Proposed Amendment To The Articles

[Nitro 17]

Proposed Amendment

 

Remove Lord's duties, instead raise the power of the King's Council in regards to guilds, and give the Lord's collective power to vote or veto changes in Guilds, primarily approved by the King. 3/5 with King's Approval for a suggested change, 4/5 and Grand King to remove a King's Council.

 

The Prestige System

 

Prestige Ranking as suggested by Hiebe

 

 

 

 

“Recently” means within the last 30 Elven Days. Each member of your clan can only claim one italic achievement. If multiple members have the same achievement, they do not stack.

 

Favour of Urguan
Sovereign (+5): The current Grand King is of your clan.

Seat of Authority (+2): Your clan sits on the Lord’s Council.

Led Kingdom to Glory (+1): A Grand King was of your clan.

Dwarven Exemplar (+1): A clanmember attained the title of Paragon in death.

Clan Only In Name (-2): Your clan has four or fewer members.

 

Favour of Yemekar
Smithmaster (+2): Your clan contains the leader of the Smithing Guild.

Yemekar’s Pick (+2): Your clan contains Yemekar’s Pick.

Smiths (+1): Your clan contains a member of the Smithing Guild.

Workers (+1): Your clan contains a member of Yemekar’s Workforce.
Dor Higha (+1): You have an active clan golem.

Favour of Anbella
Community Builder (+2): A clanmember recently organised an event within the Kingdom.

Spectacle. (+1): Your clan organised an event within the Kingdom.

Diplomat (+1): A clanmember is an ambassador to another nation and has an embassy.
Welcoming (+2): Your clan contains a member who joined the server recently.

 

Favour of Belka
They Do Exist (+1): Your clan contains an active she-dwarf.

 

Favour of Dungrimm
Hammer of Urguan (+2): Your clan contains the Grand Marshal.
Legionaries (+1): Your clan has a member in the Dwarven Legion.

Defender of Urguan (+2): A member of your clan fought to defend the Kingdom in the last organised battle against another nation.

 

Brawlers (+2): Your clan organised or participated in the last dwarven tournament.
Dwarven Champion (+1): A clanmember won the last dwarven tournament.
Mortal Champion (+3): A clanmember won the last international tournament.

 

Dishonor (-2): A clan elder or clan father currently engages in banditry.

Agent of Discord (-3): A member of your clan provoked another nation to declare war in the last 30 days.

 

Favour of Grimdugan
Antikar Artifikar (+1): Your clan possesses a clan artifact.
Treasure Hunter (+1): Your clan retrieved an ancient dwarven artifact.
Hoarded Gold (+2): A clanmember who does not hold a government title has over 10,000 minas.

That Which Was Ours (-5): Your clan recently gave away dwarven secrets without the Lord’s Council’s permission.

 

Favour of Armakak

Purveyor In Chief (+2): Your clan contains the Grand Merchant.
Merchants (+1): Your clan contains a member of the Merchant’s Guild.
Guildmaster (+2): Your clan contains a member of a dwarven guild not listed.

Guildmembers (+1): Your clan contains a member of a dwarven guild not listed.

 

Favour of Ograhad
Loremaster (+2): Your clan contains the High Remembrancer.

Voice of the Brathmordakin (+2): Your clan contains the leader of the Clergy.
Lorekeeper (+1): Your clan contains a Remembrancer.
Hand of the Brathmordakin (+1): Your clan contains a member of the Clergy.
Emblem of Lineage (+2): You have a clan sigil.

Lineage Known (+1): Your clan has contributed their history to dwarven knowledge.

 

Unknown and Untested (-5): Your clan is under a month old.

 

Favour of Khorvad

Traitor (-100): Your clan is exiled.

Parole (-5): Your clan recently returned from exile.

Separatist (-5): Your clan is currently attempting to split off from the Kingdom.
Ex-Separatist (-1): Your clan recently held the Separatist “achievement.”
Insane (-5): Your clan father or a clan elder is ruled Stark Raving Mad.

Hazardously Insane (-5): A clan member in a position of government is deemed S.R.M.

 

Theodrik uses this one

 

 

[The suggested system above may have been out of favour with the Lord's Council, but apply it differently and perhaps a new system could be instated.]

 

The 5 Clan's with the most Prestige from the beginning of a Lord's Term to the end, earn themselves a right to hold a Grand Clan Position.

 

A Grand Clan

 

A Grand Clan is one of the top 5 clans that have proven themselves worthy of holding a seat on the Lord's Council by earning the most prestige points.

