Punished_Pup

Both sides opted to ignore each other around the end of conflict after PvP was turned off, I would say the quality of Roleplay unironically degraded imo when PvP/conflict was turned off. As it essentially became passive aggressive petty remarks to each other, as there was going to be zero consequence to bad mouthing one another since PvP and villainy RP was disallowed, and with no real way of 'proving' who controlled the city. From our point of view, we had both infiltrated the government and have easily battered Hnor in conflict, taking a city these ways should be legitimate avenues, same as getting voted into power, they have different and interesting ways they can branch. I think for the whole PvP that was on for 3-4 days, rest of the conflict it was turned off. We do have people they have RPed and are willing to RP but as I mentioned above, not many people are willing to engage when it has degraded into pettiness. Something I will say, at least from my perspective on an OOC level, the goal isn't to obliterate Hnor, and we have tried offered a fair compromise to the mod admin so that way old Hnorian folk who don't enjoy what is provided either OOCly or IRPly are left high and dry. Ultimately as well, it can lead to interesting conflicts down the line and development of persona's, if I was on Hnor's side I would be down for some refugee type RP and attempt to rebuild what was left with the remnants of old Hnor as it has an amazing story there that can be told. 

Though frankly, the only point I don't agree with is the 'fad' part, I honestly don't believe we are, we had almost 30 players on today RPing in the tavern, and as I mentioned, I know from talking with people more are bound to follow suit if we were to gain control of the city. But the other part about it being a 'fad' I don't like is I think unironically forcing players to build long lasting stable groups vastly limits the potential of newer groups forming, which in turn limits people's enjoyment on the server, much rather spent three-four months doing something I enjoy than grinding a year for something I don't really enjoy because it is the closest thing I can get to what I wanna do, granted in this case, since this is a fight over a Nation I can understand that it is different, but ultimately if our group is a fad, you can easily just regain control of the city, and you have a fun new bit of history to teach IRP, warning future generations of 'Aheral the dangers of trying to take Hnor by force and how it leads to the death of the Nation.  

Your talking point about the Maheral is something that should be debated more IRPly, though I get that you don't want to hand your 'culture' off to someone you don't know, however, I think remaining unchanging and trying to keep Haelun'or 'protected' from changes to the status quo has led to this entire conflict. My main reason for bringing up the whole Maheral thing was because I just find it annoying we get called anti-RP when I feel like such an important cultural position being voted on is being done behind close doors is frankly anti-RP and limits the possible RP, what if I want to manipulate or bribe someone into voting for a certain individual? What if I just wanted to inform the Malauriran on information I've discovered on a certain character to ensure that the 'correct' Maheral got voted in rather than an 'impure' one? It being done entirely through Discord defeats the point of being on a RP server, and causes people getting frustrated with a government system than seems to be reliant more on OOC friendships rather than anything done IRPly and has had a serve affect upon Haelun'or's ability to retain players as a result of this, as a newer player, it feels unfair and pointless to RP in any place where they will get zero progress because they're not friends with older players, only due to circumstance of them being newer to the community at large.

Speaking of OOC comments, I really was delighted to see an ex-sohaer call me mentally ill to someone in DMs over LotC, along with remarks to two others, really don't understand why, considering when it was brought up I didn't say anything bad. I will admit that I have complained somewhat about Haelun'or OOCly, but it isn't because I wanted to see the Nation destroyed, my complaints are mainly in hopes that they might be listened to and the Nation can change for the better, and I am not the only one who has felt the same. Keep in mind I returned to Haelun'or sometime in October I think, with the active OOC intentions to help build it up, but realized I was going to get little head way when Iverach basically told me his plan was to abandon the new players in favor of trying to get old players to return, hence why I joined Ivarielle's movement when it popped up. Even still with no obligation to do this, I asked Cookiie if they wanted me to get them a clean copy of the Hnor Island, even though I'd been with Ivarielle since day one and haven't made that fact hidden both IRP and OOCly. For your final point, I've unfortunately spent 2 days since last week for this conflict so I have been actively engaging it. Ultimately, Haelun'or had four-five months to prepare for this entire conflict, frankly mistakes were made on part of the 'old group' that remained, and as a result there has to be consequences if you opt to ignore a threat that made itself publicly known for months. 

Regardless of my respect or lack of respect of the Hnor culture. My issue comes from how parts of this culture more or less transcend into OOC politcing. It is entirely unfun to find out this important part of the culture quite literally is done behind close doors on Discord. The only reason I feel like I am 'inciting' OOC drama is because there is literally imo no other way to deal with this kind of stuff, how am I or anyone else meant to IRPly deal with anything that goes outside the server? You simply can't. Really don't know what else to say.

@L0rdLawyerI think I'm just kinda exhausted with some of the IRP and OOC stuff going on, genuinely don't know what the mod admin was thinking of sticking two player bases in the same location that are entirely aversed against each other and not allowing conflict to naturally break out.

@bickandoRefering to what I said in another post, I was told that these votes happened over Discord.

These are the past Maherals who apparently voted on the Braxus being Maheral, they ultimately as a result control how Haelun'or might develop and who gets to progress, what is the IRP reasoning for half of these people to have voted for Braxus when none of them IRPly should know what is going on because they don't log on, how do they even vote when they don't even log on to vote IRP. If they want to affect the server IRP, then they should at the very least log in and RP on a RP server. 

One person should mean months of prior RP get invalidated who wasn't even apart of it from the beginning? Perhaps I should point out how I had the Maheral voting system explained to me a bunch of old Haelun'orian players who were Maheral vote on who should be the present Maheral over Discord.  If we wanna call out one player for OOC plotting then I think we should look to the bigger problem of how OOCly ran Hnor is and how it was affecting players both IRPly and OOCly with their satisfaction of the RP they were getting, idk what else to say. Should note, not everyone was aware that Kiwi was involved, as it was kept hush hush, to prevent meta gaming that already happened to our side, so it wasn't exactly like we 'knew'.

idk, I think staff should just allow meaningful consequence. They want a story to be told, but are too afraid to let IRP mistakes have IRP results, one of the things I wanted to do when I returned to Hnor was build up a military force, but due to just how absent the leader at the time was and how some things played out, I opted not to and have my character explore world and discover what they could until their was a ripe time to return to Hnor. People constantly want things to go their way but as I remember reading in the old Daggerfall manual awhile back, basically accept the consequences instead of attempting to abuse the save system to get the 'perfect run', there is an epic story here to be had, but it feels stifled by OOC. And frankly I feel in the long run is just going to wear both communities out.

I can't believe literal Minecraft Roleplay Identity Theft happened. Holy ****.

Elden Ring magic????

What would Elden Ring get me?

I think more 'wild' nature Druid stuff would be pog.