Regarding high elves.

[Maliewyn'divu 21]

I really enjoy playing my elf. He's angry at Haelun'or, though he pretends not to be, and he doesn't like High Elves, but he's still quite racist. Smart, and he thinks it's illogical to be totally racist, but he still is quite racist.

[MrSyth 636]

I really enjoy playing my elf. He's angry at Haelun'or, though he pretends not to be, and he doesn't like High Elves, but he's still quite racist. Smart, and he thinks it's illogical to be totally racist, but he still is quite racist.

And what sub-race is this character? If he/she is HE, he cannot be angry at Haelun'or. You can't get mad at disneyland.

[Lynesse {Celia/Jazzy} 398]

I really enjoy playing my elf. He's angry at Haelun'or, though he pretends not to be, and he doesn't like High Elves, but he's still quite racist. Smart, and he thinks it's illogical to be totally racist, but he still is quite racist.

While I understand that it's definitally fun to be different, my point still stands. High Elves arn't born by accident and they're born under the propaganda of racial supremacy. However, it's too late to tell everyone this because they already have characters. The most we can do is honestly give slaps on the wrist. I mean, if you're going to hate us then make a human, a half-breed or a wood elf to hate us.

[Horatio Burns 0]

I agree with this 100%, most races now are becoming to influenced by modern times ethics(Such as people caring if a peasant is killed, that would not have happened in medieval times) and with races being effected with human ideas and morals.

[Baconthief 682]

I failed my race :( I was unable to brainwash my rp children(The absence of their mother didn't help either)

[FluorescentSky 20]

I am going to -1 this topic.

One of the things I hate most on this server is when people tell you how to roleplay their race EXACTLY like everyone else plays that race. Everyone is DIFFERENT, IRL and IC. Not every character is going to be EXACTLY like their race is supposed to be

[emberhard 82]

I disagree because I made my char when all this high elf lore and such was not around, but that's just for me, my profile dose not say "old hat" but I have been playing emberhard for almost a year now and when I made him people could care less what sub-race of elf you were.

(Or at least I think that was the case, as back when I was a newb, unfortunately I was a newb, and did not keep myself privy with the forums)

[MrSyth 636]

I am going to -1 this topic.

One of the things I hate most on this server is when people tell you how to roleplay their race EXACTLY like everyone else plays that race. Everyone is DIFFERENT, IRL and IC. Not every character is going to be EXACTLY like their race is supposed to be

You've clearly either misunderstood the topic, or just haven't read it. The problem is, there are too many people NOT playing like the race AT ALL. Everyone is different, but you don't see people rolling around in the mud like pigs do you? High Elves are a great race to play, yet the majority of them are now the 'outcast'.

[Lynesse {Celia/Jazzy} 398]

I am going to -1 this topic.One of the things I hate most on this server is when people tell you how to roleplay their race EXACTLY like everyone else plays that race. Everyone is DIFFERENT, IRL and IC. Not every character is going to be EXACTLY like their race is supposed to be

I disagree because I made my char when all this high elf lore and such was not around, but that's just for me, my profile dose not say "old hat" but I have been playing emberhard for almost a year now and when I made him people could care less what sub-race of elf you were.(Or at least I think that was the case, as back when I was a newb, unfortunately I was a newb, and did not keep myself privy with the forums)

I do not think.you read the thread properly. I have stated that it is.impossible and too late to force everyone to have a drastic character change. The damage has been done. The point of the thread was to inform newer players that rolling a race like High Elves and not following general logical lore may.not be your best bet and that you may want to choose another race or subrace.

Same goes for you, Emberhard. The situation that you are in is very understandable. High Elven lore really was not fleshed out until Asulon.

(No pretty colours or font, on my phone.)

[VIROS 2915]

We have the same problem with anti-monarchists and people insisting "we have rights" in the 16th century themed Oren, where everyone is raised to believe the God gives us our place in society. Also, the amount of atheists is astounding, given the fact that this world has holy magic, obviously present servants of God, and the world itself is literally flat.

I'm not saying we can't have unique characters, but the whole point of a unique character is to be different from everyone else. If all the peasants are mini-John Lockes, then philosophical and literate serfs are the norm, so if you make one it is hardly impressive.

