The Imperial Colilition VRS Crimson Vale

[argonian 14254]

Where did Pholom swear?

[Lym 849]

We are a Town not a guild + we are not harming any other players inside of it, as long as they don't cause trouble.

Imagine someone just wants to attack your Town because you are doing legal things in it. Better explanation why attacking = Higher chances for getting Juvens agreement.

And tbh, I want to fight them because they woke my interest for it. (And about the guild vs guild thing. It would be like 1vs5 because they are asking everyone for help. Is that fair? If it only would be them, alright but I already see a 60 player army in front of the gates.)

[Juvens 199]

What will you gain by a attack? Noone will be there and every chest that includes valuables is protected...only thing you can do is grief...so your motivation of attacking us is griefing player houses? Nice one!

Try what you can't leave. And Hiebe, where the hell is Lord Juvens a criminal? I don't know why everyone misunderstands it if i use my EVIL CHAR(Paladin_Gorn) and do crimes...Lord Juvens submitted no crime. Get it, god damnit.

I support good RP and stuff, but this is simply and only (sorry for the word) bullshit. It's based on metagaming informations and you gain nothing with it. It isn't any guild vs guild thing, we are a town, which supports newbes on the server, if you didn't realize that. Noone here ever thinks of helping people getting a job and so on, only of their own personal gain. I'm offering others, my own donators plot, so they can get something up. I really hate ignorant people as you are, and I mean nearly everyone who posted here.

I'm waiting since 5 days for a reply of a GM(I won't tell the name) for getting my stuff out of my protected chest back, where it seems a GM stolen from... Meanwhile I can do NOTHING! If I would have my stuff, I'd just kill your 6 men go back home and everyone would be happy...

I'll stop arguing here now, since the attack got no use or sense or background NOTHING. Give it a good story, and pm me, then we can talk about it, but not such (use the word I used above).

Greetings

[deathmetus 152]

This is what the server needs some guild vs guild conflict. A war without the ascended or undead.

The ascended do know you are a criminal so we would not come to your defense. The undead would not care even a little if you are destroyed because you are nothing to them. A pawn.

It is not like he is bringing 40 soldiers to the battle. And if it is a guild vs guild it should stay that way. Anyone not in the guilds or allies should be removed from the battlefield or banned.

As for his villain app I was told it was allowed again. So if some non villains want to declare war then they should be allowed.

If I may say, The Crimson Vale is a minor town and not a guild. If you want GUILD vs. GUILD conflict I suggest they attack another guild and not a town that is neutral for the most part. Yes there are some undead who once lived there but currently most if not all the residents are human. And I do mean residents not people who visit mind you.

[Lym 849]

War is not decleard when invaders want to raid. Read the rules of War (again).

Edit: Browsed through the Forums searching for content and look! The author has been banned for soulstoning and logging out while Combat. Witness/Victim: Juvens

Looks like a personal vendetta what explains the Background Story.

[TeaLulu 1783]

War is not decleard when invaders want to raid. Read the rules of War (again).

However, war is declared if you wish to launch a legitimate take over of something. Since Crimson Vale is apparently an official Town of Oren, then by my understanding, it is open to attacks which aim for legitimate takeover of the town. Snowy Fields was a donator plot but was open to takeover attempts by the Undead due to its location and, from my understanding, place as an official town of Oren.

If the rules were such that you could not attempt to legitimately take over a donator base/fort/town in order to root out the evil you believe to be in it, then you could effectively put a town full of all the bandits, criminals, undead, undead supporters, iblees worshippers, et cetera, in a donator plot. And each and every one of them could live there and be safe from any attacks at all; just turn PvP off and you're good to go!

And once again Juvens, I already explained the reasoning behind their wish to attack you and why it is not metagaming, though I am not part of their group nor do I support them in any way. They have a legitimate desire for attacking; They feel you are an evil rooted in the North which provides the Undead an advantage. Legitimate tactics of war are to remove any advantage your foe may have; this includes your town. In addition, they wish to make use of that space as a fortress to fight the undead whom they feel you support. It doesn't matter if you really do or not, they believe, for completely legitimate reasons, that you do. So they do in fact have legitimate reasons for launching a takeover attempt on your town.

I will comment on this no longer, but considering the drama-bomb surrounding it, might I suggest to the thread OP that you arrange a battle on unprotected land between your faction and Crimson Vale? That way you can RPly try to take care of the problem without causing some people to throw a fit.

[VonEbs 1224]

I too have heard of the terrors Crimson Vale has committed in game. Juvens, you say that you are neutral, then why do you allow any army to rally at your city? Also, for as long as I have played on the server, I have heard bad things about you from a lot of people. Not saying that you are a bad person, but if someone wants to knock you down, you can't just say that they are lying and ignorant. Trying to get GMs to stop someones thoughts about attacking you is not being a very good sport either. Crimson Vale claims to be a newbie tow, then why is it located all the way in the north, along the north road, past any distance a noob could walk. Your story has a lot of inconstancies. Also, what did you think, no one would ever catch on and get angry about you having undead allowed in your city?

