Your View: The Dwindling Inferno

[Dalek348 1962]

Certain Undead did mess up, certain Undead should not have been chosen for the job. I'll wholeheartedly admit to that. As a player who plays an Undead, it's disheartening to see most people picking "a" for reasons such "they're a dying breed that should be extinct" or "they all want to kill the descendants therefore they're just a nuisance that deserves to die, they have no character" or "they killed a bunch of people in PvP one time in the middle of the crossroads" etc, etc. I just sigh in depression, because that's not always and shouldn't be the case. One or two Undead doing asinine bullcrap doesn't represent the Undead as a whole, which it sadly does. Yes, the Undead hold a small group of people, but they're not a goddamn hive-mind, we don't all think the same.

Again, I'd like inform the misinformed and unknowledgeable, that not every Undead are alike IC and OOC. They Undead not even staff supported in the slightest, apart from the plugin support. Just because the Undead have 3 staff members (even though I personally consider 1-2) looking over us, doesn't fabricate much of an issue. Need I remind you, that second-gen necromancers and other holy factions bare staff looking over them too? Especially the second-gen necromancers, mainly because I play/played one myself. 

Understand that creating something doesn't come as easy as destroying something. You can stack a magnificent stack of wine glasses. However, you must be cautious, knowing that one asswipe can purposefully or accidentally knock it over. OR, it's akin to one individual of an ethnic minority trying to represent their minority in a good light and show that not everyone is the same, but a bad egg shows up and shouts 'ooga booga where da white wimmen at!!' which results in the ignorant judging an entire minority due to an individual's single action. That is the situation most of the Undead are in. 

Don't seek their removal because of ONE Undead shooting up the place. Yeah, that specific Undead messed up and (like everyone else,) can mess up again. They're open to improvement, and if they don't improve, they deserve a removal from the group, much like how most holy/dark art groups would do if they had a bad egg. We didn't "fail" because of a single Undead messing up. Heck, Undead don't even get a group vote on who becomes an Undead. We're divided into sects, and sect leaders have a final say on who is made an Undead. 

If Undead are removed, then I'd like to see the other things removed too, such as the Ascended. They were designed to combat and slay the Undead and leave when their time was over, they did their job, similar to the Undead, but the Ascended didn't go away.They remained up until now. Now they have to do their job again... And if the Undead are successfully removed and the Ascended still remain, then eeehhh, I'd be hardly chuffed at that fact. They'd be another 'special snowflake' (notice the quotations pls) group; it's just an uber-unique faction or w/e we special powers just for the sake of it when there are others alike out there, only weaker. Not that I strongly have anything against the Ascended, I'm down with 'a' or 'd' (mostly 'd'), it'd be nice having an EQUAL ying-yang tension between both Ascended and Undead. 

Sorry for the spelling errors, a bit tired, I repeated myself like... 10 times.

Oh, and, Dalek, if you think you can improve the Undead with your presence alone. I'd like to see you try, really. I mean no offence, it's the fact that you personally feel you'd be a good addition. I'd happily like to see you aid them.

Edit: Not that I strongly have anything against the Ascended, I'm down with 'a' or 'd' (mostly 'd'), it'd be nice having an EQUAL ying-yang tension between both Ascended and Undead. 

Edit: Some Undead, and if not, most Undead try to strafe away from "grr grr mortals". Trying to please different players of different timezones is a task for those Undead that do care, but some get triggered upon seeing "Undead" on a character card or seeing that one player who does play an Undead. Their OOC instincts take over and they either avoid the Undead wholly or just silently judge them as they walk past.

FINAL Edit (I promise!): I managed to get some good words out people by spending a freaking hour of RP on their character. ONE character, whilst I have paranoia on my mind of another Undead being the 'destroyer' and ruining the reputation formulated of glass, (that adittional Undead are trying to construct along with me) in five minutes or less due to PvP or some "Grr grr mortulhs!" bullshiznit.

 

We had the exact same problems in Aegis, but we didn't throw down our tools and give up like what is proposed in this thread.

 

My point is, it's not too late to have fun. It's correct to say people will look back on this Undead and view it as a failure, but you can still easily change things. Get rid of the wasters in the undead and go back to basics. Get a basic undead keep (please WITHOUT floating stained glass or the trademark event team tentacles) and unregion the area around it and then fight battles there constantly. Go back to classic cloak and dagger deceit and corruption on the streets. Above all don't worry about whether what you're doing will make people upset or angry or what connotations it will have, just make sure you relax and enjoy yourself.

