[05/18/13] Gm Q&a

[gabriel101x1 463]

I do agree that RP fighting has serious problems. But PvP is not the answer, not in a million years.
I would much rather see a DnD-esque fighting plugin integrated with the skills plugin that uses dice rolls which take into account your combat skills.
So basically you would RP fighting with emoting and everything like normal, but then every time someone attempt to hit a person, the plugin does a dice roll that takes into account your skills. So if you have a high level in say swordsmanship and you have a sword equipped then you will have a much greater chance of getting a hit.

As an Aussie player with slow internet, winning a PvP battle is nigh impossible for me, as well as the majority of the server's players outside America. We have much higher latency and ping times then players within the US, so for every hit an Aussie player makes, a US player can make 2-3 hits just in the time it takes for the signal to travel from Australia to America. PvP is an exorbitantly unfair way of doing combat.
Then on top of that there are other issues regarding PvP:

- Magic users: We don't have a magic plugin so what are we magic users supposed to do in a PvP situation?

- People who are OOCly skilled at PvP but not ICly so: I have seen and talked to quite a lot of people who practice PvP all the time on MC-PvP servers and are quite skilled at it. A large number of those people play characters who are either ICly bad at combat, or they come up against someone who is RPly a much better fighter then them. And then when they PvP they just massacre everyone with ease...

Also I don't see how that poll could be at all accurate, it only has 44 voters in it and I am very doubtful of there being an even distribution of participants as many of the RPers I know that are against PvP aren't very active on the OOC sections of the forums, such as the ideas and feedback subforum where I am guessing that poll was.

 

People who PvP fight are actually some of the better RP'ers on this server... The thing is a lot of people, myself included, absolutely despise RP fighting because it is basically synonymous with powergaming and we just happen to be the older people on the server who remember a time when RP extended BEYOND fighting. Ever since RP fighting became the norm, normal RP just died... PvP fighting had some scare to it so most people wouldn't engage in it WHICH IS THE WAY IT SHOULD BE.

 

Uh.... A sign of a good RPer is someone who doesn't have a care in the world about whether they win or lose a fight. In over a year of playing on this server I've only met 1 good RPer that actually enjoys PvP...
But perhaps I hang around the wrong places.. Who knows.

[Diri/GreenKoopaBros 58]

People who PvP fight are actually some of the better RP'ers on this server... The thing is a lot of people, myself included, absolutely despise RP fighting because it is basically synonymous with powergaming and we just happen to be the older people on the server who remember a time when RP extended BEYOND fighting. Ever since RP fighting became the norm, normal RP just died... PvP fighting had some scare to it so most people wouldn't engage in it WHICH IS THE WAY IT SHOULD BE.

 

The day that pvp becomes an answer for anything on this server, where Rp could easily fix it,  will be the day that I leave this server and find an Rp server that actually supports strict Rp.

 

As long as people like me, who uphold the very spirit of this server, still come on here, I can honestly say that people won't stand for that kind of environment. I, for one, boo you. You should be ashamed of yourself for even trying to make LotC like any other server.

 

LotC is a unique experience that can be found nowhere else, and you want to take that away. People who choose "pvp" over "rp", on this server, either need to change their priorities or leave. We don't need taint, like that, soiling the very thing that this server stands for.

[THUNDER37 162]

I've seen a few people spew out 'RP fighting allows for powergaming'... 

Do you not understand, that PVP in essence is powergaming also? Let me put it into a scenario for you:

 

-Orc and a Halfling get into a fight.

-Orc wields giant battle axe

-Halfling wields shovel

-Orc stands seven foot tall

-Halfling stands four feet tall (Did I get the height right?)

-Halfling has far more pvp experience and decimates the Orc.

 

In RolePlay, this wouldn't happen and is blatantly against common sense. Yet, we want this as a default? Come on... 

 

Tell you what, replace the Halfling with a little girl. Make sense that she could kill an Orc? Didn't think so.

 

So, as an overall conclusion. Please don't spew the garbage which is 'RP allows for PowerGaming'. As PVP is just as bad, and possibly worse in that aspect.

 

EDIT: If you want to add a 'scare' into fighting again, why not make it a default that if YOU initiate the fight and die in RolePlay, you have to /kill yourself. There is no option of keeping your items if you initiate the fight.

This ethic would stop people simply running into fights with relatively no material loss and then pulling the 'I don't want to lose my gear!' card when they get murdered.

[Bircalin 332]

I'll just add that from that screenshot, 44 people voted. There are a few more than 44 people that actively play on the server. I sure didn't vote and I can think of plenty others that didn't too. If you want to use that as evidence, update and renew it. Otherwise, it is dated and a poor source of evidence.

[Cyndikate 2303]

A thread will be made later this evening.

[Song Druid 1486]

People who PvP fight are actually some of the better RP'ers on this server... The thing is a lot of people, myself included, absolutely despise RP fighting because it is basically synonymous with powergaming and we just happen to be the older people on the server who remember a time when RP extended BEYOND fighting. Ever since RP fighting became the norm, normal RP just died... PvP fighting had some scare to it so most people wouldn't engage in it WHICH IS THE WAY IT SHOULD BE.

If you want RP to extend beyond fighting, then perhaps you should consider not starting fights.  RP fighting isn't a problem because people want to do it all the time.  Its a problem because we have a bunch of people who think violence is the only source of interesting RP.

[Elfen_ 232]

If you want RP to extend beyond fighting, then perhaps you should consider not starting fights.  RP fighting isn't a problem because people want to do it all the time.  Its a problem because we have a bunch of people who think violence is the only source of interesting RP.

This is true. There is many other interesting RP you can kind. It can be found anywhere. Heck even sometimes you must create fun RP  that isn't fighting.

Again, I'll let to remention that PvP to replace what RP can do, takes away the learning environment of how to roleplay. My theory why people think RP fighting can lead to powergaming etc, is because no one can be taught how to RP fight correctly.

[o_Ben_o 193]

It annoys me a lot to see people still arguing about rp fights. We are a role play server not a pvp server! I personally enjoy rp fighting as 1. Its more fair 2. More fun 3 A lot more detailed. I think if you really want to pvp within your role play - ask for the other players consent and if they do not want to...HARD CHEESE.

[Solaba 144]

I think it'd be great to have PvP as default for fights that mean death. It'd prevent SO many people acting like their some kind of hero and trying to fight an armed man. Countless times I've seen random ass peasants fighting back with their fists. It makes no to sense to try to fight an armored man with your fists. But if its a brawl, by all means rp it.

[Hyperbeem 6]

Me Likey :3