[Garn 14]

When war is involved it does not matter if one side is good or bad if the aggressors have a legitimate reason for attacking. They are not attacking to raid or steal but to deal with a percieved enemy. Anyone that builds in the north should expect a war.

[Archmage_Cataris 622]

I thought both of the leaders have to agree to a battle?

So wait, the other leader has to be warned and then you can actually assault them?

Im so confused on the rules of war right now. . .

[susitsu 871]

Things to note: VIP protected chests using lockette are not allowed to be touched. No mindless greifing, if this attack happens, your goal is to BREAK INTO the city and hunt down anyone there. Not mindlessly break blocks so, no going and stealing all our walls or glowstone lamps, because that is not an attack of any sort, that's mindless greifing/stealing. Personally if I'm present, I welcome your puny attack because even if I don't participate in Juvens other characters stuff, I still live there with a nice home an Elf would be envious of(Nice and naturalistic). And we do have a number of villains work here AS WELL as good people. No conflicts allowed in the city. Anything you actually know of that has happened in city IS meta unless you saw it and got away without SSing((Unless you're Lothiriel/TehLulu, I know for a fact she knows things)). Even the good guys who hang within the city know that the executed people were justified. But as was said before, bring it on, defending my home, we get loot, you don't remember the attack and you can't come back for your stuff. We celebrate with Ale.

ASLO: If we're apart of Oren, you're attacking Oren? Really?

[Juvens 199]

Since some question occured I'll answer them:

As you said, we are a part of Oren, also let everyone inside who wants, aslong as he doesn't wear weapons. We don't care, if it's a human, dwarf, elf or orc, aslong as the person got maners. As Pholom stated, he uses metaknowledge, a GM even told him(I think it was Architecus?) to forget what happened IC...Lulu, you say I'm evil, but you KNOW my character doesn't commit evil things. We had 3 undeads in our city, 1 lived there...and he left...that isn't undead supporting. Supporting would be if I would give them endless supplies of golden staffs, and say we are an undead town, but I don't.

This guy isn't a villain, so he got NO right to attack an neutral town, which is a part of Oren, besides.

Edit:

I never got any GMs or something like that here. So don't accuse me of being unfair...even if, that would be fair.

He can attack, if he got an Villain app...and everybody who is with him got one aswell. Then he doesn't need a reason. Saying I'm evil, just because of any rumors that runs around, isn't a legit reason. Otherwise I'll start running around now and kill people because they look like the guy who stolen my golden sword?...Think before you write!

Greetings

[Garn 14]

It does not matter if you consider yourself neutral. The other guild considers you an enemy. Both sides could be good or villains it does not matter. They have made you the enemy. The server needs more of this.

[susitsu 871]

It does not matter if you consider yourself neutral. The other guild considers you an enemy. Both sides could be good or villains it does not matter. They have made you the enemy. The server needs more of this.

"Other guild" Garn, I love your funny posts on the forum, but gotta do this. WE ARE NOT A GUILD.

[Juvens 199]

We don't just claim it, it's our lore... they don't even have a lore so no war will occur. And Garn, if you don't know the backgroundstory just quit it and do some research stuff...this is just an try to revenge his ban, so metagaming.

Greetings

Edit/OffTopic:

Above me we can see the 666th post of susitsu... *shivers*

:P

[TeaLulu 1783]

Juvens apparently you have not read any of my posts through. They do have a legitimate reason because it is very likely that the one close friend of mine who is with them told them everything I told him. That includes the following;

1) Former and current undead supporters congregating at your town.

2) Undead being allowed to live in your town.

3) The hunting down and murder of someone for not agreeing with your philosophies and no longer wishing to do any business with you.

4) Outside of Crimson Vale I was walking along and heard shouting(Yes, they DID use /s) from what I presume was inside (as I saw no other people around me and that is the most likely place for it to come from.) The shouts consisted of the following: "Council members! Let us prepare for war! Ready your staffs!" Knowing I had seen undead in and around your town before, I ran to Oren, informed the guard to be wary of any travellers from the north, then ran to Krugmar, assuming that if it was indeed Undead (Which is obviously was consider the location and the reference to staffs and war), they would most likely strike Krugmar, being that they had attacked Sanhar monthly (daily in real time). Already an army was preparing for a possible war at Sanjezal and I told them what I overheard in the north. About a half hour later the Undead finally showed up and thusly proceeded the defense of Sanjezal.

Once again, it does not matter if they are right or wrong or if you are a villain or consider yourself neutral or not. The fact of the matter, this is MORE than enough evidence to sway any person of good-heart to attempt to root out what they PERCEIVE to be YOUR EVIL from the north. They do NOT need villain apps to wage this war.