 

It's also very important for the undead GM 'managers' to completely get rid of that position. A very bad idea which should never have been made (yes I know it might be difficult to get rid of your own power)

[Joe_Blackman 253]

We had the exact same problems in Aegis, but we didn't throw down our tools and give up like what is proposed in this thread.

 

My point is, it's not too late to have fun. It's correct to say people will look back on this Undead and view it as a failure, but you can still easily change things. Get rid of the wasters in the undead and go back to basics. Get a basic undead keep (please WITHOUT floating stained glass or the trademark event team tentacles) and unregion the area around it and then fight battles there constantly. Go back to classic cloak and dagger deceit and corruption on the streets. Above all don't worry about whether what you're doing will make people upset or angry or what connotations it will have, just make sure you relax and enjoy yourself.

 

It's also very important for the undead GM 'managers' to completely get rid of that position. A very bad idea which should never have been made (yes I know it might be difficult to get rid of your own power)

Trust me, there was an internal uproar amongst Undead regarding Undead Managers even being a thing. Having the Undead being powered down to cryptic lurkers is really fine by me, Undead starting from square one will make things easier imo. (And just to clear up any potential confusion, my bloody giant reply wasnn't utterly directed towards you.)

[Samson Option 9652]

For f*ck's sake is it it rather petty and insulting that you all are thinking about the Undead being broken after I get kicked because I wanted to remove the Undead.

 

Its a dead fiction trope, a terrible one at that. The Undead lacked cohesiveness, credibility, and any fresh features that would entertain the readers and roleplayers.

[Joe_Blackman 253]

For f*ck's sake is it it rather petty and insulting that you all are thinking about the Undead being broken after I get kicked because I wanted to remove the Undead.

 

Its a dead fiction trope, a terrible one at that. The Undead lacked cohesiveness, credibility, and any fresh features that would entertain the readers and roleplayers.

 

For f*ck's sake is it it rather petty and insulting that you all are thinking about the Undead being broken after I get kicked because I wanted to remove the Undead.

 

Its a dead fiction trope, a terrible one at that. The Undead lacked cohesiveness, credibility, and any fresh features that would entertain the readers and roleplayers.

i honestly didnt know why you wanted to kill off the undead that after i heard some **** about you using the admin wand which totally wrecked the **** out of people (which obviously brought about complaints) during your time as an undead why even join them in the first place if you think the undead are that ****, what changed your mind? just a question not even mad just curious in a rush

[Samson Option 9652]

i honestly didnt know why you wanted to kill off the undead that after i heard some **** about you using the admin wand which totally wrecked the **** out of people (which obviously brought about complaints) during your time as an undead why even join them in the first place if you think the undead are that ****? just a question not even mad just curious in a rush

I joined on the basis that I might have a shot at fixing them until I found out that I was practically restricted. You know, its called putting money where the mouth is and trying to do something to fix something, prolly from my rural lifestyle.

[Joe_Blackman 253]

I joined on the basis that I might have a shot at fixing them until I found out that I was practically restricted. You know, its called putting money where the mouth is and trying to do something to fix something, prolly from my rural lifestyle.

That is understandable and relatable.

[susitsu 871]

d. Downgrade the Undead

 

I personally preached the idea of a religion, not a cult. The very concept of Iblees and 'destroy all Descendants, GRR SKELETOR, KILL EVERYBODY' is just a bad antag concept and there was no arguing against that with how The Undead were made. There's literally a DESTRUCTION SECT. It just wasn't even believable and the repeating concept of kill all, kill all, kill all was dumb.

 

I personally believe in you and Mthdominator as being able to do something with this, Zarsies.

[mylimo7 409]

d. Downgrade the Undead

I personally preached the idea of a religion, not a cult. The very concept of Iblees and 'destroy all Descendants, GRR SKELETOR, KILL EVERYBODY' is just a bad antag concept and there was no arguing against that with how The Undead were made. There's literally a DESTRUCTION SECT. It just wasn't even believable and the repeating concept of kill all, kill all, kill all was dumb.

I personally believe in you and Mthdominator as being able to do something with this, Zarsies.

The Undead are not centered on killing all of the mortals. The only mortals we 'kill' are the ones that hinder our progress on our real goals.

