Pay-for-LC Update + Other News

[ChaoticallyCheshire 637]

To be quite honest, usually these matters don’t interest me and I stay quiet. I didn’t even know LC
was a thing up until recently and from what I learned before it was all changed up was that the prices weren’t that bad. Now I looked at the thread recently and quite honestly I laughed at how ridiculous it is, how ridiculous the prices are. 250x250 = 25k ? 

 

Why what reason was there to raise the prices and make it even harder for settlements and groups to properly make their towns to their hearts contents. This is not a survival server, it is an RP server. If I wanted to go about, playing on a survival server I'd go on the one I have with my friends, the ones with proper survival server plugins. I did not join this server to grind and such, I joined this server to RP with people, make friends and great memories. I joined this server for a community. 

 

So tell me, how does raising the prices and making the bannable item list longer benefit us? How does it help benefit the system? There seems to not be a proper explanation for it to be quite honest. And really, let's talk about the prices again for a moment. 250x250 is the biggest it gets, so let’s say you're building a city, like the new Oren capital for example, and your plot is 500x500 and therefore you’ve got to pay 50k simply to put in a capital. A capital. Tell me how this is okay, how this will, in the end, make the lotc experience better. Because it seems like it just makes it worse.

[LatzMomo 2088]

EW absolutely fowl

[oblivionsbane 714]

Fix. Voting.

[Reno 239]

I retract my previous statements, and instead I will again nag you to fix voting.

Have a nice day

[Ever 2648]

4 minutes ago, The Cheshire Neko said:

To be quite honest, usually these matters don’t interest me and I stay quiet. I didn’t even know LC
was a thing up until recently and from what I learned before it was all changed up was that the prices weren’t that bad. Now I looked at the thread recently and quite honestly I laughed at how ridiculous it is, how ridiculous the prices are. 250x250 = 25k ? 

 

I think you fail to grasp how large 250x250 is. 

 

http://i.imgur.com/Dg0Dza4.png

 

This is 250x250 with an NPC village pasted on top. That NPC village alone could house most small playergroups.  

4 minutes ago, The Cheshire Neko said:

 

Why what reason was there to raise the prices and make it even harder for settlements and groups to properly make their towns to their hearts contents. This is not a survival server, it is an RP server.

 

 

We most certainly ARE a survival server. It's obviously not the most important thing, I agree, since roleplay is why we exist and roleplay is why players come, play, and return for, but we ARE a survival server. You may disagree with that but it does not change facts. 

 

4 minutes ago, The Cheshire Neko said:

If I wanted to go about, playing on a survival server I'd go on the one I have with my friends, the ones with proper survival server plugins. I did not join this server to grind and such, I joined this server to RP with people, make friends and great memories. I joined this server for a community. 

 

No one is preventing you from roleplaying. This does not stop you from building your house without creative. The only limiter in this situation is... well, you.

 

4 minutes ago, The Cheshire Neko said:

 

So tell me, how does raising the prices and making the bannable item list longer benefit us? How does it help benefit the system? There seems to not be a proper explanation for it to be quite honest.

 

The banned item list wasn't increased by much. There needs to be some semblance or rare or sought-after items- we ARE somewhat of an economy server too though that portion of the server is in desperate need of assistance.

 

4 minutes ago, The Cheshire Neko said:

 

And really, let's talk about the prices again for a moment. 250x250 is the biggest it gets, so let’s say you're building a city, like the new Oren capital for example, and your plot is 500x500 and therefore you’ve got to pay 50k simply to put in a capital. A capital. Tell me how this is okay, how this will, in the end, make the lotc experience better. Because it seems like it just makes it worse.

 

I hate to be rude but it just sounds to me like you'd prefer if we were all in creative mode and could do whatever pleased us the most. That's not how the server operates now nor how it has ever operated.  We started as a way to play Minecraft through a different lens. Instead of being players, we were Elves, Orcs, etc. Instead of building a house, we were building clan halls and fortresses to protect ourselves or wage wars out of. We're much more focused on roleplay now than we were then but we still have our survival/economy roots and, as long as I foresee, always will. 

 

Again... 500x500 is ridiculously large. You don't get a capital, you get your keep/castle, your entire city built, your outlying villages and farms built, your walls and monuments built, etc. You can either spend months building manually and save lots of money, or pay money and save time. The system is a luxury and a convenience. It was not designed to be used by everyone. You are not being forced to use it. You do not have to use it. You do not have to pay for it. You never even have to acknowledge that it exists- and, as always, if you have legitimate suggestions for making it better, I'm always receptive to ideas. I just feel like you want the server to cater to you; free builds, roleplay only. That's not our server. We are a hybrid blend of survival/economy and roleplay. We always have been and always will be.

