Will (TauFirewarrior) 2466 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Wulfgar is handed a copy of the proposed treaty by his great uncle Arcane and upon reading it, immediately begins to crumple it in the palm of his hands. He looks towards the Lords, an angry expression crossing his face. "T'ey wish tu tak' t'e toitle ov t'e Grand Kingdom? Wun our ancestors 'ave fought n' doied fer since weh ventured tu t'ese lands... Nay, weh will naught stand fer t'at, simpleh becus' ov t'e actions ov a few, 'o's names weh still duh nawt truleh know. Wut peace dus' t'at brin' us tu? Mah kin, duh nawt forsake ye 'onour fer t'e wishes ov ah blood crazed tyrant. Weh may stroive fer peace but let us nawt spit upon t'e memorehs ov our ancestors tu reach it." Remembers how the dwarves forced Oren to drop the name Holy Oren Empire Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zezimus 1523 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Remembers how the dwarves forced Oren to drop the name Holy Oren Empire ((Just to clarify what I mean here. The preffix 'Grand' in Grand Kingdom of Urguan has no link to whether or not the Kingdom is above other Kingdoms. It was an honourary title brought in when Throrik was made Grand King for a second time and effectively just refers to the beginning of reunification and a change from the former titles of First, Second and Third Kingdoms of Urguan, etc. What the dwarves asked Oren to give up was its Empire. What Oren is effectively asking the dwarves to give up in this regard however is the honour of their ancestors, two very different things. My character would be heavily opposed to this as Thorik was of the same clan as he.)) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will (TauFirewarrior) 2466 Share Posted January 23, 2014 ((Just to clarify what I mean here. The suffix 'Grand' in Grand Kingdom of Urguan has no link to whether or not the Kingdom is above other Kingdoms. It was an honourary title brought in when Throrik was made Grand King for a second time and effectively just refers to the beginning of reunification and a change from the former titles of First, Second and Third Kingdoms of Urguan, etc. What the dwarves asked Oren to give up was its Empire. What Oren is effectively asking the dwarves to give up in this regard however is the honour of their ancestors, two very different things. My character would be heavily opposed to this as Thorik was of the same clan as he.)) (( I know but to the humans the 'Empire' Title was very important it was both of religious and historic importance marking the reunification of Humanity. The Humans are still sore over it IC'ly so I wouldn't expect much sympathy )) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serf 647 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Thoak is at least happy that peace is coming along. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zezimus 1523 Share Posted January 23, 2014 (( I know but to the humans the 'Empire' Title was very important it was both of religious and historic importance marking the reunification of Humanity. The Humans are still sore over it IC'ly so I wouldn't expect much sympathy )) ((Fair enough then, both titles have similar meaning to either race. Nonetheless it's unlikely a dwarf would ever willingly give up his clan's honour. For a Lord to accept it would be considered a direct insult to his clan's ancestors which is what my character was trying to say.)) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris1612 1780 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Amuel Sano smiles quietly to himself, and stops eavesdropping on the King. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukejes 55 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Kwint finds the change of the "Grand" title perfectly acceptable. He counts the minas on the counter of his bar and mutters, "Per'aps teh kingdom will be more grand if it's name is bit more 'umble, eh?" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galendar 631 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Alexander looks over the terms, shaking his head a few times. "I've got an idea..." He says with a quiet lick of his lips, going to find the King. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gam 386 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Gamle Irongut hears of the peace terms and grins. "Guud t' see peace is comin' along... 'Ope dey can work sumfin' out, aye." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daisy 9735 Share Posted January 23, 2014 ((imo, taking out the "Grand" would be like forcing you guys to take out the "Holy". Also, we aren't really an empire, in fact being empirical goes directly against our constitution. The largest thing under us is the town of Barbek)) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will (TauFirewarrior) 2466 Share Posted January 23, 2014 ((imo, taking out the "Grand" would be like forcing you guys to take out the "Holy". Also, we aren't really an empire, in fact being empirical goes directly against our constitution. The largest thing under us is the town of Barbek)) (( I guess you could compare it with forcing Oren to drop the Empire. Or perhaps compare it with planning to install a half elf King to rule over humanity which is a strict taboo which would have taken out the "Holy" of the Kingdom name )) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castus 71 Share Posted January 23, 2014 ((When a Kingdom aims to conquer or rule over others, it becomes an empire. Over the last 6 months, the Grand Kingdom of Urguan has ruled over the Kingdoms of Adunia, Savoie, Ruska, Oren, Galahar, and the Ironsail Republic. The Grand "Kingdom" of Urguan has taken more imperialistic action than the Holy Oren Empire ever had, and this trend has continued to the modern day with the recent attempt on Oren and her allies, although with markedly less dwarven success. The removal of "Grand" is necessary both to humble in reflection of recent actions, and to end an era of unhealthy dwarven imperialism which has led to a world war on your race. If you cannot humble yourselves and take penitence for your actions, perhaps we have sought peace too soon.)) