Undead Raid // Warclaim Help?!

[E__V__O 2000]

Hello, so from a few topics posted it has made me wonder.

 

Do the undead players have to follow the current raid and war-claim rules? I know they are the antagonist but if they are not having big server events shouldn't they be just normal players who need to follow the rules the server has set for these two types? 

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I wonder since this topic here:

 

https://www.lordofthecraft.net/topic/117826-warclaim-an-awakening-empire/#entry1127202

 

has a post stating.

 

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There have been other posts claiming the same with the abuse of raid rules from some undead players. Can it be possible that it be listed here what the undead player-base can achieve with raid and warclaim rules that a normal player cannot? 

I understand they are the antagonist on the server but they still should follow current raid and warclaim rules unless an offical post has stated they don't have to.

 

Thank you.

~ttwesten

[_Jandy_ 3519]

I dunno, but I think they should have to follow the same rules that the rest of us do!

[Burkester 1247]

If they can raid we should be able to as well.

[Sky 0]

There is a reason why we wanted a player run antagonist, being player run but server favoured isn't what was wanted but an antagonist which was completely player orientated, following rules and all.

[Zezimus 1523]

Not 100% certain here but I think that although they're player run, they are allowed some exceptions to the usual rules. This doesn't mean they're about to go around conquering whatever they like and ruining the RP of factions simply because they enjoy it however. If they were to follow the rules fully, it could take about five weeks to conquer any given settlement, which just wouldn't make sense. The downside to these relaxed rules is that they have to fight against almost all of Athera. 

[Sky 0]

Not 100% certain here but I think that although they're player run, they are allowed some exceptions to the usual rules. This doesn't mean they're about to go around conquering whatever they like and ruining the RP of factions simple because they enjoy it however. If they were to follow the rules fully, it could take about five weeks to conquer any given settlement. The downside to these relaxed rules is that they have to fight against almost all of Athera. 

 

I do not mean to insinuate that they would abuse the system, just simply saying that they should be bind by the same OOC laws that the normal players are. 

[Zezimus 1523]

I do not mean to insinuate that they would abuse the system, just simply saying that they should be bind by the same OOC laws that the normal players are. 

 

As things stand, that would basically mean no raids whatsoever. Not to say I agree with the current rules against normal players but can it really be expected that undead should have to adhere to that? That'd mean none of the surprise attacks on cities that we've been seeing, and as I said also, it could take about five to six weeks to conquer a settlement. It just wouldn't make sense.

 

I'm fairly sure this would work against the undead as well, as it would require only one warclaim to conquer a settlement that they control.

[Free The Hobbits 859]

They probably don't, just like the last antag wasn't needed to follow the rules. Because, they're mostly so things like Orc/Oren daily raids don't happen again, this promotes the rp between the server and the undead...

[Sky 0]

As things stand, that would basically mean no raids whatsoever. Not to say I agree with the current rules against normal players but can it really be expected that undead should have to adhere to that? That'd mean none of the surprise attacks on cities that we've been seeing, and as I said also, it could take about five to six weeks to conquer a settlement. It just wouldn't make sense.

 

I'm fairly sure this would work against the undead as well, as it would require only one warclaim to conquer a settlement that they control.

 

The same way that this is argued for the undead, it could be argued for any other nation or group really.

[Malaise 1570]

It may seem biased, but I personally feel as if some rules must be looked past for a player run antagonist to work. The undead are here to strew chaos and maim/kill/pillage. We can't do any of those things unless we can look past the necessary warclaim to raid a settlement. It just isn't realistic.

 

Besides this fact, I think raids need to be brought back without needing a warclaim. It's fairly dumb.

[Old-Rattlesnake 1534]

If the Undead are allowed unrestricted raiding then everyone else should be allowed to freely raid them as well.

[Eleatic 1033]

As I said on the topic Heff made complaining about complainers, the Antag should be forced to follow server rules. Even more strictly than normal players, though this is just my opinion.

[Heff 2460]

Are you serious.

Abuse of raid rules and war rules!?!?!?

THEY ARE THE UNDEAD!
THEY ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO DECLARE WAR OR HAVE LIMITS!
THEY AREN'T THERE LIKE EVERY OTHER PLAYER!
THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE KILLING YOU!
not making warclaims and following "raid rules"

[Zezimus 1523]

The same way that this is argued for the undead, it could be argued for any other nation or group really.

 

Player run or not, they're still the server antagonist. They need the raid/war rules relaxed if they're to play their role at antagonizing. Had the Aegis undead been subject to the same rules, they wouldn't have been half as popular as they were. 

 

Again not 100% sure here but I'm fairly certain their own settlements are subject to different raid rules to the rest of Athera also, meaning the raid limit wouldn't apply to them either.

[Heff 2460]

Player run or not, they're still the server antagonist. They need the raid/war rules relaxed if they're to play their role at antagonizing. Had the Aegis undead been subject to the same rules, they wouldn't have been half as popular as they were. 

 

Again not 100% sure here but I'm fairly sure their own settlements are subject to different raid rules to the rest of Athera also, meaning the raid limit wouldn't apply.

 

^ refer to my earlier post

 

 

do you think the undead in aegis followed raid rules? Hah no! And thats what made them unpredictable and fun.