Jistuma

((That's not the OOC agreement, the agreement is that you can't have another character that fights actively against them. Meaning the player can't have two characters, one fighting against the other, simply because that can't really happen. Then comes the problem on what side to choose for events of large scale, and one side might get slighlty pissed you chose the other, and then of course there is the problem of the t0 plugin, which, if you don't know, stop skeletons from attacking your MC figure, and spells don't affect you. Then of course you will get access to chests and doors, that your other character would not have access to. The Metagaming thing is actually far less important now that I think of it... Either way, what you are talking about is of characters that are part of the opposing force trying to join the cult, and we allow that, we don't stop them from joining because of that. We try to root them out through IC actions, that is why the blessing is viewed in such great reguards, it stops spies. Yet, it's not mandatory, meaning if a character that join us is in fact spying, he would be creating great rp, and get the perks of the cult. I think you missunderstood the rule, thought we are discussing how to deal with it, because it does appear very strong. We're pretty much with the problem of the antag0 plugin, which someone with it fighting against us just has to run through the skeletons and kill the Harbingers without them being able to do a thing about it. If he betrayed the cult to do it, exelent, and there would be no problem. If he's using a different character to do it... it's severe powergaming and metagaming. Either way, we're taking this into account and figuring out what to do. Oh, about your post, I asked for all OOC post to be removed... seems yours was, but the response to yours wasn't... In a few days or hours or something I will ask for these responces to be removed as well, please next time use forum pm's and discuss these things with the leaders. As said in the post, it's me, gwonam, and Kyght.))

What about transmutation and enchanting? It doesn't fall to the 3rd one.

All effects are mostly phycological, and can be just believed without being true. Example is real life ones, sometimes it just works without there being an explanation. Enchanting can remove impurities from gems as far as I know, and since it respects the mechanical standard, you're good to go. Just remember, is it's true or not, up for the players. It might work on some, and on others wouldn't. If a character wouldn't believe it, it probably wouldn't work, the mind is just that powerful. [Edit] I sugest you place this lore on roleplay section and remove the 'true' validity of it. Creating a belief instead of a true magic is far more interesting.

Oh he did say the 30 mins ss rule. Then I don't agree. I would agree with the raise of 30 min rule in death with the one killing and the one dying coming to a concensous. This means no "No I want to return in 30 mins no matter what you say". I mean something of the kind of "So we killed you because you were trying to kill others, I think you should not come back for 2 days.", and of course the "We killed you because we're dicks and don't like you IC, so don't return in a week" is entire different. On the other hand that is pretty hard to diferenciate and control... I think it would be like... for reasons... Kill for killing, in anger, in the spur of the moment, in self defense, etc, it would be the 30 min rule. Killing for other reasons, like removing defenses in town, or removing the person from their house for a while so that other things could be done, and killing because the character is a criminal, then it would be more than 30 mins, and depending on what the reason is, up to a week or so. Of course the villains would not really have much reasons to kill for more than a few hours, unless to create problems in the town by targeting high ranked officers, which would be assassinations. Rp reasons for it? Inate fear of the location after dying in it.

30 minutes rule he is talking about... is the rule that you can't return to the place you died for 30 mins... not the jail time thing... (At least that is what I think)

A torn part of the flyers is sent to the base of the Scions by bird, with it a letter is written. "I would like to see how true you hold those words. I was the Judge of the Scourge, a betrayer now, so I hold large amounts of information on the scourge deals. Yet... I am hunted, most likely. I gave chance for the clerics to dispose permanently of one of the Harbingers, and aided in their confrontation. I am willing to help those that wish to end the Harbinger and the Scourge, but the hardest part of this all, will be to gather my trust. I have no trust in anyone at this moment, and getting it will be no easy task. I await to see what you do to gain my trust. To respond to me simple leave a public note around the Malinor area, outside the towns. The Judge"

Anything that changes someone's character permanently isn't allowed without concent as far as I know. sorry if this is a little offtopic. I normally stop playing a character for a while if the death is meaningful.

MC NAME: Jistuma CHARACTER NAME: There is no way I will give my name. WHY WOULD YOU LIKE TO JOIN? Information has saved me many times before, I know how valuable it is. I am not really interested in minas, more on the information that being in the organization might provide me. The information I hold is extremelly valuable as well, and the ways I gather it suficient. ((Like the idea of not using OOC means for nothing, like the cypher things, like everything about the idea, hope you take it to the end)) WHAT PROFESSION WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE? Gathered and cypher. ARE YOU WILLING TO GET YOUR HANDS DIRTY OR TO STEAL TO RECIEVE INFORMATION? Only if the information is worthy of it. DO YOU HAVE A VA? (Y/N) IF SO, PLEASE PUT A LINK. I have it.

No, but the 2 archtypes thing still applies (mostly because of lore), and having too many magics would mean that most likely, your character wouldn't be very good with most of them.

