physically see something that therefore it must not exist? Why are people so insistent on the belief that God doesn't exist, never has, and never will...? ((or that he no longer exists or cares; different discussion))

There are many different reasons, but I'll say the most relevant one for your comment.

You cannot prove or disprove that God exists. There is simply no evidence for or against him.

If you looked at the subject objectively, assuming that the Bible is not perfect testimony, the traditional idea of a God seems unlikely.

If you look at religion from an anthropological standpoint, you can see how it evolved over the millenia. As human beings, we are naturally curious and try to seek answers to everything. Early humans would have no way of conceiving how infinitely complex the universe is, or even what the sun was. To explain these things, early man would have created stories to help them make sense of things, one of them being the existence of an all-powerful loving being. Over time, these views have persisted, despite our ability to now explain things that were previously put down to Gods and spirits. We can explain the creation of the universe via a theory that is backed with evidence, The Big Bang Theory. We can explain the creation of life via another theory, Evolution, which is also backed up with evidence.

From a purely anthropological standpoint, the human need to explain the unknown through God is now, for the most part, gone. We can now look at things objectively and question the views of our ancestors. Views that cannot be proven or disproven.

Please don't take this as an insult to your religious beliefs. These are just my thoughts on how people have come to move away from the idea of God.

[CloakandDagger 134]

For anyone interested in a good read you should check this out...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal's_Wager

[Space 2335]

For anyone interested in a good read you should check this out...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal's_Wager

Following that, you best believe in the around 3000 OTHER Gods and Goddesses that people have created.

[Campor 28]

I'd rather not claim to believe in a deity if I don't. If I were a deity, I'd find that pretty insulting- Like trying to get into their version of heaven on a free pass even though you only claim to believe in order to do so.

I don't believe in any higher power because there's no proof for it. As said, there's no solid proof against it primarily because you can't prove something doesn't exist nearly as easily as you can prove it does. Until there is proof it does exist, it has to be assumed that it doesn't. On top of which, Christianity is not the first religion. In fact, monotheistic religions aren't the first. Why should I believe one all powerful God exists over the idea that a pantheon exists? Or a God for each element/philosophical idea? There's no reason to put one above another other than one is more popular right now.

I choose to disbelieve until given/discovering proof because it allows me to seek out knowledge rather than accept something blindly. More has been discovered that has helped the human race by seeking things out than has been granted by just accepting things are how they are and they can never be understood. Microscopic technology which has led to computers and cell phones being one of the many technologies we have discovered by refusing to simply accept that we can't understand something and deciding instead to search for an answer. Things are still being discovered almost all the time in the modern age.

For me, religion tends to signify willful ignorance. I don't mean that as an insult, but more from my experience. Followers of a religion tend to simply accept what a 2,000 year old book tells them and moves on with their life passively. I don't accept that. I'd rather look for a reason why things are the way they are, and in the past several thousand years answers to such questions have been found. Not always immediately, but they do tend to get answered and not by religious individuals. That's just what I've noted in history and the present day.

[Pnoynoy 108]

#1: Annunaki, FTW :lol: (Decide if I am kidding or not)

Man im totally with the Annunaki! Totally! :D

As for the topic, i´d would say that the religious way of being created seems rather extreme and i would prefer not to originate from a species that comes from two specimens alone for the entire kin, but i guess that´s just me. But until anything is proven i feel it would be best if we never found out, the day we do id imagine the chaos that would follow. Religions falling apart, entire societies cause of that. Gotta love the unknown sometimes.

[CraftPrime 35]

Why is it so hard for people to believe in God? Why do they deny the existence of a God who is loving, caring, merciful, trustworthy, graceful. I don't understand the outright denial of God. Is it because of science...? Is it because they honestly don't care...? Is it lack of faith; a sure belief that because I cannot physically see something that therefore it must not exist? Why are people so insistent on the belief that God doesn't exist, never has, and never will...? ((or that he no longer exists or cares; different discussion))

Probably because of the fact that logic and society grow to ask questions difficult for even religious people to answer. This causes people to find logical and supported solutions to discover the truth about what they find could not be answered in the past. Like for e.g the Sun.

Rationalism then increases, and with more things being discovered day by day, it gives people the thought that with all these truths there actually is no deity.

Although, not all scientists are thought to be sterotypically thought to be solely Athiests, for there are some famous scientists of the old days who some believed in some divine presence or something that could pull all the fabrics of space, time, and being together. Some never called it a deity, however.

[hypercrit 237]

Personally, if there is a God, he isn't exactly taking care of us. I think he gave up on us a long time ago, if he was ever up there watching us. Personally, I believe two things:

a) We are here just because we are.

B) There were beings billions of years before us situated in the solar system, and they set us up for evolution, just because I don't think evolution just randomly happened.