The Catch 22 of Dealing with Raiders

[WuHanXianShi14 0]

This post isn't going to be professional or civilly worded and it will call out people in the community. If you're not okay with that then feel free to not read this thread. That or ban me for toxicity, although I'd call it "aggressively jaded cynicism" as opposed to toxicity.

 

You people aren't ******* slick, you know that? I don't understand why no one has ever called out the Catch 22 when it comes to "DEALING WITH RAIDS IN RP".

 

Yeah yeah I'm going to use the Dominion as an example since obviously I know this playerbase and its struggles the best, although this has happened to many other groups over the last few years.

 

So, deal with raiders in RP eh? Got it. Will do.

 

Let's say the orcs of Krugmar are attacking Dominion lands and want to declare war on us.

 

In response, the Dominion wins a string of skirmishes against them, kills pretty much every major member of their leadership in combat, and to top it all off, a formal duel is established which will decide the fate of the war, which the Dominion's king decisively wins and a treaty is enforced putting a formal end to the war.

 

Now this is the part where all the orcish screamers pile onto this thread to moan, ***** and cry about how it doesn't count, wasn't fair, elves are ******* and ERPers and scum of the earth and etc etc. I don't give a **** and I'm not going to hear it. Circlejerk your hate-clique and rep your buddies all you want. The fact of the matter is that the raiders were DEALT WITH IN RP. I do not understand how we could have dealt with them in RP any more decisively. And I'm not going to entertain any screamer remarks about why it didn't count.

 

But, did the raids stop? No.

 

After the war was over with the Orcs the usual suspects of the Anti-Dominion-Circle-Jerk(tm) simply made new characters and began antagonizing us with their new Generic-Bandit-Faction-With-A-Cosmetic-Disguise(tm) known as the red-cloaks. Same people, different characters. Did these characters have any particular development or RP to make them want to raid us? No. They were simply created as warmongering fanatics who just wanted to kill elves. Great RP, very immersive. (Of course, all the while spouting a circlejerky OOC meme based in hatred and spontaneously harrassing members of the Dominion).

 

Isn't just the Dominion here (Although I know the anti-elf-circlejerk-hate-club is going to zero in on it because of my affiliation to the Dominion and make it all about how whiny/toxic/etc we are. Go ahead but I'm just going to pre-emptively put this here and quote it to any replies of that nature). I've been around a long ******* time and seen it happen across many playerbases. Oren, at its height, was always dealing with perpetual raids. It was the same old story, they'd win a war, but the same OOC individuals would just continue to harry and harrass them on multiple paper-thin characters out of OOC malice, with no real end in sight.

 

So whats the point I'm getting at here?

 

There is no way to put a stop to raids in RP.

 

Raiders can raid whenever the **** they want, as whoever the **** they want, regardless of any IRP reasoning or RP circumstance. How many times did people spout "M-MUH DYNAMIC REALISM" when shilling for raids yet don't acknowledge THAT WHEN YOU'RE BEATEN BACK REPEATEDLY AND LOSE MANPOWER AND RESOURCES IN REAL LIFE YOU CAN'T RAID ANYMORE. Yet ingame there's no limit. There's no endgoal for defenders, who know that no matter how many times they win, how many wars they win, treaties they make, etc. There's always going to be someone who hates you OOCly and will gather up some goons to attack you in an endless, neverending cycle.

 

There's no way to get rid of raiders long-term, so people turn to the forums and to the GMs to try to get it dealt with.

 

1) Raiders will tell you to "DEAL WITH THEM IN RP AND ACKNOWLEDGE THE REALITIES OF RAIDING" yet at the same time refuse to RP any semblance of consequence for being beaten back repeatedly. Defenders are basically doomed to have to deal with the same people every 5 days in some sort of perpetual ******* cosmic cycle and there's no permanent way to defeat them. Its basically just playing whack-a-mole. **** that, if you dash yourself against a cities walls and lose multiple times you should be punished. You can't attack them ad infinatum.

 

2) FOR CAREER PVP GOONS, RAIDING IS BASED MORE ON WHO YOU HATE OOCLY THAN ANY SEMBLANCE OF RP AND I WILL ABSOLUTELY HEAR NO ARGUMENTS TRYING TO DEFEND THEM. I don't care. Its common knowledge at this point. I might believe that your usual PVP goon crowd WASN'T raiding out of OOC malice if A- they didn't have a seething hatred for the Dominion on EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER THEY PLAY and B- if they didn't constantly harrass and spout screamer-tier hatred about the Dominion on the forums OOCly.

 

I'm not buying your ****. No one does.

 

There's no way to get rid of these raiders either, because even if you manage (by some miracle) to get permanently rid of ONE group they're in, they'll simply join another on new characters to harrass you once more.

 

THERE IS NO WAY TO DEAL WITH RAIDS IN RP. ITS A CATCH 22.

 

I know I'm going to be attacked personally because the kids in that hate-circle just can't help themselves. You're free to, but I'm free to take it to the GMs if it happens.

 

 

 

[Chase 3793]

Understandable have a nice day

[Gamma 812]

xd

[Unwillingly 18133]

While I agree with the majority of this post, it can be hard for the GMs to deal with people making different personas OOCly. People can just say "oh my character has seen what elves have done and hates them" or "oh my parents were killed by elves," blah blah blah. They can't just force people not to hate x group or faction. If they say they have a reason, then they might actually have a reason or this might have actually happened. 

Idk, im not good with words but im just trying to back up the GM team and their reasoning for not dealing with this issue. Hopefully people know what I mean.

[Monkee 7369]

sir this is an arby's please just calm down and give me your order

[WuHanXianShi14 0]

2 minutes ago, Unwillingly said:

 

Exactly, even if its obviously OOCly targetting, if there's a "WELL TECHNICALLY" the GMs will always side with the "WELL TECHNICALLY"

 

Time for them to drop the **** and call out things for what they are.

[herculean_wud 3662]

are we forgetting the before these string of dominion wins there were a string of krugmar wins, where members of ur royal family /officials were killed multiple times. 

 

no consequences

 

wat the n?

 

drink some gamer fuel ur not urself w/o gamer fuel

[PraiseTheLord 868]

What will this post achieve except to dwell on the past and vent?

 

EDIT: Btw you guys genocided and killed the Rexes of a Warnation and don't expect blowback. . .

 

[WuHanXianShi14 0]

1 minute ago, grubgoth_wud said:

 

 

We won a lot more than you (Again making statement of fact wont be bogged down arguing semantics w/ anyone) and we weren't raiding your city on a regular cycle with people who had been killed multiple times.

[herculean_wud 3662]

Just now, WuHanXianShi14 said:

 

We won a lot more than you (Again making statement of fact wont be bogged down arguing semantics w/ anyone) and we weren't raiding your city on a regular cycle with people who had been killed multiple times.

 

>killed rex

 

?

 

(imatyz kileld multiple times btw where pk :D)

[Nekkore 641]

Here comes another one

[someome 2053]

Despite the wording and such of the post, please find it in yourselves as you comment on this
to try and keep it civil and not let it get out of hand.

Have a nice day- FM Team

[Bravado 23]

Me, after reading this post.

 

[KeatonUnbeaten 1103]

Jesus christ, what are you? The late roman empire? It's fight or fall buddy.

[Algoda 885]