[Zarsies 6795]

 

d. Downgrade the Undead

 

I personally preached the idea of a religion, not a cult. The very concept of Iblees and 'destroy all Descendants, GRR SKELETOR, KILL EVERYBODY' is just a bad antag concept and there was no arguing against that with how The Undead were made. There's literally a DESTRUCTION SECT. It just wasn't even believable and the repeating concept of kill all, kill all, kill all was dumb.

 

I personally believe in you and Mthdominator as being able to do something with this, Zarsies.

 

 

Not at all Undead goal, but it doesn't matter now anyways. Should a cult come from the fallen Undead, where mortal beings are able to connect with Iblees like any other patron of Aengudaemonic magic, they would have the Obliterator branch as an option. The Destruction Sect would be dead, with it is goals. Iblees wouldn't be able to carry out much with downgraded users, but could make steps.

 

As for Gaius, you were and are right. We did this wrong. We fucked it up, and I'm sorry.

[susitsu 871]

The Undead are not centered on killing all of the mortals. The only mortals we 'kill' are the ones that hinder our progress on our real goals.

 

Not at all Undead goal, but it doesn't matter now anyways.

 

Sadly, I feel like you both are kind of lying to me. Considering the screenshots Ive sent you, Zarsies, the posts about Brodz1, the things you, Throdo, and Ryno did, it just seems like absolute bullcrap. All the Destruction Sect has ever tried to do is go around killing players and we have evidence of that.

[mylimo7 409]

I guess that's just your opinion then if you won't believe me. In most cases, we were attacked and through defensive measures, it led to the ultimate demise of either me or "mortals." If you are not referencing the attack on the Healenor gates where you pulled out a lightning sword and killed Ryno, then I don't know what you are talking about. That attack had reasoning and was not blatant murder. It was intact a task for Ryno, his trial, where I helped him with.

[Samson Option 9652]

The fact that you apologized is fine and Im not going to wield it over your head Zarsies. Unlike what folks who dislike me insist, I don't care who holds the reins so long as certain issues are understood and realized and I think you are moving in the right direction so kudos mate.

[tcs_tonsils_ 3666]

The Who will be the Ones to be attacking. To make the words "We must defend our city with Honor" or "We must take back out city, be courageous fellow men" ring to the people of the world. We need a Bad guy, and undead can be put in the bad lands if needed. The undead is the perfect bay guy for us dwarves, it keeps us light on our feet. the game will become unfun and people will lead. There will be an uprising of protesters. I am not a cultist or a undead but i love to fight them it keeps my life fun. people will be cultists and undead in secret.

 

OK if we have to remove though people ADD in another BAD GUY(s)

[Zarsies 6795]

I'd like to thank every one of you for giving your thoughts on the matter. Everyone's word will be reread and evaluated in a little bit, and we'll have an answer. Thank you so much for beginning our steps with more communication between the community.

[Swgrclan 2682]

The creation of this "less powerful Undead magic" already took place about a year and two maps prior to the events of Iblees' return, and it was called, appropriately, a second generation of the first Undead's abilities. Now, I'm not one to thrash the idea of players working to learn something cool and exciting and something with a viable history, but the prospect leads to unnecessary developments and the availability of a magic that has already descended into a unique, available form.

Should the Undead devolve into cultists and lose theur powers, they have all the means in the game in order to regrow them organically, and fairly. In the time of the Anthosian Iblees Cult, which I had a hand in leading, we made an effort to give our group as much as a glorifying visage as the Undead themselves, and thus rallied the famous Electricity Evocationist, Lanader, into our ranks, and because of his convenient status as GM, were able to procure events that consisted of lilightning-strike attacks on numerous settlements that most people enjoyed. This was a semi-organic plan of action that was based off personal effort. Lanader's character learned that magic since Aegis.

The cult did not need to pray for a dead magic for us to do our job. Though, pleasingly, the magic in question's second generation came while the cult stil lived which assisted to further establish it's identity through further effort. We even harbored the first Prophet of these seconsecond-handed Undead in ours ranks!

Point is, you do not need to further dumb down a magic that has already descended into something creative, and something that has brought grand roleplay to many. If your cultists want Ibleesian magic, they may scribe the secrets of Fire Evocation, Electrical Evocation and the coveted Necromancy in their books so th eery may serve their Lord with both shown effort in learning these arts to mastery and doing so without draining the Fallen Ones' power for their own.