 

The Grand Clan much like the Lord's position will be a three month term, earned through prestige in the previous three month term. If a Grand Clan doesn't earn its spot in the top 5 prestige clans then it won't get the chance to hold a seat on the Lord's Council on the next term.

 

The Lord is nominated by the Clan Father of the said Clan . Each Clan Elder may run for Lord, including the Clan Father himself, however a Clan Father may not retain his position as a Clan Father if the said Clan Father wins the Election over the Elders running.

 

All citizens of Urguan may vote on Grand Clan's elections regardless of what clan they are in. They get to vote on every Grand Clan's Election

 

Lord's Term

 

A Lord's Term consists of three elven moths. On the start of the fourth month the election will begin, on which they may choose to re-run against their Kinsman to retain the position or step down and let an elder or Clan Father to run for the position.

 

If the Lord's clan fails to make the top 5 clan prestige by the end of their term, they may not re-run for the position.

 

At the start of a Lord's Term, the prestige system will begin to be recorded by the High Remembrancer

 

 

 

 

[Greener 687]

Odin shrugs at the idea and then thinks about him having to record the prestige and wonders if he can get a monkey to do that for him

[Hiebe 2493]

Hiebe likes this

[Lago 2572]

A strange scroll is lying on the Lord's Council's table.

 

“Recently” means within the last 30 Elven Days. Each member of your clan can only claim one italic achievement. If multiple members have the same achievement, they do not stack.

 

Favour of Urguan
Sovereign (+5): The current Grand King is of your clan.

Seat of Authority (+2): Your clan sits on the Lord’s Council.

Led Kingdom to Glory (+1): A Grand King was of your clan.

Dwarven Exemplar (+1): A clanmember attained the title of Paragon in death.

Clan Only In Name (-2): Your clan has four or fewer members.

 

Favour of Yemekar
Smithmaster (+2): Your clan contains the leader of the Smithing Guild.

Yemekar’s Pick (+2): Your clan contains Yemekar’s Pick.

Smiths (+1): Your clan contains a member of the Smithing Guild.

Workers (+1): Your clan contains a member of Yemekar’s Workforce.
Dor Higha (+1): You have an active clan golem.

Favour of Anbella
Community Builder (+2): A clanmember recently organised an event within the Kingdom.

Spectacle. (+1): Your clan organised an event within the Kingdom.

Diplomat (+1): A clanmember is an ambassador to another nation and has an embassy.
Welcoming (+2): Your clan contains a member who joined the server recently.

 

Favour of Belka
They Do Exist (+1): Your clan contains an active she-dwarf.

 

Favour of Dungrimm
Hammer of Urguan (+2): Your clan contains the Grand Marshal.
Legionaries (+1): Your clan has a member in the Dwarven Legion.

Defender of Urguan (+2): A member of your clan fought to defend the Kingdom in the last organised battle against another nation.

 

Brawlers (+2): Your clan organised or participated in the last dwarven tournament.
Dwarven Champion (+1): A clanmember won the last dwarven tournament.
Mortal Champion (+3): A clanmember won the last international tournament.

 

Dishonor (-2): A clan elder or clan father currently engages in banditry.

Agent of Discord (-3): A member of your clan provoked another nation to declare war in the last 30 days.

 

Favour of Grimdugan
Antikar Artifikar (+1): Your clan possesses a clan artifact.
Treasure Hunter (+1): Your clan retrieved an ancient dwarven artifact.
Hoarded Gold (+2): A clanmember who does not hold a government title has over 10,000 minas.

That Which Was Ours (-5): Your clan recently gave away dwarven secrets without the Lord’s Council’s permission.

 

Favour of Armakak

Purveyor In Chief (+2): Your clan contains the Grand Merchant.
Merchants (+1): Your clan contains a member of the Merchant’s Guild.
Guildmaster (+2): Your clan contains a member of a dwarven guild not listed.

Guildmembers (+1): Your clan contains a member of a dwarven guild not listed.

 

Favour of Ograhad
Loremaster (+2): Your clan contains the High Remembrancer.

Voice of the Brathmordakin (+2): Your clan contains the leader of the Clergy.
Lorekeeper (+1): Your clan contains a Remembrancer.
Hand of the Brathmordakin (+1): Your clan contains a member of the Clergy.
Emblem of Lineage (+2): You have a clan sigil.

Lineage Known (+1): Your clan has contributed their history to dwarven knowledge.