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zezimus 1523 Share Posted January 23, 2014 ((When a Kingdom aims to conquer or rule over others, it becomes an empire. Over the last 6 months, the Grand Kingdom of Urguan has ruled over the Kingdoms of Adunia, Savoie, Ruska, Oren, Galahar, and the Ironsail Republic. The Grand "Kingdom" of Urguan has taken more imperialistic action than the Holy Oren Empire ever had, and this trend has continued to the modern day with the recent attempt on Oren and her allies, although with markedly less dwarven success. The removal of "Grand" is necessary both to humble in reflection of recent actions, and to end an era of unhealthy dwarven imperialism which has led to a world war on your race. If you cannot humble yourselves and take penitence for your actions, perhaps we have sought peace too soon.)) ((Again, the prefix 'Grand' has nothing to do with Imperialism. In fact, you'd be doing more to insult the Grandaxes who neither supported the war when it started, nor have done anything else the dwarves are accused of such as having any connections to the scourge. Any holds who joined beneath the dwarves did so willingly and were eventually asked to give up their King titles. The only settlement the dwarves have ever had to take by force was the area upon which Kal'Ithrun now lies and even then, it was only to end a war they didn't begin. The dwarves ensured that Malinor, the Halflings and even Oren itself was left independent. To be honest though, this is a debate best left for RP.)) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lago 2572 Share Posted January 23, 2014 VI. Immediate deimperialization of the Grand Kingdom of Urguan. The prefix of Grand is to be removed from all legal documents as punishment for the great dishonor the lords of Urguan cast upon their race in allying with the servants of Setherian. "This term speaks from ignorance. Grand Kingdom comes from t'e title of Grandking. We might as well ask Heinrik t'e call 'is nation the Ngdom of Oren. If King Heinrik values rubbing dwarven faces in t'e dirt more than 'e values peace and continues t'e slander us with this shoite about Setherien, then ah recommend we deny 'is terms. When we 'ad Oren at our mercy, we did nae more than was necessary t'e undo t'e 'arm Oren did t'e the other nations. They gave back what they had forcefully taken from t'e Elves and 'alflings and stopped tryin' t'e forcefully take from t'e Orcs. Urguan didn't force Oren t'e drop t'e Imperial title, King William Horen III did that 'imself. And Oren took it back soon after, did it nae? We didnae make a mockery of Oren, or try to cripple it beyond recovery. We did nae try t'e take land from them that wasnae ours t'e take simply t'e deny it t'e others. We set t'e world right again, we made Oren offer t'e nations it subjugated their freedom, but we didnae piss on Oren while it was down. And t'e next time Oren finds itself with Urguan's blade at its neck, we'll remember this. What goes around comes around, humans. Ah hope in future yer learn t'e be more civil than t'e edgies." Again, the suffix 'Grand' has nothing to do with Imperialism ((Prefix. I added it to the title of the dwarven king in Aegis to make it different to the humans. Like the Elves having the High Princess and the Orcs the Rex. Without the Grand, it's the Kingdom of Urguan and the King of the Dwarves, which is a repeat of what Oren has. It's Grandking and Grand Kingdom specifically to make it different to Oren and the various Telemars of the world.)) The Grand "Kingdom" of Urguan has taken more imperialistic action than the Holy Oren Empire ever had, ((Total crap. Urguan accepted nations under its banner that wanted to be there to get away from HOE, which was aggressively taking over other nations to take land they did not need simply because they could. Gallmore, repeatedly raided by HOE for being there. Malinor was physically ripped in half and made such a mockery of that it never, ever recovered and produced a whole group of aggressively anti-conflict RPers. HOE forcibly annexed the other races with total disregard for the state of those race's RP. Every nation under the dwarven banner (Adunia, Erveyor, Salvus) wanted to be there. Given that two server exoduses and an OOC hatred that persists to this day resulted from HOE's constant attempts to humiliate Malinor IC... well, I'll let you do the maths. The Oren Empire's IC (and somewhat OOC) reputation as the bad guy amongst everyone who wasn't part of is throughly deserved. Don't you dare try and say the dwarves were worse. They're no saints, this war was an idiotic move and it was the dwarves who killed off the Haelunor playerbase, but they pale in comparison to what happened with the HOE. I looked up your join date. You weren't there, man. You weren't there. You've only seen the bright new Oren. You weren't there for what came before it.)) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lark 2227 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Lark thinks back to why the Dwarves joined in the first place and thinks that all the terms are acceptable except for the dropping of the Grand from the name. "Is bette' te' give merceh te' those whose 'eads are on te' groun' their arms broken an' shattered, then standin' blade raised an' redeh te' stroike. But te' dwarves mus' bow. that is te' payment fe' te' chaos they 'ave caused." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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