Mogroka

[VonEbs 1224]

They don't need to give us proof! They are a group of trustworthy admins, and they wouldn't make this stuff up.

Let me say what Swasses said in a recent ban report; everyone is human. And all humans have that small seed of corruption inside of them, and when that small seed starts to grow that person is changed.

Let's say Mog got away with yelling at some people over TS. nobody got into a fit about it. Then, he gave a few orcish pals some diamond items. Again, nobody says anything. He gradually learn he can get away with things, and keeps going up the ladder.

Everyone has their own definition of winning, and everyone wants to win. Wether it be good RP, items, a nation, we all have our terms for winning. Maybe Mog thought this would enhance his role-play, or maybe he wanted to see Oren or the orcs win. We will probably never know.

On the bright side, he can join the EX-GMAUTOEX-GM's.

Where is the proof? If you have proof, then everyone will shut up. Many think there is none. If you have proof, reveal it. If you do not reveal it, then expect people to think you are hiding something.

[Wavejammers 328]

But threatening to DDOS #LOTC because Mogroka was temporarily demoted? Are you kidding me? Act your age; or better yet, act your f**cking species.

This is why Vaquxine in unique coder, And I'm so glad we have him here.

[Space 2335]

He was asking for proof that he did those things...

Alright, so first you tell us that we're blind following, then you go on to telling us that we should trust the Admins if they give us no proof? What you're telling us to do is blind following. Also, if we're talking about trusting the Admins, shouldn't we trust Mogroka? He was an Admin and if Admins are so flawless and never wrong, we're basically saying that Mogroka was flawless and never wrong.

It's a completely different context; I will trust a full team of admins, who hav proven to be fair in the past. Mog is 1 person who hasn't even responded to anything yet. He might just admit his wrong.

And at that other guy, I don't have proof by surely the admins do.

[VonEbs 1224]

It's a completely different context; I will trust a full team of admins, who hav proven to be fair in the past. Mog is 1 person who hasn't even responded to anything yet. He might just admit his wrong.

And at that other guy, I don't have proof by surely the admins do.

I prefer not to be called the other guy. I for one am not one of Mogroka's fans. But to insult his character and remove him from power in such a way, expecting no backlash and providing no evidence is obviously not the best way to do things.

[Alakabam 582]

I prefer not to be called the other guy. I for one am not one of Mogroka's fans. But to insult his character and remove him from power in such a way, expecting no backlash and providing no evidence is obviously not the best way to do things.

They did provide evidence, you are the one not deciding to trust it and that is your fault.

[argonian 14254]

It's a completely different context; I will trust a full team of admins, who hav proven to be fair in the past. Mog is 1 person who hasn't even responded to anything yet. He might just admit his wrong.

And at that other guy, I don't have proof by surely the admins do.

And, as you are assuming that they have tons of proof, you are blindly following them. Asking for proof when Mogroka, a respected Admin, is demoted is not blind following in any sense of the word, it's just asking the Admins to show us what they demoted him for. So, while we are not blindly following Mogroka and are simply asking for proof, you are blindly following the other Admins.

They did provide evidence, you are the one not deciding to trust it and that is your fault.

What proof?

[VonEbs 1224]

They did provide evidence, you are the one not deciding to trust it and that is your fault.

My mistake I guess. Can someone post a link to it.

[Braxis 813]

They did provide evidence, you are the one not deciding to trust it and that is your fault.

I have Asked for Proof Several times and was told there was none.

[VonEbs 1224]

I have Asked for Proof Several times and was told there was none.

Oh. I guess people are lying. I am so surprised.

[Aryon 679]

Now, I do believe we should trust the Admins, but too a certain degree. When a large event, such as an Admin being demoted, I believe we are allowed to be in the know. The main reason people want truth, is because Mogroka is a friend of many, and they do not wish for it to be true. They do not have a single ounce of truth, so they go into denial. They wish that Mogroka did not do these things. Now, I know the accusations - Where is the proof? Personally, I do not believe the Admin's need to show us everything. That is why I trust them creating the new evil. But something as major as this, I believe we should know what has happened.

Take Availer into account. Everything that happened to him, we knew about. I know Availer was in a higher position then Mogroka was, but it is the same sort of situation. You even showed us the servers financials. If you aren't afraid to show us that, why can you not show us this proof?

[VonEbs 1224]

Now, I do believe we should trust the Admins, but too a certain degree. When a large event, such as an Admin being demoted, I believe we are allowed to be in the know. The main reason people want truth, is because Mogroka is a friend of many, and they do not wish for it to be true. They do not have a single ounce of truth, so they go into denial. They wish that Mogroka did not do these things. Now, I know the accusations - Where is the proof? Personally, I do not believe the Admin's need to show us everything. That is why I trust them creating the new evil. But something as major as this, I believe we should know what has happened.

Take Availer into account. Everything that happened to him, we knew about. I know Availer was in a higher position then Mogroka was, but it is the same sort of situation. You even showed us the servers financials. If you aren't afraid to show us that, why can you not show us this proof?

Indeed. People will calm down if there is indeed truth in these charges. It is just frustrating when the Admins stay quite silently denying knowing anything and people are left scrounging up rumors and gossip, and treating it as fact. This server functions as a real community. If Obama were to remove a Supreme Court Justice and did not provide proof of he/ she abusing his/ her power, people would not trust him, and to extension, his entire administration. I have seen a post by Vaq saying he knows nothing about this, and is just as surprised as the rest of it. I have also been told that Native has not seen any proof. Now, I can not validate these statements, but they just cause even more doubt. People are demanding some degree of transparency, and they are being met by cold stone walls. Most people are fine with waiting a little bit, but they hate being told they are being stupid for worrying and demanding what they believe they have a right to know.

[｡◕‿‿◕｡ Hawk Whitestorm 715]

The hell happened during my 13 hour plane ride...

[Bircalin 332]

Has it not occurred to anyone that perhaps it is a personal matter? No? Maybe it isn't something to scream and shout to ALL of Lotc's members? I repeat myself;

" Respect their privacy. "

[｡◕‿‿◕｡ Hawk Whitestorm 715]

Has it not occurred to anyone that perhaps it is a personal matter? No? Maybe it isn't something to scream and shout to ALL of Lotc's members? I repeat myself;

" Respect their privacy. "

This, and

Ohmyjesusitsbircalin

[Alakabam 582]

My mistake I guess. Can someone post a link to it.

Proof of word, again you are the one not believing it.