 

Additionally, you don't have to cover your entire region as a LC buildable plot. You pay for what you need, though you can only have one active building plot at a time.

 

7 minutes ago, Destroyer_Bravo said:

is 50x50 strictly a cuboid region, or can I use the 50² of area in whatever configuration?

 

You outline where you wanna build and I spit out a price, it's not a cuboid, just 2500 blocks covered = 1k. 

[ChaoticallyCheshire 637]

4 minutes ago, sdm said:

As if people could obtain 25k in a reasonable time anyways...

First talks about a spawn tavern, now you can't even afford to pay for your nation's capital part due to the fact that mina never enters the player base now a days, only leaves it. I mean honestly, if you don't want people to RP just tell us, well **** off and go play a survival server, because that's what your telling us to do.

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2 minutes ago, Ever said:

No one is preventing you from roleplaying. This does not stop you from building your house without creative. The only limiter in this situation is... well, you.

I find that hard to believe when I've spent the last 3 days helping the warhawkes collect wood, stone and more instead of roleplaying. If we could get lc then our town would be up and running within a day. Then we'd be off roleplaying and bringing new people into the warhakian community. But we can't roleplay right now, i mean we can but that'd mean ditching the town for another day, or ditching your share of responsibilities and making someone else have to do it all. There is no character development, there is no team building opportunities. Hell, someone had to postpone their wedding because the town won't be up by the time we hoped it would be. 

[Ever 2648]

9 minutes ago, The Cheshire Neko said:

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I find that hard to believe when I've spent the last 3 days helping the warhawkes collect wood, stone and more instead of roleplaying.

 

Why is it anyone's fault but your own that you decided to do X activity over Y activity? We're getting a bit abstract here now but time is a resource too. If you'd rather spend your time roleplaying than gathering resources, go roleplay! 

 

9 minutes ago, The Cheshire Neko said:

 

If we could get lc then our town would be up and running within a day. Then we'd be off roleplaying and bringing new people into the warhakian community. But we can't roleplay right now, i mean we can but that'd mean ditching the town for another day, or ditching your share of responsibilities and making someone else have to do it all.

 

 

You can get LC; the system is up and running right now. I am in-game right now. Again, as I said above, we are a both a survival and roleplaying server. Though you might not want to, others do come to the server to play minecraft as well as roleplay. 

 

9 minutes ago, The Cheshire Neko said:

 

There is no character development, there is no team building opportunities. Hell, someone had to postpone their wedding because the town won't be up by the time we hoped it would be. 

 

While I'm sorry your in-rp activites are being halted because you choose to do other activities, pay-for-lc is designed to stop that from being an issue. If you want to quickly build a city or village, you can pay for creative. If you do not have the money or want to do it manually, you can. The server has ran for almost 6 years without creative being available to normal players for normal builds. It is not the end of the world now that such a system is being offered, and, if players are still adamantly against the idea or the system as a whole, it can be removed.

[Gallic 1066]

Why ban prismarine, glowstone and magma?... Those are all legitimate building blocks. The end and nether blocks don't make much sense to me, either, but to a lesser extent. I've used a lot of glowstone in my builds, and magma is an amazing multi-purpose block. What makes the LEAST sense to me, though, is why you'd ban crafting tables. Why? They're literally four wood, and they're useful building blocks for specific purposes. They can just be added in later with... Four wood.

 

And what's with the prices? The Druids practically needed LC to build a big ol' RP hub which has gotten lots of attention, and we were barely able to scrape up the 20k needed to pay for the blocks by getting donations from every Druid that was active. Paying 50k would have been impossible. It was also RP'd in while it was still technically under construction, and that's something that helped get it payed for. I understand forbidding builders from leaving the region, but why stop anyone from looking around in it? People in creative can't drop items and it can be made so that non-builders can't break blocks there.

[ChaoticallyCheshire 637]

4 minutes ago, Ever said:

Why is it anyone's fault but your own that you decided to do X activity over Y activity? We're getting a bit abstract here now but time is a resource too. If you'd rather spend your time roleplaying than gathering resources, go roleplay! 

I am helping because my character has been homeless for a good 2ish months and therefore doesn't even have a dropping place to put her things. I'm helping because the more people they get, the faster this is done and the fact that i'll get more rp in the long run.

 

9 minutes ago, Ever said:

You can get LC; the system is up and running right now. I am in-game right now. Again, as I said above, we are a both a survival and roleplaying server. Though you might not want to, others do come to the server to play minecraft as well as roleplay. 

As i said in my original comment, LC has now become far to expensive due to your new update. The island is much bigger then 250x250 and its not like there is a way to really make minas on lotc as of late. The voting system is down and the gm market hasn't been built or even mentioned if i am correct. 

