Community Meeting #2 | Regions

[Sky 0]

Greetings members of Lord of the Craft,

 

Here is an official announcement from myself on behalf of the staff team in saying, we hear your qualms with professions, regions and personas. Though each deserve their own topic as they are large and there are many opinions in each, so lets start with regions.

 

I am announcing another community meeting, the topic is purely on regions and it will be hosted on the Lord of the Craft TeamSpeak, Friday the 17th of April at 7pm EST and I hope to see a lot of people there, the official rules is that when you enter the channel and want to speak, simply poke myself (named: #Sky) and you will be put on a queue, do not keep poking me as I will go to the last poke given. 

 

For those of you that feel they cannot show up, wishing for their voices heard then please use this thread here to raise your concerns and inbetween people's turns during the meeting I will act as your voice and bring up the post that you have made, it's not the best solution but it's better than your word not being heard. 

 

I am aware that many threads have been made, though I would like to ask that instead of simply linking your thread that you give a quick summary of the thread as a post and then link the thread to get the full story, but if you intend to show up do not feel the need to do so as you can easily bring it up as it becomes your turn.

 

Thank you for reading, and I hope to see as many of you there!

[Overland 349]

9AM on a school day for me :(

(First)

[mmat 7460]

I would expect this to purely be a final confirmation and brainstorming of changes being made, rather than just general 'feedback'. It is quite literally almost 100% of the community that wants this adjusted, the majority of which want Nexus removed.

[Draeris 3124]

There is a lot of controversy surrounding this topic, but removing/keeping the plugin is just a short-term solution.

 

Nexus regions give the individual the ability to preserve their region, their RP, etc. On the other hand it gives them OOC leverage to avoid RP consequences that their actions brought them. Instead of undertaking a risky reform by poking the already unstable system, we maybe should implement some understanding and common sense to it.

 

Oren should have the ability as an imperialistic superpower to practice the strength they obtained through valid RP and militarism, there shouldn't be OOC restrictions on their conquest during for example the Uruguan-Oren wars in the Fringe and now in Athera. If there is a valid reason to attack conquer lands from a nation, they damn well have the right to do so. Minor communities with a special snowflake attitude should not have the ability to stand up to nations like Oren just because they want to have silly hocus pocus in their rosy tavern.

 

On the other hand, I have witnessed a mindset that is quite troubling. 'Just vassalize under Oren' , 'Just be under them!'. As someone in the government of the Northern Commonwealth that is a vassal to Oren I can say, it is not bad nor as oppressive as people tend to describe it. However, I can understand that people want sovereignty and their own perhaps outlawed practices. I personally think that Greek wood-elves being under the Dwarves or the expectation that the elves abandon their cultural RP for Oren is not that considerate for major communities. The inability for a tavern owner to worship Iblees is one thing, but considering that all major communities should just be vassals to be left alone is rather unrealistic. If let's say, an Elven settlement in the south is not on former Orenian territory, does not show any imperialistic aspirations nor aggressive diplomacy, why should they be harmed?

 

The point is, we need to have a proper understanding of what a good balance is for us. Allow nations like Oren to rightfully conquer and eliminate those that, with all due respect, tend to scream rather loud in RP only to hide behind OOC restrictions afterwards. But also give a chance to those without military superiority or who just want something different to be left alone. Ideally, this shouldn't be done through rules and restrictions. But through mutual understanding and regulation based on common sense. I understand that I may be wrong, but that is my genuine few on this issue.

[_Stigwig 1510]

Not a very euro-friendly time for a school day, but I hope it goes well.

[argonian 14254]

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The thing is, people think that Oren will warclaim their tiny little village because we're all item-hungry PVP defaulters who like nothing better than to cause misery. The reality is that we don't want to conquer your little village. Unless you cause trouble in Oren and give us reason to attack, we probably won't. We had forced conquest on the server before and it was fine. We certainly didn't warclaim Cyndikate's little cottage just because we're item-hungry TROLLS.

[christian2142 79]

I would expect this to purely be a final confirmation and brainstorming of changes being made, rather than just general 'feedback'. It is quite literally almost 100% of the community that wants this adjusted, the majority of which want Nexus removed.

I do hope this isn't the case. I wouldn't like to see an ultimatum just yet, but rather let people have their final word on the matter before a decision is actually made. I myself have a lot to say and didn't know such a movement was even happening until now.

[Draeris 3124]

The thing is, people think that Oren will warclaim their tiny little village because we're all item-hungry PVP defaulters who like nothing better than to cause misery. The reality is that we don't want to conquer your little village. Unless you cause trouble in Oren and give us reason to attack, we probably won't. We had forced conquest on the server before and it was fine. We certainly didn't warclaim Cyndikate's little cottage just because we're item-hungry TROLLS.

 

Yes. It is true that some people outside of the Orenian hemisphere tend to view us as greedy problem-children with a superiority-complex that like clicking. However, OOC is like other nations very strong in Oren. The danger is, Oren is extremely powerful due to its militarism and loyal community. If the leader of a community is disliked by a leader for perhaps a valid reason OOCly, there is nothing that is stopping Oren from harming his community. To some people this is very scary and that should be understandable. The very lack of understanding that comes from powerful communities like Oren is the very reason why hateclubs turn so popular from time to time.

 

If we take the north as an example here. After the Northshow Doctrine a commonwealth was formed to secure the Orenian dominion. Whatever the RP reason, it went rather dandy. Up until there were communities that didn't want to join us but did want to be friendly with us. It was decided that these should either join or die. This attitude resulted into many communities leaving the north. Although most weren't of significance, some unique ideas did go to waste. Only two settlements were actual threats and those were dealt with, no problem, good RP! But then you had minor settlements that had to be vanished because they were "Former Seventis". or "edgies". Yes they were pretentious OOCly which gave the leadership a good reason to dislike them, yet we wrecked their entire community RPly. As I said in my first post, understanding and balance. Those who fucked up in RP, were removed in RP. Those who act stupid OOCly but give no reason to be harmed in RP, why bother?

[Rethai 163]

I  am unsure as to why we are doing this on a week day. Most of the community based is still in school / Activities away from MC or their computer. Why don't we move it to a Saturday or Sunday when more people can attend because after all, isn't that what this meeting goal is? To have as many players as possible attend to give their piece of mind and spread a voice for their cause?

[Sky 0]

I  am unsure as to why we are doing this on a week day. Most of the community based is still in school / Activities away from MC or their computer. Why don't we move it to a Saturday or Sunday when more people can attend because after all, isn't that what this meeting goal is? To have as many players as possible attend to give their piece of mind and spread a voice for their cause?

 

This weekend is too early, next weekend is filled with other things within the staff team that wont be able to be rescheduled, so that would mean it happening in two weeks from now. Last time it was fine.

[xDK 1205]

What is 7pm EST in human time?

[Tirenas 677]

Could this be on Thursday or Friday instead?

[Cyndikate 2303]

Why do we need another TS meeting when it's been made clear for 6 months that people want it gone.

How about flat out removing?

[Parkins 550]

I would expect this to purely be a final confirmation and brainstorming of changes being made, rather than just general 'feedback'. It is quite literally almost 100% of the community that wants this adjusted, the majority of which want Nexus removed.

[Aislin 4354]

Do it tomorrow