[Dyn 149]

The problem is the world. Beliefs and views can change as you journey around. I don't really see many high elves RP the way you describe. Though you have to consider that the current high elves could also have children (Like my character Dynasty, son to dark elf and high elf) and raise them in their beliefs. Maybe they didn't like some of the things you said. Maybe they could teach different to their high elf children. You can't really say that every single high elf will have the exact same mindset of racism as soon as they are rolled if they are rolled as I just stated. Just putting that out there.

[Dio Astóre 69]

High Elven lore is accommodating to a large variety of archetypes, however it is also a difficult sub-race to understand and thus play correctly. Some new applicants will choose humans as their race because that is what they know best. There are plentiful guides submitted by the players themselves on their insight toward knowing whether a High Elf is the appropriate choice for you. Because of the strict definition of a Mali'aheral it is as a technical matter impossible to be half High Elf, even though you can have a single parent which considers themselves a High Elf.

I appreciate the application team's assistance with ensuring newer players understand the lore, although much of its intricacies are left for in-character discovery so that older High Elves can remember their heritage. Young characters are special cases which will have to put more thought toward the character history. These links will assist in wrapping your head around the sort of things High Elves are about.

http://www.lordofthe...elven-rp-guide/

http://www.lordofthe...obbery-and-you/

http://www.lordofthe...__1#entry403446

http://www.lordofthe...-of-a-high-elf/

http://www.lordofthe...he-silver-city/

http://www.lordofthe...e-of-the-elves/

http://www.lordofthe...e-ellir-reform/

http://www.lordofthe...roleplay-guide/

http://www.lordofthe...__1#entry558803

P.S. The last link is particularly enlightening.

[Lynesse {Celia/Jazzy} 398]

The problem is the world. Beliefs and views can change as you journey around. I don't really see many high elves RP the way you describe. Though you have to consider that the current high elves could also have children (Like my character Dynasty, son to dark elf and high elf) and raise them in their beliefs. Maybe they didn't like some of the things you said. Maybe they could teach different to their high elf children. You can't really say that every single high elf will have the exact same mindset of racism as soon as they are rolled if they are rolled as I just stated. Just putting that out there.

Dante is one of the few exceptions. This is because of the fact that he actually started off in Haelun'or and had a reason to "go impure" in roleplay itself. This is not the case with many new joiners.

The point is, high elves arn't born by accident. I'm not just talking about pro-creation with another race. When a high elf is born, they're brainwashed. If they disagree, then expect them to be made to agree. While logically there are some people somewhere along the line that did go "impure", the numbers of these people in roleplay compared to us is just too damn high!

[Dyn 149]

Dante is one of the few exceptions. This is because of the fact that he actually started off in Haelun'or and had a reason to "go impure" in roleplay itself. This is not the case with many new joiners.

The point is, high elves arn't born by accident. I'm not just talking about pro-creation with another race. When a high elf is born, they're brainwashed. If they disagree, then expect them to be made to agree. While logically there are some people somewhere along the line that did go "impure", the numbers of these people in roleplay compared to us is just too damn high!

Again, what if two of these "impure" high elves had a child outside of the society and raised it in THEIR ways. It wouldn't had been born on accident. It would've been born out of their love for one another. It wouldn't be brainwashed if the parents didn't want it that way. You can't say the numbers of these non racist high elves are getting too high if they are born like that. Races change, it's only natural that some elves branch off from their roots.

[Aelu / Rel (Combustionary) 1540]

Again, what if two of these "impure" high elves had a child outside of the society and raised it in THEIR ways. It wouldn't had been born on accident. It would've been born out of their love for one another. It wouldn't be brainwashed if the parents didn't want it that way. You can't say the numbers of these non racist high elves are getting too high if they are born like that. Races change, it's only natural that some elves branch off from their roots.

Half High-Elves are not the issue being addressed; the issue is people who make characters who's most defining aspect is "Impure High Elf". High Elves having children with other races, or with a culture different than Haelun'or's is meant to be rare.

The issue we have is when players make a new character, and be an impure High Elf who's reasoning is only "He wasn't raised normally.". This should only, in my opinion, be the case if you're playing a character who's parents are actually played IG and fit said criteria, because, based on scaled population estimates, there shouldn't be enough impure High Elves running around to make all these unorthodox characters.