 

Unknown and Untested (-5): Your clan is under a month old.

 

Favour of Khorvad

Traitor (-100): Your clan is exiled.

Parole (-5): Your clan recently returned from exile.

Separatist (-5): Your clan is currently attempting to split off from the Kingdom.
Ex-Separatist (-1): Your clan recently held the Separatist “achievement.”
Insane (-5): Your clan father or a clan elder is ruled Stark Raving Mad.

Hazardously Insane (-5): A clan member in a position of government is deemed S.R.M.

[Nitro 17]

A strange scroll is lying on the Lord's Council's table.

 

“Recently” means within the last 30 Elven Days. Each member of your clan can only claim one italic achievement. If multiple members have the same achievement, they do not stack.

 

Favour of Urguan

Sovereign (+5): The current Grand King is of your clan.

Seat of Authority (+2): Your clan sits on the Lord’s Council.

Led Kingdom to Glory (+1): A Grand King was of your clan.

Dwarven Exemplar (+1): A clanmember attained the title of Paragon in death.

Clan Only In Name (-2): Your clan has four or fewer members.

 

Favour of Yemekar

Smithmaster (+2): Your clan contains the leader of the Smithing Guild.

Yemekar’s Pick (+2): Your clan contains Yemekar’s Pick.

Smiths (+1): Your clan contains a member of the Smithing Guild.

Workers (+1): Your clan contains a member of Yemekar’s Workforce.

Dor Higha (+1): You have an active clan golem.

Favour of Anbella

Community Builder (+2): A clanmember recently organised an event within the Kingdom.

Spectacle. (+1): Your clan organised an event within the Kingdom.

Diplomat (+1): A clanmember is an ambassador to another nation and has an embassy.

Welcoming (+2): Your clan contains a member who joined the server recently.

 

Favour of Belka

They Do Exist (+1): Your clan contains an active she-dwarf.

 

Favour of Dungrimm

Hammer of Urguan (+2): Your clan contains the Grand Marshal.

Legionaries (+1): Your clan has a member in the Dwarven Legion.

Defender of Urguan (+2): A member of your clan fought to defend the Kingdom in the last organised battle against another nation.

 

Brawlers (+2): Your clan organised or participated in the last dwarven tournament.

Dwarven Champion (+1): A clanmember won the last dwarven tournament.

Mortal Champion (+3): A clanmember won the last international tournament.

 

Dishonor (-2): A clan elder or clan father currently engages in banditry.

Agent of Discord (-3): A member of your clan provoked another nation to declare war in the last 30 days.

 

Favour of Grimdugan

Antikar Artifikar (+1): Your clan possesses a clan artifact.

Treasure Hunter (+1): Your clan retrieved an ancient dwarven artifact.

Hoarded Gold (+2): A clanmember who does not hold a government title has over 10,000 minas.

That Which Was Ours (-5): Your clan recently gave away dwarven secrets without the Lord’s Council’s permission.

 

Favour of Armakak

Purveyor In Chief (+2): Your clan contains the Grand Merchant.

Merchants (+1): Your clan contains a member of the Merchant’s Guild.

Guildmaster (+2): Your clan contains a member of a dwarven guild not listed.

Guildmembers (+1): Your clan contains a member of a dwarven guild not listed.

 

Favour of Ograhad

Loremaster (+2): Your clan contains the High Remembrancer.

Voice of the Brathmordakin (+2): Your clan contains the leader of the Clergy.

Lorekeeper (+1): Your clan contains a Remembrancer.

Hand of the Brathmordakin (+1): Your clan contains a member of the Clergy.

Emblem of Lineage (+2): You have a clan sigil.

Lineage Known (+1): Your clan has contributed their history to dwarven knowledge.

 

Unknown and Untested (-5): Your clan is under a month old.

 

Favour of Khorvad

Traitor (-100): Your clan is exiled.

Parole (-5): Your clan recently returned from exile.

Separatist (-5): Your clan is currently attempting to split off from the Kingdom.

Ex-Separatist (-1): Your clan recently held the Separatist “achievement.”

Insane (-5): Your clan father or a clan elder is ruled Stark Raving Mad.

Hazardously Insane (-5): A clan member in a position of government is deemed S.R.M.

 

 

Theodrik uses this one

[Fimlin 1997]

Fimlin Grandaxe speaks

 

((Accent gone for easy reading))

"I like the first few points, however the later ones I do not share like beliefs, back in Anthos we had very few choices when it came to lords, anyone can be a clan elder and get support of friends, maybe Somone more worthy of lord isn't a clan elder? You want Somone who can do a bad job or a good job?"

