Stop Using More Player Models Halfing Size For Goblins

[Braxis 813]

Jingeh has been a Gobbo for months... back in 2011 he was being roleplayed. So, why has this suddenly been commented on now? You're saying, characters like Jingeh must adjust the size of their characters considerably, even though they have been roleplaying them as short, nimble creatures for a long time, with nothing said to them regarding their height, and how it's unloreful, despite very little lore has been written about them being human sized?

I think this "lore" needs to be revised, or written clearer on the wiki that they are human sized.

This has frustrated me.

Because back in 2011 when He played Jingeh in Aegis there was no MPM so there was no direct way of knowing size so many did not know or care. and it has come up now. Cause TONS of people are running around with MpM halfing for Goblins running amuck.

[Lym 849]

When the Orcs traveled amongst the other races to Asulon, a small boat filled with Goblins got lost in the horrific storm. They've arrived at Asulon without the larger orcs being around them, so they settled soon afterwards on their own. Seeing how there were no large orcs around and there couldn't be any change in the DNA, Goblins started to shrink over the past years due to the lack of food and a stablized enviroment to grow up in.

There.

Not 100% accurate but something we can start on to explain the RP reasoning for most of the Goblins being small. This is also why families like the Claws have been found and last but not least the Gobonic Order.

[Bawg 494]

I honestly feel that Gobos are one of the most interesting things about the Uruk race, what's the big deal if they RP being short? Sure it breaks lore, but it brings a lot more funny and interesting RP. Plus, is it really hurting anyone?

Yes, it breaks lore. But what someone else decides to break lore.

Such as, Dwarves that are beardless and cannot hold their alcohol.

Elves hate trees, and don't have pointy ears.

Humans that are not royal, and perfer to be barbaric.

Orcs that don't like to kill, and love to have tea parties with the other races.

This would break lore. Breaking the Goblin lore is like breaking one of these traits for the race. Though, I do hope for 2 goblin races to emerge from this.

[Aelu / Rel (Combustionary) 1540]

The fact of the matter is that seeing Goblins as short is now the rule rather than the exception. 9/10 people see them as short on LoTC. If there is to be a change, it will have to be done differently than by bringing up the same obscure and ignored lore that people have already been ignoring.

Nobody said a word about them back when the "fad" began, and how it is now is the way people generally accept it. It is what people enjoy, and it is honestly not doing an harm at all.

Just let it be.

[Nefarious Aus Shitpost 891]

Can't we just have two subspecies of goblin? Dwarf/Fairy/Pygmy Goblins and the old 5ft ones.

[Sultan 3953]

One can still be cute and small without sacrificing knowledge and technologic ingenuity. I always thought goblins to be a mix of both the sinewy smart 6 ft goblins and the adorable, funny 2 ft ones. I see them as around 4-5 feet, and they prove their worth with their size. Big orcs cannot get into siege equipment to repair them as they are too big to get through the small cracks and their hands too big to work the finer details. This is why goblins are good at surgery or engineering; their small precise hands let them do things more effective than even say a human. However, they still have crazed bloodlust which makes them act reckless and foolish often.

This is how I've always seen them, I've always wondered why the wiki-lore and IC goblins had different culture and physiology, but its never bothered me too much.

2ft Goblin are useless, and the rest is fine, and the points you listed are exactly what our 5-6 feet goblins are used and useful at.

[Jarkarll 314]

The fact of the matter is that seeing Goblins as short is now the rule rather than the exception. 9/10 people see them as short on LoTC. If there is to be a change, it will have to be done differently than by bringing up the same obscure and ignored lore that people have already been ignoring.

Nobody said a word about them back when the "fad" began, and how it is now is the way people generally accept it. It is what people enjoy, and it is honestly not doing an harm at all.

Just let it be.

Just because the majority agrees on something does not mean anything at all.

Also the problem is that Jingeh, was never part of the orcs, neither oocly or icly. He was whitewash and elsewhere. These goblins however are part of the warnation and are not whitewash.

Also, if it's ok to ignore lore then i'm just going to start rping a white Kha. I'll just ignore the lore and walk all over the work that someone else put into making the lore simply because I want to have it my way.

[Ivran 137]

Yes, it breaks lore. But what someone else decides to break lore.

Such as, Dwarves that are beardless and cannot hold their alcohol.

Elves hate trees, and don't have pointy ears.

Humans that are not royal, and perfer to be barbaric.

Orcs that don't like to kill, and love to have tea parties with the other races.

This would break lore. Breaking the Goblin lore is like breaking one of these traits for the race. Though, I do hope for 2 goblin races to emerge from this.

The issue with the examples you've given, is that they are LARGE lore breaking examples. A goblin being a two or three feet shorter than it should be is /not/ a large lore-breaking event. It doesn't hurt us, and if anything it creates a lot of fun RP. Unless of course, we want less of that?

[TheNander 241]

I think we should just keep them the size the community RP's them as. I'd

rather not rp goblins as the troll race from Word of Warcraft. If the community wants them to be tiny little imps, let them be. The community is the one who should decide as it is for their entertainment. As for the mental retardation of most Gobbos its hard to be smart when you talk like a 5 year old schoolyard bully, that I understand. Gobbos for the most part should be smart aside from a few. A new Gobbo accent should fix this. That's the only change I'd like to see. Aside from that it is nice to have a mischievous little imp-like creature that causes some funny, exciting, and non-trolly RP.

[Danny 2232]

Yes, the ones that do not follow our lore you interacted with them that's why I stated we enforce our lore ingame, Pink-Skin Orcs and Goblins allways break our lore, they are not considered orcs OOCLY or RPly. And we view them badly in RP and OOC because they do not follow our lore.

I'm not saying it's right for them to do so - I'm pointing out that a large amount of goblins haven't followed the lore in Aegis, and almost all of them in Asulon.

[Jarkarll 314]

I was literally one of the first goblins using this height, but only because my character is RPly a midget goblin, his name is Tiny Claw. I'm not changing his height for something to do with OOC. He is a whitewash Goblin, and I don't play him often; But I'm not changing his height.

That is fine. You are whitewash. Perfectly ok. Thats why we never brought this up against the Claw family. You aren't apart of us.

The Gobonic Order on the other hand is apart of the War Nation.

[Sirbubbley 26]

Honestly i cant belive this has lasted this long, if you wanted this enforced you should have brought it up when it started not once every goblin is short. If you care so damn much then you should have acted sooner, it is what it is if a goblin wants to RP short then so be it.

[Cyndikate 2303]

Orcs that don't like to kill, and love to have tea parties with the other races.

Whitewash.

[Bawg 494]

The issue with the examples you've given, is that they are LARGE lore breaking examples. A goblin being a two or three feet shorter than it should be is /not/ a large lore-breaking event. It doesn't hurt us, and if anything it creates a lot of fun RP. Unless of course, we want less of that?

The ears on a elf aren't a big deal either until you rid of them. The same thing with a goblin. As I said I want two forms of Goblins to emerge after this. I am neutral here, but to be honest the lore was there, and was overlooked by many. That is like saying if the dwarves wanted tentacles as arms, and they got thirty other people to roleplay a dwarf with tentacle arms it is acceptable. It would be interesting roleplay, but do you really want 30 dwarves runnign around with tentacle arms?...

[Sultan 3953]

None Orcs stop posting here, please your input is not required.