Stop Using More Player Models Halfing Size For Goblins

[Tyrion 119]

I gotta say that it was never really made clear to the players that Goblin were of regular human height.

The wiki explains them as so:

Goblins are fickle creatures. They are smaller Orcs, their lack of size has allowed them to grow in mind. More cunning than their larger brethren they are usually the merchants and ambassadors of the Orcs.

Goblins have been know cross-game as small creatures, so it was interpreted that they would be similar to what they see in other games.

Quote from DnD wiki:

A goblin stands 3 to 3-1/2 feet tall and weigh 40 to 45 pounds. Its eyes are usually dull and glazed, varying in color from red to yellow. A goblin’s skin color ranges from yellow through any shade of orange to a deep red; usually all members of a single tribe are about the same color.

Even DnD has seen them as small creatures, so I think we just let this race that has become a recent hit on LoTC stay the way it is. As lore breaking as this may be, it has been a tradition for most Goblins on the server to look that way, and I expect that the players also do not expect to be standing eye to eye with a Goblin.

Edit: I guess I got the info from a different place on the wiki.

[Volutional 935]

It isn't ignorance, it's players wanting to be shorter. Maybe Goblins were that tall, but obviously now players want them to be smaller nowadays. It isn't breaking lore if the RP of their families (like the Claws) lead to them being smaller. I know for a fact that Jingeh (the founder of the claw family) is taller than his littler relatives.

It's being RP'd more than you think.

[Jarkarll 314]

Most players would rather it be this way, and the change doesn't really majorly affect anything.

I fail to see why a such a large group doing such a minor change is such a problem.

If we apply this logic, and not abide by lore, then it would be the same as any Kha' having white fur. Simply because everyone else liked it.

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This is LoTC

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I'm guessing every Kha can become white then? Just because everyone wants it to be like that. The lore is there.

[Luchian 214]

Its not up to you to change our lore, I created the lore and I mantian it with the Orcish Lore Team, also when or where have we ever said Goblins are that small?

Straight from the Wiki

Goblin - Orcs of the goblin bloodline are notably smaller than other orcs, usually reaching five to six feet and not exceeding seven feet, with lean, sinewy frames. It is said that the origins of the goblin bloodline began long ago, when orcs intermingled with elves and bore offspring. Goblins generally exhibit heightened intelligence and advanced technological abilities when compared to their larger brethren.

I'm not saying it's up to me, I am meerely stating a fact. And I'm not saying change the lore, I'm saying add things to the lore explaining why their small. It's obivous most of the Goblins want to be small.

[Aelu / Rel (Combustionary) 1540]

If we apply this logic, and not abide by lore, then it would be the same as any Kha' having white fur. Simply because everyone else liked it.

No, because that was made very clear in the lore. Goblins were not widely seen as being taller, so people played them as short creatures. The lore being broken is obscure and does not really affect much. Tla's white fur is one of the central points of the Kha's lore.

[Sultan 3953]

^^ Not it isnt tradition at all, other games is up to them what they do, this LOTC race, and the Orcish race, has always stuck with there lore, if the Orcs want to change the lore, then the Orcs well decide not people that reroll into our race to start, a gimc.

Also when in our lower we state Goblins are shorter correct there are shorter, IN THE ORCISH RACE, as in they are shorter than there kin, not shorter than other races.

[Jarkarll 314]

No, because that was made very clear in the lore. Goblins were not widely seen as being taller, so people played them as short creatures. The lore being broken is obscure and does not really affect much. Tla's white fur is one of the central points of the Kha's lore.

You realize the size thing IS in the lore right?

tate Goblins are shorter correct there are shorter, IN THE ORCISH RACE, as in they are shorter than there kin, not shorter than other races.

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I'd also like to point out that the orcish lore has been around longer than the Kha lore. If you do not know that goblins are this size then it's your own fault. It's been around for a year now. It's your own fault if you didn't take the time to read it.

Stating it was made very clear in the lore is simply ignoring the fact that it's been in the lore for nearly a year now.

[Nefarious Aus Shitpost 891]

'Eh, just let them be.

[Bawg 494]

Maybe these are the Pygmy Goblins Mogroka?.. And there could be a different subspecies of goblins that are as big as men. We have different types of apes such as the Orangutan, and a Chimpanzee. Why can't we have some goblins that are small and mentally retarded. And some taller goblins that are intelligent and taller. Maybe something went wrong in the gene pool, and maybe the goblins are just mating wrong. Though, why can we not have these stupid small goblins, and intelligent man sized goblins in the world we know as Asulon.

[Aelu / Rel (Combustionary) 1540]

You realize the size thing IS in the lore right?

It is, but it has been ignored by so many, and the breach has so little consequence that it would do more harm for every goblin to suddenly be tall. This isnt some major lore-break, it's some tiny change.

I've been playing since October, and this is the first time I've even heard mention of the goblin's size.

[El Ricktador 1394]

No, because that was made very clear in the lore. Goblins were not widely seen as being taller, so people played them as short creatures. The lore being broken is obscure and does not really affect much. Tla's white fur is one of the central points of the Kha's lore.

Don't really mean to gang up on you or anything. But you can't ever really assume that a race in LOTC is going to be similar to something you've seen before. Or this happens:(A small picture I made a long time ago when I was surprised by how massive Orcs are. Back when I first joined.)

[Aelu / Rel (Combustionary) 1540]

Don't really mean to gang up on you or anything. But you can't ever really assume that a race in LOTC is going to be similar to something you've seen before. Or this happens:(A small picture I made a long time ago when I was surprised by how massive Orcs are. Back when I first joined.)

Honestly, the depiction as Goblins being small is what LoTC's RP had imprinted on me. Even in Aegis I've RPed with really short goblins.

[Jarkarll 314]

It is, but it has been ignored by so many, and the breach has so little consequence that it would do more harm for every goblin to suddenly be tall. This isnt some major lore-break, it's some tiny change.

I've been playing since October, and this is the first time I've even heard mention of the goblin's size.

It's your own fault for not looking at the lore. So, tell me then. It's ok now to simply ignore lore?

I ignored the Kha lore. Heck I don't give a damn about the Kha.

However even I knew that only the Tla could have white fur.

Stating it has been ignored by so many only points out that people are breaking lore. If you wish to break lore then you're going against the lore that has already been placed.

Saying that so many have ignored it is the same as saying that committing a crime is ok if everyone else is doing it.

I'd also like to point out that this is the first time that the goblins are this small.

The previous goblins have all been the age that follows lore. Yahgy for example was 5 feet and 6 inches tall. He was probably the most famous goblin, and he abided lore. What makes you so special as to not follow it?

[Bawg 494]

It is, but it has been ignored by so many, and the breach has so little consequence that it would do more harm for every goblin to suddenly be tall. This isnt some major lore-break, it's some tiny change.

I've been playing since October, and this is the first time I've even heard mention of the goblin's size.

Yes, but it has been in the lore for a long while. But because of the Gobonic Order it has caused an uproar. It was a detailed overlooked by many. People visualize the Goblins are from World of Warcraft, and Warhammer. Goblins that are shorter than a man, though in our lore goblins are man sized.

[Danny 2232]

The previous goblins have all been the age that follows lore. Yahgy for example was 5 feet and 6 inches tall. He was probably the most famous goblin, and he abided lore. What makes you so special as to not follow it?

Most goblins are small, and not lore sized.