Stop This Please, Start Enforcing Permadeath

[MamaBearJade 2090]

It's mostly about consistency. If someone breaks the law and isn't found out until years later, that person will still go to jail. Just like if someone hacks on this server and isn't found out till later. Just because time has passed doesn't make it any less relevant, and it makes sense that we need to come to terms with what the policy is regarding PK of Harbs. 

 

I think final decision should be Kai's.

he was told he could still play haadi and he has not caused any issues. I see no issue why you need to shame someone for being told what they could do? Seems counter productive.

[Goldrim 1422]

I want to take this opportunity to congratulate every member of our server for actively trying to improve the roleplay, but also specifically Goldrim for above statement.

 

What I'm saying is if it won't have OOC consequences then it will have IC consequences, that concept might be a little challenging for you to understand.

[Space 2335]

What I'm saying is if it won't have OOC consequences then it will have IC consequences, that concept might be a little challenging for you to understand.

 

That's metagamingish, no?

 

To a degree, I guess. You're taking an OOC thing and using it to determine how you will roleplay with someone. Which isn't inherently  metagaming, but in this situation it is, I think. Unless you play a character that knows him and would respond like this.

 

I think this thread has made it fairly clear that nobody was forced to PK their character. EDIT: In this situation. OFC people have been forced to PK. Mostly stupidly.

 

Oh **** man, person attacks, I can't respond anymore!

[Lago 2572]

I think this thread has made it fairly clear that nobody was forced to PK their character.

People have been forced to PK characters against their will for most of the history of the server.

 

We weren't "Given an out", we were told that as second-gen or last-week Harbingers that we didn't need to PK since we were just being drafted to flesh out the army for the end event. We're not cop-outs, we're going by what GM's/Admins/whatevers told us when we joined. This isn't the fault of the players.

 

Anyways, the whole "PK-negation/reversal" argument is a sham since we never PK'd in the first place to reverse it. 

Then look at it this way.

 

The initial design of the 3.0 Antagonist had the minions die with their leader a la Undead. This was changed. Why? (<<<not a rhetorical question)

[Neri 3590]

People have been forced to PK characters against their will for most of the history of the server.

 

Then look at it this way.

 

The initial design of the 3.0 Antagonist had the minions die with their leader a la Undead. This was changed. Why?

 

Not sure, but either the person who made the non-PK call stands by their decisions or a lot of people feel deceived as a result.

[Goldrim 1422]

That's metagamingish, no?

 

To a degree, I guess. You're taking an OOC thing and using it to determine how you will roleplay with someone. Which isn't inherently  metagaming, but in this situation it is, I think. Unless you play a character that knows him and would respond like this.

 

I think this thread has made it fairly clear that nobody was forced to PK their character.

 

Oh **** man, person attacks, I can't respond anymore!

 

Not really, simply because they shouldn't be there in the first place and I didn't have the OOC knowledge that people got quote on quote "cleansed", I can justify the IC reasoning easily enough, don't you worry about that bud.

 

And we'll have to wait for an answer from an Admin or somebody else that has the authority, if it was up to me I'd enforce the PK of every single character that is back to a mortal, lucky you I don't hold the reins of that decision.

[Space 2335]

I can justify the IC reasoning easily enough, don't you worry about that bud.

 

I think that type of attitude is a why the GMs felt it was smart to implement that god awful 'Don't take enjoyment from others' rule or however it goes. Baaaaaaaaaaaaa-ud.

 

But, yeah, I think LMs and players have responded.

 

Let people rp how they want to rp, I guess.

[Goldrim 1422]

I think that type of attitude is a why the GMs felt it was smart to implement that god awful 'Don't take enjoyment from others' rule or however it goes. Baaaaaaaaaaaaa-ud.

 

But, yeah, I think LMs and players have responded.

 

Let people rp how they want to rp, I guess.

 

If you haven't noticed yet, you're contradicting yourself. Now look at it like this, if I want to RP like I stated before, by your logic, I should be allowed to? You're making such a fool out of yourself, just stop posting please.

[Space 2335]

If you haven't noticed yet, you're contradicting yourself. Now look at it like this, if I want to RP like I stated before, by your logic, I should be allowed to? You're making such a fool out of yourself, just stop posting please.

 

RP how you want to RP without being a prick because you don't get your own way.

 

But I really don't want to get warns and ****, so, you win, A+ effort. You win.

[Lago 2572]

Not sure, but either the person who made the non-PK call stands by their decisions or a lot of people feel deceived as a result.

 

At no point did I say we should retroactively PK all ex-Harbingers. However, from a wholly in character perspective mortalisation doesn't have a leg to stand on so it is entirely for out of character and out of universe reasons. It may not be a reversed PK but it's what would otherwise be a powergamed act to prevent one. Their flesh was incinerated off and they were kept alive only by dark magic: the lich Harbingers survive off a small fraction of it, that's not reversible and such had been stated many times during the earlier days of the antagonist. This was overridden in order to prevent the forced permakills of the Harbingers, it's as close to reversing a PK as you can get without actually doing it.

I don't know what those reasons are and I don't necessarily disagree with them. However, what I don't support is maintaining a very firm ban-enforced stance on the unwilling permakills of other players in light of it.

[osumanduas 1442]

I believe that characters should be forced perma-killed under certain situations anyway and in my opinion as a bystander to all of this **** and completely neutral in that respect I think this is one of those situations. The antag died so just let it die imo

 

this^^

[DrakeHaze. 2524]

I read through the majority of this, and yet again it's just character attachment which is fine in a sense. I mean, I too like to smoke weed and wouldn't like to just 'quit'. I mean, if I were apart of something so grand and impacted history greatly and it came upon me to kill off my character because that was what I signed up for, I'd do it.

For the RP.

But of course that is just my opinion and doesn't really have much to do with the OP. An admin won't come here and tell anyone to PK, they'll keep quiet and let everyone here bicker until we get bored of that and then turn our heads to pvp default again to bicker about that. Eh.. As a cultist I heard about how the Harby were chosen and that they'd have some choice but in the end they were able to be pk'd much like a Lich. If you didn't want to put your character at risk I guess you should've chosen the blue harby like a sane person, or the black ones.. or green ones? I swear they became the power rangers at some point near the end.

tl;dr Don't feign ignorance. Think before you sign up. Blue harby is best.

[Kanrath 190]

Heh..I remember the crazy stuff anyone who entered into the nether to try to end the undead had to deal with...Good times, and pretty sure everyone involved on the protag side went along with their PKs if they died. I know I did. Events like it are much easier to convince players to perhaps take a pk as it is a major event.

 

 

Mind you there is a history of Antags being told "At the end of the day, if and when your side looses, that's it gg you all turn to ash" And then turning around and going "Naw, I don't wanna". So this didn't come as a surprise for a lot of players I think.

[Aedan The Bard 350]

I shall only PK if the RP is really ******* good, or if my character's death has a meaning or helps a greater purpose.

[Samson Option 9652]

I'll lay this on you Goldrim and you'll know of whom I am referring to without me breaking out the names. The non-PK BS came about after a certain few very attached individuals who threatened me with masochistic comments couldn't break away from their "Harbingers". I knew about the suggested non-PK clause during my running the Harbs/Antags.