Austin 697 Share Posted January 21, 2013 That was faster than I expected. This is why we dislike waring dwarves. We spent 7 months straight at war with them, go fight the elves (even though there leaders will ignore your attempts to negotiate a battle) but hiebe has a point, you can't just start a war, see you are losing then stop it ooc. Also if you were to intervene ooc you should come to a consensutual agreement with dwarf leaders. Also ICly there is no honor in stopping a war after a week, an Orc would continue to fight. However, I'm guessing the orcs weren't enjoying themselves and looked to arteh in an attempt to fix it, but a 2 line RP post is in no way sufficient in my opinion. I like what sharku said: end it with a final battle, then continue it in 3.0 I suggest maybe a naval battle between dwarves and orcs on the transitional faze between islands or something Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonAulus 2082 Share Posted January 21, 2013 The reason we want to end it quickly is because of rampant abuse of rules and disregard for the fun of the orcs. Specific guidelines were set and many were broken. I am not saying the orxs are innocent of all crimes, but we are tired with dealing with the dwarves blatant OOC bullshit and abuse. I am not going to point fingers at any specific people, you know who you are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiebe 2493 Share Posted January 21, 2013 You mean winning right instead of "fun"? In pvp the only people having fun s the winners 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin 697 Share Posted January 21, 2013 There is a difference between losing and being mercilessly slaughtered to a point of unenjoyment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiebe 2493 Share Posted January 21, 2013 There is a difference between losing and being mercilessly slaughtered to a point of unenjoyment Then dont piss off 75% of the server races. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mingpow321 285 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Then dont piss off 75% of the server races. Kinda hard to avoid when people like to find the tiniest loophole in order to start/join battles they know they'll win. This isn't actually directed at the dwarves, so much as the general population who seem to simply hop into battles that they would gain nothing from RPly. I wish that there was more cost to mobilizing an entire army, that way it would not be as easy as "Oh, so and so is going to battle, we better join up". I suppose what I'm trying to say is that when running a nation being "pissed off" at another nation should not be reason enough to go to war. I'm sure the US has been pissed off at other countries a fair number of times, but we don't go declaring war willy-nilly. And we don't go hopping into the fights of other nations all the time either, it simply makes no sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arteh 1837 Author Share Posted January 22, 2013 As I said I will be posting an RP post which I have. The war is over because it wasn't enjoyable and a lot of rules were broken and I came to the decision it would be best OOCly to end this before it spirals out of control into a big shitstorm. This post was to prevent this and by commenting such things Hiebe all you are doing is making a flame war. Stop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zezimus 1523 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Most of the complaints seem to have been answered but I do want to mention the whole situation with Oren. Unless this simply wasn't specified to me and thus was overlooked, I was never informed that Oren should have had no part in any of these battles. The document itself specifically listed only dwarves and so that's who I gathered a list for. In no part of the rules were allies mentioned and so when the dwarves were pinned down in their fort, and neither side looked like they'd be advancing, they called on Oren's support due to the blood pact between their two nations. The dwarves were in the exact same position in Asulon and lost a lot of their land to orcs in the early stages of the war. In the cases of the dwarves and Oren, the orcs need to find a way to deal with it RPly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ΚΨΙΞ 710 Share Posted January 22, 2013 The only reason we pissed off Oren into joining the War was because you pleaded them to help you. Why not just have Dwarves vs Orcs? We gave you 2weeks a couple months back to get your sh*t together in the War because you kept losing. After those 2weeks you had produced a massive army and kept killing us non-stop how about give us the same benefit? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leave me alone 995 Share Posted January 22, 2013 This is good, however do not just end the war, I'd just say end the huge scale battles. Why not have guerrilla strikes and sabotage missions in the other races regions just for some fun small conflict RP? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zezimus 1523 Share Posted January 22, 2013 The only reason we pissed off Oren into joining the War was because you pleaded them to help you. Why not just have Dwarves vs Orcs? We gave you 2weeks a couple months back to get your sh*t together in the War because you kept losing. After those 2weeks you had produced a massive army and kept killing us non-stop how about give us the same benefit? Pleaded them to help us? We have a blood pact, a large document that details each and every term of the alliance. If Oren went to war, we would follow them if they called on us and so when we call on them in a tight situation, they answer. Like I said, the dwarves were in the orc's position in Asulon and were given no leniency. You can't attack and raid every nation and expect to not gain enemies eventually. The orcs started this war, the dwarves didn't even intend to have another until 3.0 so how can they be blamed? I can go even further back than Asulon to when the dwarves were being dominated by the orcs and Wardens in Aegis. It was only after the dwarves gained alliances with the humans that the war begun to even itself out. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ΚΨΙΞ 710 Share Posted January 22, 2013 The Dwarves where given no leniency? So what was that 2week hold in the War for so the Dwarves could get a larger army. We where winning on a 4 streak but after those 2weeks we lost atleast 7 times in a row. How is that fun for us? Again give us the same benefit. Hold it off until 3.0 it isn't fun for us so why should you continue this? EDIT: I'm not saying were playing to win but if you don't win some battles, a game is never fun. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zezimus 1523 Share Posted January 22, 2013 The Dwarves where given no leniency? So what was that 2week hold in the War for so the Dwarves could get a larger army. We where winning on a 4 streak but after those 2weeks we lost atleast 7 times in a row. How is that fun for us? Again give us the same benefit. Hold it off until 3.0 it isn't fun for us so why should you continue this? EDIT: I'm not saying were playing to win but if you don't win some battles, a game is never fun. After the dwarves won back their land, they ended the war after they could have pushed into orc territory. It isn't much leniency to have raided the dwarven capital every day, until they barely had a chance until the later stages of the war. In the situation of the battle yesterday, the dwarves were completely outnumbered until Oren came and it was only supposed to have been a raid. Where is the fairness there? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ΚΨΙΞ 710 Share Posted January 22, 2013 In the raid yesterday you had atleast 7 guys and the Orcs had 11. Then you got another 6 from the hold which we tried to ambush but they got in the fort. Orcs vs Dwarves is fun because we know we have a chance but with Oren its just boring. Seriously why can't the Dwarves fight their own battes? Too many "Help, help, help, I need help" from the Dwarves yesterday when you guys largely outnumbered us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
THUNDER37 162 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Both sides have given leniency to each other in the past, however that no matter what affects the present. What matters now is that this war shows no benefit to either side.. What both races should be focussing on IC'ly is gathering resources and preparing themselves for the next leg of the journey. It is my belief that one of the sides should state to their people that should the oposing side attack, war will ensue and by no means are their people to attack the oposers. This will give IC reason for some peace and also resolve the issue of "Its not RP enough!" Stop whining. Even when the war ends to stop the whining more whining ensues due to whining ending. Its an endless loop of garbage that isn't needed. Focus on gathering materials for the trip, not mutelating each other in a pulp. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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