If You Stand for Nothing, then What Will You Fall For?

[drfate786 1690]

1 hour ago, Raomir said:

How can you post those two images and then use them as justification for a one week ban AND then say that the staff doesn't ban people maliciously. It's three cobblestone blocks bro, he could've hopped the fence probably and gotten in. What's wrong with you?

 

 

It's probably not his first offence, he likely did something else that was malicious after too. 

[Sky 0]

11 minutes ago, drfate786 said:

 

It's probably not his first offence, he likely did something else that was malicious after too. 

 

Not, it wasn't his first offence, but there was no just catalyst to ban him in this case. Having a ban history itself is not a reason to be banned, otherwise I could list of tens of people who should be banned right this second. I admire it when people are outliers for reasons that can hold merit, being the underdog for a group or an idea that is under-represented, but to be the outlier simply because or just to cause grief, it's a little pathetic.

[Dromui 755]

Be merciful, Sky.

[drfate786 1690]

1 hour ago, Sky said:

 

Not, it wasn't his first offence, but there was no just catalyst to ban him in this case. Having a ban history itself is not a reason to be banned, otherwise I could list of tens of people who should be banned right this second. I admire it when people are outliers for reasons that can hold merit, being the underdog for a group or an idea that is under-represented, but to be the outlier simply because or just to cause grief, it's a little pathetic.

 

There was a catalyst, he griefed his way into a settlement. A one week ban for that is harsh but from my experience, you have to make a lasting impression or they'll keep doing it. There was this new player who kept griefing into the necro base and he (and his friends) got a two day ban for it. In Dalek's case, he knew better and did it anyway. This is someone that ran the halfling village at one point, he should know better then to grief into another settlement. Don't give me the whole "b-but fate! Tarrebear and co griefed him!" excuse either, he should of filed a ban report with the supporting evidence if his claim is serious. 

[zaezae 1098]

Just reverse the decision. If someone isn't  A) Incessantly messaging people who ask them not to, B) doxxing other players,  C) Spreading actual (not hyperbole) slander about another player, or D) Committing any sexual crime including soliciting underage players for noods, then do not ban them no matter what they say on a medium not OWNNNEEDDD by LOTC.

[JEEGK 1367]

I'm finished trying to put my two cents into the situation. Every time I check these threads, I never see any admins peeking at them. They are choosing to ignore the community rather than giving them a chance. My guess is that they look at us as if we've yet to evolve into actual human specimens. 

[drfate786 1690]

2 hours ago, zaezae said:

Just reverse the decision. If someone isn't  A) Incessantly messaging people who ask them not to, B) doxxing other players,  C) Spreading actual (not hyperbole) slander about another player, or D) Committing any sexual crime including soliciting underage players for noods, then do not ban them no matter what they say on a medium not OWNNNEEDDD by LOTC.

 

"Slander" has to be taken into it's literal sense. If the person is making false statements about another with the intent of destroying their reputation over a malicious reason then it is considered slander. However, simply talking about someone's past misdeeds to others isn't slander and should never be taken into that context as it holds a matter of truth into it albeit can sometimes be exaggerated but not on purpose. One example of this was the BR a player once put on me when they tried to steal my base from me via loop holes in the free build rules. I spoke to people about what they did and warned them not to trust them or give them a staff position that they could potentially abuse, this was not slander as they did something that justifies this caution, yet they tried to have me banned for speaking my mind about things that I had evidence of and which actually happened. 

 

In the case of this specific player (imattyz), all we have are cropped screenshots of potentially offensive things said to (or about) admins based off what I'm informed and have seen. This is not tentative evidence. This is why I'm not picking any sides, either the admins did something stupid or Imattyz is overextending a situation to try and get himself unbanned for something that the admins had a good reason to ban him for. Such as any of the things you mentioned.

 

Incessantly messaging people depends on the context as well, if this is on discord there's a handy feature called blocking. If this is on LoTC you can contact a GM to tell them to stop messaging you. However, telling someone to stop messaging you and then claiming harassment when they do is childish, especially if they contact you for a valid reason and not just to harass you. That being said, harassment has to be insulting and continuous with the intent to cause psychological harm to the other person by devaluing them. For example, if I messaged you every day that you're a piece of human garbage (you're not, this is just an example), then that can be taken as harassment as its continuous and devalues your worth as a person. 

 

Someone could also tell your friends that your garbage and make up stories that are not true to put a wedge in your friendships, this is defamation. Unless they're telling the truth about your misdeeds. Though, keep in mind that we all make mistakes and that in time everything is forgotten about and eventually forgiven. 

 

 

 

 

[Gone 869]

I'm of the opinion that people should (at least) be decent to one another. Online and offline.

That if you do get banned from any game you should reflect, even if it was something silly, and think of how you can avoid such happening again. Learn from the incident. Don't repeat the same actions. 

 

Bans should just be between the banned player and the staff. 

The only reason I really see for others to get involved is if they have valid evidence or counter-evidence. 