11 minutes ago, Ever said:

While I'm sorry your in-rp activites are being halted because you choose to do other activities, pay-for-lc is designed to stop that from being an issue. If you want to quickly build a city or village, you can pay for creative. If you do not have the money or want to do it manually, you can. The server has ran for almost 6 years without creative being available to normal players for normal builds. It is not the end of the world now that such a system is being offered, and, if players are still adamantly against the idea or the system as a whole, it can be removed.

Well hopefully it is in fact removed because this is rather ridiculous and quite unnecessary. No one else seems to appreciate it either, so its not like you've got an audience of people clapping at your new decision. At least not an a sarcastic manner 

[KeatonUnbeaten 1103]

could a sweetheart named (admin) please remove the priority 101 on the orenwarning region? the region still belongs to someone and i dont think you can just slap a big ol 'priority' mark on it

[Knox213 10]

1 hour ago, Ever said:

 

I'm still not entirely happy with the system, to be honest, and that's why I said that it might be subject to change or outright removal in the future (though that'd likely be only if we switch to a new map if it IS ever removed). 

 

I will literally write you an essay at the end of the week on why it should be removed and how it effects the server and how to better replace the system.

[Ever 2648]

9 minutes ago, TheCritsyBear said:

Why ban prismarine, glowstone and magma?... Those are all legitimate building blocks. The end and nether blocks don't make much sense to me, either, but to a lesser extent. I've used a lot of glowstone in my builds, and magma is an amazing multi-purpose block.

 

Again, I wanted there to be some semblance of sought-after blocks. The list can and may be amended at any time if necessary. 

 

9 minutes ago, TheCritsyBear said:

 

What makes the LEAST sense to me, though, is why you'd ban crafting tables. Why? They're literally four wood, and they're useful building blocks

for specific purposes. They can just be added in later with... Four wood.

 

This was to prevent Nexus glitchiness, not necessarily a building ban. Again, this can amended if it seems like they're acting as they should- though, as you said, they ARE just four planks- you're not losing much sleep over having to manually craft and place them.

 

9 minutes ago, TheCritsyBear said:

 

And what's with the prices? The Druids practically needed LC to build a big ol' RP hub which has gotten lots of attention, and we were barely able to scrape up the 20k needed to pay for the blocks by getting donations from every Druid that was active. Paying 50k would have been impossible.

 

Again, I believe this is more a miscommunication on my part than the system being bad. 

 

 

The above is a 100x100 plot land that would cost 4k to build on. For scale reference, to the right is an NPC village. I don't know how big the current druid tree/hub is, but that should better explain how much things will cost.

 

9 minutes ago, TheCritsyBear said:

 

It was also RP'd in while it was still technically under construction, and that's something that helped get it payed for. I understand forbidding builders from leaving the region, but why stop anyone from looking around in it? People in creative can't drop items and it can be made so that non-builders can't break blocks there.

 

The main worry is allowing people not in creative to make changes while they see fit. Place a block while in creative and someone else breaks said block. Infinite blocks in that case. The system is designed to be as abuse-proof as possible.

 

3 minutes ago, The Cheshire Neko said:

As i said in my original comment, LC has now become far to expensive due to your new update. The island is much bigger then 250x250 and its not like there is a way to really make minas on lotc as of late. The voting system is down and the gm market hasn't been built or even mentioned if i am correct. 

 

 

You also said you weren't aware it didn't even exist up until recently. I can provide a price estimate for how much it would cost to build up your plot because I can almost guarantee it's not as much as you make it out to be. And, with the removal of a pay-for-LC system, you're back to square one. Complaining that you have to build or collect resources on Minecraft rather than roleplay- but then you have no alternative.

6 minutes ago, keaton9011 said:

could a sweetheart named (admin) please remove the priority 101 on the orenwarning region? the region still belongs to someone and i dont think you can just slap a big ol 'priority' mark on it

 

PM me in-game or on Skype to explain what the issue is, I can fix it ASAP.

 

6 minutes ago, Knox said:

 

I will literally write you an essay at the end of the week on why it should be removed and how it effects the server and how to better replace the system.

 

PM me as soon as you have it written or you can speak with me personally on Skype if that works too.

[aiden0023 1384]

@Ever I noticed how it said, "Without proper protection." So, what would protect you from the Thanhium dust? Or do I have to learn that in RP?

[Starfelt 1437]

Why was status updates removed from the forums?

[Ever 2648]

5 minutes ago, aiden0023 said:

@Ever I noticed how it said, "Without proper protection." So, what would protect you from the Thanhium dust? Or do I have to learn that in RP?

 

I believe some groups have (or are working on) developed protective gear when dealing with Thanhium. Though, it's hard to say how effective it will be with how much dust there is!