(Clarification) What Constitutes 'running From Rp'?

[Netphreak 510]

      I've been browsing the 'Ban Reports' section of the forums quite frequently... Something that I've noticed is a gray area or a 'loophole' some would call it, in the establishment of the phrase "Running from RP can initialize PVP default."

 

      Something that has been an issue here and is quite common is the lack of clarification of these rules. What /exactly/ constitutes the convicting of someone who 'Runs from RP'?

 

      In my honest opinion, this is a 'backdoor' into initializing PVP whenever someone doesn't want to partake in a RP session for whatever reason, so if the player in the matter of question 'walks' from a RP session without saying anything, is this automatically a "Running from RP" scenario?

 

      To be honest, more and more people are accepting this 'gray area/loophole' to get what they want rather than to think of the other person in question that is so called 'Running from RP'.

 

      The real issue is the fact that people are selfish and self centered, it is no longer "Hey I'm going to think about the other person for a change, if they feel they don't want to RP with me then so be it..."

 

      I am making this thread to get your honest feedback and possible clarification of this rule so that we can establish what it really means to "Run from RP" and enable the justification of a PVP Default call... I frankly observe this being used if someone just simply walks away.. Kind of a shady move, but hey... If you feel the need to PVP without a good reason and/or proof of said reason, then simply blurt out "He ran from RP, I can kill him now."

 

Do you see the problem? I'll let you decide.

 

~Netphreak

[Ryn Chirr 224]

I do agree with this. There needs to be a staff clarification as to what running from RP would be. Does the old rule of 'I reserve the right to not rp with you' stand?

[leave me alone 995]

They shouldn't be able to just walk away from rp because 'dun wana do it xd :)))'

[Birdwhisperer 1174]

I almost only see running from RP used as a way to initiate PvP without having to count down, or to change a fight from RP to PvP -  not to actually escape a fight.

[Netphreak 510]

I almost only see running from RP used as a way to initiate PvP without having to count down, or to change a fight from RP to PvP -  not to actually escape a fight.

 

I agree with this... It's just another loophole to be honest, and it's being abused.

[Netphreak 510]

They shouldn't be able to just walk away from rp because 'dun wana do it xd :)))'

 

You're right, however... If they are to show signs of distaste for what's going on and they wish not to partake in the session then something should be done that doesn't always end in a pseudo PVP default justification.

[Hydra 515]

I have always had a question about this... If i emote running away am I safe?

[Netphreak 510]

I have always had a question about this... If i emote running away am I safe?

 

And this is where the problem begins, if the community is not pointed to the exact clarification of this rule then it obviously will be used differently and for another persons personal gain. Now in that case simply emoting "Runs Away" would be considered powergaming in the text of the LOTC rules... However, if someone tries to emote "Tries to run away." This is within the rule barrior, yet... People will then try to say "They were running so I will go to PVP default because they were running." This is against the rules however if people were to read them.

 

It has happened many times before... 

 

EDITED:

If you run away from a fight that you are involved in with little to no roleplay, then the other player(s) can attack you via mechanics-based combat. If you emote running, roleplay it fully, and give them time to react in roleplay, they cannot opt straight for mechanics combat

/EDITED:

 

Just needed to throw in the rule so no one gets confused.

[Sky 0]

I will explain on behalf of myself as an Ex-GM.

 

Firstly, I need to explain the rule a little. When the player runs with mechanics they are allowed to be killed with mechanics. Now if the player simply ran away from the role play, or if the fight was (at that stage) an emote fight, you are not allowed to sentence them to the monks temple. You are supposed to speak with them, explain that running away isn't the most genuine thing to do and attempt to carry on the role play, if the other person wants none of that then they can /d20.

 

Now, what constitutes it is simply running away with mechanics with no emotes. I disagree that people should have the right to leave role play just because they aren't enjoying it, **** happens that we don't like in real life and we have to deal with it as it comes, but if the interaction becomes unsatisfactory on the OOC level then by all means you shouldn't have to deal with it. 

 

But, this is where people get mixed up and should learn basic manners (despite how they are treating you!). Instead of simply walking away, talk with the people you are role playing with and explain that you are not enjoying it and would like to leave, most of the time people don't care.

 

Also, it's not really being as abused as most people think it is. Yes ban reports are popping up with it, but that is irrelevant to how much it happens. Pointing to a figure and saying 'look at how many reports there are' is irrelevant when you don't know how many times it happens as a whole, and I would wager that it happens a lot to which the amount of reports are small because some people do not understand the ruling.

 

This is what happens when we substitute detailed rules for guidelines, but each have there problems. 

[Netphreak 510]

Thank you for your input Sky, it makes sense even though I disagree on a few things that were said however, what I disagree on is just a matter of opinion and not factual.. According to the explaination and clarification you've said, I agree with what was stated.

 

And you're right, we cannot know for sure how many people use this loophole because the only publicity of it is within the Ban Report section of the forums.. However, it is something that has to be cleaned up in my honest opinion. A loophole is a loophole, no matter if it's for rules or for server plugin exploits, both should be in the same category.

 

Thanks again, the clarification was needed.

[Rig 17580]

I do agree with this. There needs to be a staff clarification as to what running from RP would be. Does the old rule of 'I reserve the right to not rp with you' stand?

You cannot choose whether or not somebody else rps with you, you can simply avoid them if you don't like them.

As far as I'm concerned, running from rp means sprinting off mcly to avoid rp whether it be banditry or a fight, this gets you pvpd with mech standard, since you cannot kill them mcly with emote standard while they run.

I think it's fairly obvious what counts as running. It's running mcly to avoid a situation that is beginning to start or already into emote default, or the threat of mech pvp being issued. 

[Wolf Druid Ouity 1461]

Sky hit the nail on the head.

[Lima 774]

I honestly feel that they should just not allow running from RP. I won't lie, its not just the PVPers who call it, but the edgie powergamers who run from unfavourable RP scenarios. 

[Dizzy771 900]

Sky hit the nail on the head.

 

As a current GM... yea, pretty much. I'll drop this in GM chat though and see if something more "Official" can come of it. For now I would likely recommend following what sky said.

[Netphreak 510]

As a current GM... yea, pretty much. I'll drop this in GM chat though and see if something more "Official" can come of it. For now I would likely recommend following what sky said.

 

Appreciated. I have much more to discuss about regarding many different matters, however... I would be up writing all night and I'm currently at work right now. :P

 

Thanks much though everyone.