 

However, when chats I'm in were pinged to voice their opinions on threads I went ahead and voiced mine. After all the person who'd written the ping said they wanted people of all opinions to comment, agree or disagree. 

Since then I've had the following happen: 

- called a "staff team cuck", "dumb ****", "dumb *****", and "*****" 

- told directly that I'm "sucking the staffs cock" 

- been blamed for the report on iMattyz despite not being in the military channel where it happened

- apparently it's been said I can go die, probably multiple times 

- been blamed for screenshots that someone else took after I was kicked out of the Dominion discord 

 

Like I said, I feel bans should only be between the banned player, staff, and people with evidence. 

When forum posts are made though it'd be nice if they were actually calm discussions and not attempting to incite riots or trying to praise the banned player as a saint. 

We're all human, we all make mistakes. 

Sometimes those mistakes get you banned. Sometimes staff make mistakes while banning people. 

Let the banned player and staff figure it out. Let them all learn from it and move on.

[Sky 0]

13 minutes ago, Aelsioln said:

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I would be inclined to agree with you, if it weren't for the glaring fact that no moves to even speak about the ban has been made. It is becoming more apparent that the upper echelon are more content with letting this whole situation blow away.

[Gone 869]

2 minutes ago, Sky said:

I would be inclined to agree with you, if it weren't for the glaring fact that no moves to even speak about the ban has been made. It is becoming more apparent that the upper echelon are more content with letting this whole situation blow away.

 

Obviously I don't speak for the Admins. I don't want to ever be a GM or Admin either. 

 

I know there was an Admin response to one of Leo's posts, could be they feel that's all that was needed for that situation. 

Could be they're waiting for people to calm down to ensure actual communication happens, after all it's often recommended to give an angry person time before trying to talk things over.

 

Heck, I've had instances where someone messages me and for one reason or another I then get distracted. Sometimes just forget to hit enter. Other times forget to respond all together. Could be something innocent like that, we honestly have no way of knowing unless that specific staff member speaks up. 

Only thing I can really recommend is for anyone banned to just figure out who they need to talk to, message that person and politely ask to talk, then wait. If something like 24 hours pass with no response then try another message. Ask if there is a certain time that would be better to talk. 

I am not saying that people haven't done this, just that it's all I can recommend and in my experience is what works best to getting the result you want.

[Dromui 755]

3 hours ago, Aelsioln said:

I'm of the opinion that people should (at least) be decent to one another. Online and offline.

That if you do get banned from any game you should reflect, even if it was something silly, and think of how you can avoid such happening again. Learn from the incident. Don't repeat the same actions. 

 

Bans should just be between the banned player and the staff. 

The only reason I really see for others to get involved is if they have valid evidence or counter-evidence. 

 

However, when chats I'm in were pinged to voice their opinions on threads I went ahead and voiced mine. After all the person who'd written the ping said they wanted people of all opinions to comment, agree or disagree. 

Since then I've had the following happen: 

- called a "staff team cuck", "dumb ****", "dumb *****", and "*****" 

- told directly that I'm "sucking the staffs cock" 

- been blamed for the report on iMattyz despite not being in the military channel where it happened

- apparently it's been said I can go die, probably multiple times 

- been blamed for screenshots that someone else took after I was kicked out of the Dominion discord 

 

Like I said, I feel bans should only be between the banned player, staff, and people with evidence. 

When forum posts are made though it'd be nice if they were actually calm discussions and not attempting to incite riots or trying to praise the banned player as a saint. 

We're all human, we all make mistakes. 

Sometimes those mistakes get you banned. Sometimes staff make mistakes while banning people. 

Let the banned player and staff figure it out. Let them all learn from it and move on.

 

This is not at all acceptable for multiple reasons. I don't even have to list them. It sucks that you were attacked, along with other staff members.

[Hobbs_Burrows 497]

7 hours ago, Llir said:

 

 

Sure, definitely not for griefing into a freebuild.

 

I'm not going to comment on Matts ban but I do not appreciate it when people propagate lies about our staff, who work hard daily to make the server better. Our staff do not ban people maliciously - we have strong policies against abuse and biased moderation. Staff do what they believe is in the best interests the server and follows our community's rules - but that doesn't mean it's always the right choice; they are people too and make mistakes. If you're going to criticize us, do so with the full, truthful story - do not lie about our actions, or claim we are actually evil. That is not productive for anyone.

 

That screenshot is faked and you know it. That farm has been planted after I was banned. Returning to the scene to smash a few blocks and say it was me is low. Countessem found 1 block destroyed and banned me for it. Only after the event do sad individuals like you dig around to falsify evidence and twist the truth - and yet you have no shame doing it publicly 

7 hours ago, Raomir said:

How can you post those two images and then use them as justification for a one week ban AND then say that the staff doesn't ban people maliciously. It's three cobblestone blocks bro, he could've hopped the fence probably and gotten in. What's wrong with you?