Following the rules of the pvp default and magic being the same power as a warrior... Not that I know of... Probably up to the GM and the rp made, but most likely not since from what I remember there are no alterationists that would ever enchant a weapon, but who knows. Non canon means the lore has not been made official to the server, and it's just magic that obeys the mechanical standard. Could you explain "follow the flow"?

Not at the moment

I believe the Errata should answer these questions, sorry for the problems. For the first question Alteration has no pre-requisits for being able to be learnt, and as such it is like the rest of the arcane magic (except runesmithing) For the second question that would be a good progression with magic. Starting with less control and improving it with time and training.

Errata: Q: Can I create a character that already knows magic? A: No character that already knows magic can be created, with exception of ET event characters. You can indeed create a character that already knows magic, so long as the magic they learn does not have any IC or OOC restrictions preventing them from doing so. This means that of all the magics, you can create a character that knows a new magic that the player created, or Arcana magic (with runesmithing exception), and priest healing. Q: Can my character be born able to use magic? A: No. Every character is able to learn magic, but no character can be born already knowing how to use it. If you wish to create a magic that is inborn, you will need to get it accepted beforehand. Q: Does my character have to learn how to use magic? A: Yes, your character can not acquire the knowledge and skill to perform magic on the spot, that is considered metagaming and powergaming. Your character will have to slowly learn from a teacher, or on his own. No, but you still have to follow the rules of no metagaming and powergaming. If the magic that your character would have requires knowledge that he would not have, that would be considered metagaming. And learning how to cast magic at the moment that the character is in danger would be considered powergaming. It is advised your character slowly learn from a teacher, or on his own with time, to prevent breaking the rules. Q: Can I be a powerful mage and a powerful warrior at the same time? A: No, magic has a corrupting effect on the mage. While you may use a sword and armor to signify the use of magic in PVP, in roleplay your character gets physically weaker as he learns more magic. No, although you can still be a mage and warrior at the same time, so long as you aren't extremely proficient at both. This is because magic and physical combat are inversely related, meaning that as you become more powerful in one you become weaker in the other. - http://www.lordofthecraft.net/topic/98083-the-corruption-of-magic/?hl=magic- http://www.lordofthe...magic/?hl=magic Q: Can I roleplay combat magic? A: Yes, but be warned, your skill in magic will be up subjected to your skill in roleplaying, and the time your character has been training it. Also remember, that while you may be more powerful, weaker than another in a roleplay fight, in pvp you are always the same as your opponents (subjected to OOC skill in PVP, and armor/weapon). Q: Can I use Air Evocation to fly? A: No.

If the magic they create don't break cannon lore, nor are extremely similar to other magic, nor is magic made to go around IC restrictions that stop the requirements to get another magic, they do not need lore. Of course it can't also be OP or create/do seemingly impossible things (like time travel)

The same as before. Those are far more easily learnt than the others. [edit] Also, you would have a lot more freedom with it.

To all those saying this goes against the magic changes please tell me which answers do so, and I will explain them. As for the fact that you have to be taught, it's how it is, the magic change was to allow everyone to easily learn magic, not turn themselves into mages in a second, that is considered powergaming and metagaming. The character creation I asked Geo and he did confirm that no player can create characters that already know magic. As for how you get the character thought, that's up for the player, you have many ways to have your character learn.