"It is for this reason we have the grand king decide the lords, for a king knows his people, look at Balek Irongut for example, he's a quiet lad, and many of us did not believe in him. But the king choose and we soon realized that Balek was fantastic at his job."

"We elect our king, who chooses the lords that will help him in his work to run the kingdom, it's not the people who need advisors but the King does."

"If you are unhappy with a lord, or his actions tell it to the council, if the people want a lord removed I'd surely support it, but I see no issue in this matter that needs an amendment, it's the people's duty, both lord an civilian to remove someone who is needed out, but if nobody complains or states the problem with valid reasoning and the like, the same old thing will drag on and on and on."

 

"However, I wholeheartedly agree with implementing the Clan Prestige system, I've supported it since the beginning."

 

Fimlin turns to the rest of the council

 

"What'cha say? shall we have a re-vote on the clan prestige?"

 

"And as for the stepping down as Clan Father, I'd like to remind you clans are not the kingdom, we try to integrate them and separate them from the kingdom, united in axe but separate in values, that's the quality of clans I desire to revive most. I have done both Lord and Clan Father as I should have in my opinion, I have found a way to have my duties to clan and kingdom combine and keep separate, and I greatly fear what would become of mine clan if i do step down, with all the plans I have to improve it's future."

[JVQ 1719]

 

Fimlin Grandaxe speaks

 

((Accent gone for easy reading))

"I like the first few points, however the later ones I do not share like beliefs, back in Anthos we had very few choices when it came to lords, anyone can be a clan elder and get support of friends, maybe Somone more worthy of lord isn't a clan elder? You want Somone who can do a bad job or a good job?"

"It is for this reason we have the grand king decide the lords, for a king knows his people, look at Balek Irongut for example, he's a quiet lad, and many of us did not believe in him. But the king choose and we soon realized that Balek was fantastic at his job."

 

Lord's could very much be friends with the King when they are appointed, this point is very contradictory.

 

 

 

 

"We elect our king, who chooses the lords that will help him in his work to run the kingdom, it's not the people who need advisors but the King does."

"If you are unhappy with a lord, or his actions tell it to the council, if the people want a lord removed I'd surely support it, but I see no issue in this matter that needs an amendment, it's the people's duty, both lord an civilian to remove someone who is needed out, but if nobody complains or states the problem with valid reasoning and the like, the same old thing will drag on and on and on."

 

It is refreshing to find someone with this stance Fimlin, but the problem is that you cannot overrule the rest of the Lords, and because they are friends they will find it hard to remove another and scale the balance of the Lord's council out of 

their favour.

 

"However, I wholeheartedly agree with implementing the Clan Prestige system, I've supported it since the beginning."

 

Fimlin turns to the rest of the council

 

"What'cha say? shall we have a re-vote on the clan prestige?"

 

"And as for the stepping down as Clan Father, I'd like to remind you clans are not the kingdom, we try to integrate them and separate them from the kingdom, united in axe but separate in values, that's the quality of clans I desire to revive most. I have done both Lord and Clan Father as I should have in my opinion, I have found a way to have my duties to clan and kingdom combine and keep separate, and I greatly fear what would become of mine clan if i do step down, with all the plans I have to improve it's future."

 

Clans are the Kingdom, without them Urguan would be five Lords sitting around in the throne room. If you believe you Clan is more important then dedicate yourself to it and step down from Lord, although you are one of the more competent Lords.

[Hiebe 2493]

Hiebe speaks,

Clans are the kingdom. If you ignore the clans you ignore the people.

(Dwaven society has always been clans and we have recently gone away from it and it shows how bad that is. People remember the asulon days of when clans had lots of power and they liked it. I have a system or plans to write up once home but **** guys, a small clan should not have as much or equal influence as a large one. )

[Fimlin 1997]

 

Fimlin Grandaxe speaks

 

((Accent gone for easy reading))

"I like the first few points, however the later ones I do not share like beliefs, back in Anthos we had very few choices when it came to lords, anyone can be a clan elder and get support of friends, maybe Somone more worthy of lord isn't a clan elder? You want Somone who can do a bad job or a good job?"

"It is for this reason we have the grand king decide the lords, for a king knows his people, look at Balek Irongut for example, he's a quiet lad, and many of us did not believe in him. But the king choose and we soon realized that Balek was fantastic at his job."