 

 

I did hop the fence, the place was covered in trees when I was there. I broke a block to get OUT of the build

[Hobbs_Burrows 497]

6 hours ago, drfate786 said:

 

There was a catalyst, he griefed his way into a settlement. A one week ban for that is harsh but from my experience, you have to make a lasting impression or they'll keep doing it. There was this new player who kept griefing into the necro base and he (and his friends) got a two day ban for it. In Dalek's case, he knew better and did it anyway. This is someone that ran the halfling village at one point, he should know better then to grief into another settlement. Don't give me the whole "b-but fate! Tarrebear and co griefed him!" excuse either, he should of filed a ban report with the supporting evidence if his claim is serious. 

 

I did not grief my way into a freebuild. The owner had been offline for months and was being threatened with eviction by GMs and griefed by players. Despite being a complete stranger to me, I kept going to his build to make sure people weren’t destroying it. I caught 1 or 2 grief attempts there, and the fact it didn’t get world edited away months ago is because I vouched for him even though I didn’t know him. I admit I broke a block to get out and return to my base because I didn’t want to bother doing the jump out, but I forgot to replace the block on an abandoned wall at an abandoned house - hardly the crime of the century. I’ve said it before, banning me for that is like giving a parking ticket to an ambulance trying to save a life. Completely unnecessary 

 

But I am glad you posted here, because how could I forget the occasion when you took it upon yourself to destroy a new player's entire burrow while he was offline? 

 

 

Purely so you could have a laugh and troll us, pretending to be a relative of Iblees and a pig, called 'Pigblees'

 

 

 

I reported you to Fireheart and after everyone dodging responsibility, I was told it was a 'misunderstanding' and then everyone all at once started a co-ordinated ignoring of all my messages. Sounds like justice and fairness, right? Because of course it's only a game, so why should anything be fair. If your name is written in a colour, you can just about do as you please

[zaezae 1098]

7 hours ago, Aelsioln said:

I'm of the opinion that people should (at least) be decent to one another. Online and offline.

That if you do get banned from any game you should reflect, even if it was something silly, and think of how you can avoid such happening again. Learn from the incident. Don't repeat the same actions. 

 

Bans should just be between the banned player and the staff. 

The only reason I really see for others to get involved is if they have valid evidence or counter-evidence. 

 

However, when chats I'm in were pinged to voice their opinions on threads I went ahead and voiced mine. After all the person who'd written the ping said they wanted people of all opinions to comment, agree or disagree. 

Since then I've had the following happen: 

- called a "staff team cuck", "dumb ****", "dumb *****", and "*****" 

- told directly that I'm "sucking the staffs cock" 

- been blamed for the report on iMattyz despite not being in the military channel where it happened

- apparently it's been said I can go die, probably multiple times 

- been blamed for screenshots that someone else took after I was kicked out of the Dominion discord 

 

Like I said, I feel bans should only be between the banned player, staff, and people with evidence. 

When forum posts are made though it'd be nice if they were actually calm discussions and not attempting to incite riots or trying to praise the banned player as a saint. 

We're all human, we all make mistakes. 

Sometimes those mistakes get you banned. Sometimes staff make mistakes while banning people. 

Let the banned player and staff figure it out. Let them all learn from it and move on.

I'm sorry but there's nothing wrong with anyone having an opinion and sharing them over a ban. I'm also sorry that you got attacked but that doesn't change the fact that many of us find the staff moderating private conversations off of LOTC to be offensive. The staff shouldn't do it and any ban that stems from that practice should be reversed. Plain and simple. It doesn't matter who got banned, the problem itself is the moderation and the ban. They made a mistake, but you can't learn from that mistake until you choose to reverse it. So I'm not letting it go until it's reversed. It's as simple as that because until the staff demonstrate that they won't moderate private messages off of lotc.

[Daisy 9740]

8 hours ago, Hobbs_Burrows said:

 

That screenshot is faked and you know it. That farm has been planted after I was banned. Returning to the scene to smash a few blocks and say it was me is low. Countessem found 1 block destroyed and banned me for it. Only after the event do sad individuals like you dig around to falsify evidence and twist the truth - and yet you have no shame doing it publicly 

 

https://i.gyazo.com/11df7f22d2616472d8abcfe2918dea8e.mp4

 

Explanation of command:

/he rebuild a:block-place,block-break p:Dalek348 t:30d r:we

 

This tells our logging plugin to redo (rebuild) all block placements and block breaks in the order that they occurred (a:block-place,block-break) by the specified player (p: Dalek348) in the past 30 days (t:30d) within my selection (r:we). If you had replaced the blocks after, it would have done so when i ran the command. Further, I individually checked each of the blocks to assure that the logs were correct.

 

Now, I didn't ban you - but the evidence is that you griefed into a freebuild. Maybe stop lying about it and just apologize - if you truly had noble intentions with it then that would be helpful on an appeal. Right now you're digging a hole.