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With the new rules on magic and the soon to be removed magic section, magic has somewhat became a part of the server that anyone can have access to. Even so, there is still lore to be followed and rules to not break. For any questions on how to roleplay magic, on what magic is not allowed, on what lore on existing magic there is, and about what you can't do, you may ask in this thread. Be sure to check the Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ's) before posting your question. FAQ's: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Q: Can I create a character that already knows magic? A: You can not create a character that already knows magic, all characters that know magic have to learn it, be it by themselves or with a teacher.. Q: What are the current canon lore accepted magic types? A: Arcane magic (Transfiguration, Runesmithing, Bardmancy, Beardmancy, Telekinesis, Void Translocation, Illusion, Mind magic, Cognitism, Evocation, Conjuration.), Cleric magic (Priest healing, War clerics), Shamans (Witch Doctor, Elementalists, Lutauman, Far Seer), Druid magic, Monk magic, Dark magic (Necromancy, Frost Witch magic, Contract magic, Soul Puppetry, Shade, Drakaar's Boon), Fi’hiiran’tanya magic (anti-magic), Muun’Trivazja magic (kha magic), Ascended magic. Q: What characters can learn magic? A: Any sentient character has the means to learn magic, this means humans, elves, orcs, dwarves, khas, and any mix of them. This means no animal character may ever learn how to perform magic. Q: What magics can my character learn? A: All of them, yet some magics have in character restrictions on them that require you to go through the necessary steps to acquire it. Q: Can my character be born able to use magic? A: Every character is able to learn magic, but no character can be born already knowing how to use it. If you wish to create a magic that is inborn, you will need to get it accepted beforehand. Q: Does my character have to learn how to use magic? A: Yes, your character has to learn magic, either by a teacher, or through the process of self teaching. Q: Can I invent my own magic? A: You can not, since the end of Mechanical Standard, no longer can you do magic that does not follow lore. Q: Can I be a powerful mage and a powerful warrior at the same time? A: No, although you can still be a mage and warrior at the same time, so long as you aren't extremely proficient at both. This is because magic and physical combat are inversely related, meaning that as you become more powerful in one you become weaker in the other. - http://www.lordofthecraft.net/topic/98083-the-corruption-of-magic/?hl=magic Q: Can I store mana for later use? A: Mana that is stored in such things as gems and obelisks can only be used for the enchantment it is connected to. It can not be readquired by the mage for their use, as mana only links to the one person that creates it, and after leaving the body can not return. - http://www.lordofthecraft.net/topic/98440-magical-mistakes-the-mana-battery/?hl=magic Q: Can I control the elements of the world with Evocation? A: No, evocation is the temporary creation of elements by use of the void. To control the natural elements, you have to learn Elementalism, which is part of Shamanism. Yet remember that new magics can be created. Q: Can I learn shamanism without being an orc? A: Yes, but you have to be taught, which means you probably have to be accepted into the orc culture. Q: Can I learn Necromancy without a teacher? A: You can not. Necromancy uses the lifeforce of the caster, and while learning they can not drain lifeforce from others. This means that if you do not have a teacher to give you lifeforce, you will die while learning it. Q: Can I roleplay combat magic? A: Yes, but be warned, your skill in magic will be up subjected to your skill in roleplaying. Also remember, that while you may be more powerful, weaker than another in a roleplay fight, in pvp you are always the same as your opponents (subjected to OOC skill in PVP, and armor/weapon). Q: Can I have both clerical magic and Arcane magic? A: No, even the creator clerics can no longer perform both types of magic. They are bound by the ‘no-arcane’ rules of clerical and their patron is Tahariae, yet the character may not know of this. Q: Can I use Air Evocation to send others flying? A: Yes, but you have no control over what happens, it’s like an explosion. Q: Can I fly with use of magic? A: No. Q: What are the limitations about the number of magics my character can do? A: There are no limitations on how many magics your character can do, but some of the magics by lore forbide the learning of other magics. Also remember that if your character can do a lot of magics, he will not be very proficient in them as if he would in only do one or two. Q: Can children learn magic? A: Children would not be able to control their powers as such a young age. A character would have to be 15 years old for a safe use of magic. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- More faqs will be added as questions are asked. Some answers changed on 29/11/2013. A question added on 2/01/2014 Added the restriction on transmutation to some questions on 19/01/2014 Updated answer to question concerning new magics on 29/03/2014. Updated answer to question concerning arcane magic and Priest healing. Updated answer to question concerning storing of mana. 30/06/2014 Updated answers to add Bardmancy and Transfiguration as open magics. 11/07/2014 Added question concerning children learnin magic. 21/07/2014 Updated answer to roleplaying new magics 26/12/2014 Updated answers that have to do with learning magic 16/03/2014

Why do you want to join? (IC Answer Please!): "You fools intrigue me, how my old puppets have so easily found this new master. I wish to meet with him. I was informed by a masked man others refereed to him as the Judge that I would be given power beyond my dreams. I've seen such power but my dreams reach higher then that. My past is enough for anyone to desire me, what about you though why should I join this group? *The Judge grabs the paper and studies it as he moves inside his study. His expression concealed by his mask as he reads the response over and over again.* "This one will bring us trouble, we shall have to keep our eyes on her. Yet her knowledge and powers are greater than most of those who join us. We shall see what she brings to us." *The Judge places down the paper once more, and goes prepare the confirmation of loyalty.* Accepted

((Would this event be... overplacing itself over the current event in the same exact region? Example, did you remove the leaves from the 'eldertrees' because of our event or yours?))

((Is this aiding progressing the event that is happening or another thing? I know I asked Greene and Ever to remove some of the leaves of the elder trees, if you are helping us as well, thank you very much.)) *Through Luminaire the Masked Judge walks. Keeping his back straight and his hands behind his back, the mask tilts upwards into the falling brown and corrupted leaves of the Elder trees. His expression hidden, what could it be of? Anger? Fullfilment? Regreet? Disapointment? Maybe all...*

Would love for something like this to happen... Even if in rp it would make no sense considering there would be nations at war with each other joining in... And the fact that there is no way to build siege equipment... and that we should have had already destroyed that camp... Either way, even with all those things, BRING IT ON! I would welcome it and will love if Viper allows it.