 

Lord's could very much be friends with the King when they are appointed, this point is very contradictory.

 

 

 

 

"We elect our king, who chooses the lords that will help him in his work to run the kingdom, it's not the people who need advisors but the King does."

"If you are unhappy with a lord, or his actions tell it to the council, if the people want a lord removed I'd surely support it, but I see no issue in this matter that needs an amendment, it's the people's duty, both lord an civilian to remove someone who is needed out, but if nobody complains or states the problem with valid reasoning and the like, the same old thing will drag on and on and on."

 

It is refreshing to find someone with this stance Fimlin, but the problem is that you cannot overrule the rest of the Lords, and because they are friends they will find it hard to remove another and scale the balance of the Lord's council out of 

their favour.

 

"However, I wholeheartedly agree with implementing the Clan Prestige system, I've supported it since the beginning."

 

Fimlin turns to the rest of the council

 

"What'cha say? shall we have a re-vote on the clan prestige?"

 

"And as for the stepping down as Clan Father, I'd like to remind you clans are not the kingdom, we try to integrate them and separate them from the kingdom, united in axe but separate in values, that's the quality of clans I desire to revive most. I have done both Lord and Clan Father as I should have in my opinion, I have found a way to have my duties to clan and kingdom combine and keep separate, and I greatly fear what would become of mine clan if i do step down, with all the plans I have to improve it's future."

 

Clans are the Kingdom, without them Urguan would be five Lords sitting around in the throne room. If you believe you Clan is more important then dedicate yourself to it and step down from Lord, although you are one of the more competent Lords.

The Lords chosen normally would be the friends of the king, however the lords also advise the king in the matter, though maybe there could be another law or amendment that maybe the clan council can veto the choosing of a certain lord.

 

The current Lords I'd say are not the greed-filled ones we had before, they have opinions but the majority would stand for their people's belief then themselves as of now. and if the clan council votes aye then its only 2/5 which is easier than 3/5.

 

That is not exactly what I meant, I meant that the Kingdom cannot control clans, which are basically large families, and families can never be fully controlled, a family's leader is it's own choice.

[JVQ 1719]

It's not about the Kingdom controlling Clans, it should be the Clans controlling the Kingdom

[Hiebe 2493]

Give clans something to gain and loose.

[Charles_Grimlie 1072]

The Grand King covets the documentation, the likes of Hiebe suggested to his father. Already having planned on adding such a system he now has the means to implement it to his series of article amendments.

[TEEbrown 348]

It's not about the Kingdom controlling Clans, it should be the Clans controlling the Kingdom

 

Agreed. It's a game of Beards.

[Aengoth 2890]

Aengoth pales at the mention of Lords Term

"I gotta du t'is fer t'ree elvens months..."

 

[]Accent Remove

"On a serious note however, ranking system I approve of. Lords Term should be shortened to say, two elven months, perhaps less. Grand Clan positions should be shortened down to the top three, meaning the best three clans are always entitled to holding a Lord's position however the other two positions allow for Lords of smaller clans to exist. Just think, with this sort of system we would never of had Nalro Greyhammer as a Lord. And finally... **** giving the Guilds power considering how they lack any sort of stability, rather give that power to the Clan Council and give the Clergy, Legion, and Inkbeard a seat amongst the Clan Council so that it better represents the people. This new formed bastard between the Clan Council and Kings Council would then represent the current, past, religious, and war like aspects of our nation." 

[JVQ 1719]

Aengoth pales at the mention of Lords Term

"I gotta du t'is fer t'ree elvens months..."

 

[]Accent Remove

"On a serious note however, ranking system I approve of. Lords Term should be shortened to say, two elven months, perhaps less. Grand Clan positions should be shortened down to the top three, meaning the best three clans are always entitled to holding a Lord's position however the other two positions allow for Lords of smaller clans to exist. Just think, with this sort of system we would never of had Nalro Greyhammer as a Lord. And finally... **** giving the Guilds power considering how they lack any sort of stability, rather give that power to the Clan Council and give the Clergy, Legion, and Inkbeard a seat amongst the Clan Council so that it better represents the people. This new formed bastard between the Clan Council and Kings Council would then represent the current, past, religious, and war like aspects of our nation." 

A Lord Term sits parallel to that of a Grand Clan term, not give the guilds more power but give them absolute jurisdiction over their guild, with a lord having to have an extensive vote in order to change/remove. I like the bastard council idea though