Where's Mick?

[Pancho 4197]

Just now, Mirvam said:

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

Crazy how this applies here, practice what you preach my mans

[TheBigBubbles 963]

I've roleplayed with Mick, and he's always seemed actually fairly decent in that regard. I dont know much on the situation, and I think its been years since I've interacted with  him, but he should at least be told what he's banned for, and have it explained to him in detail. If that can't be provided, then he ought not to be banned.

 

Of course, if he's being banned for something that has seriously impacted someone oocly, wherein its being hidden from him to keep that person's identity safe, I fully understand that, but without such prior knowledge on the situation, I can only say that this seems unfair.

[Werew0lf 24180]

8 minutes ago, Pancho said:

I don't know why Mick was originally banned, nor did I have any say in it. I only knew after the fact, but this was also sent to me after the fact so I have zero sympathy for the guy. Spreading around logs of when someone was a minor is kinda strange, but at the end of the day it's his call not mine.

 

panchoii my good adult friend. 

 

dont ERP and u wont have logs to spread.

 

hopefully you take in this great wisdom. 

[Pancho 4197]

1 minute ago, Werew0lf said:

 

panchoii my good adult friend. 

 

dont ERP and u wont have logs to spread.

 

hopefully you take in this great wisdom. 

Werew0lf, I love you man, but that was over two years ago. I am 19 now. Do the math.

Sincerely, your 18th favorite xannite, -Panchoii

[Werew0lf 24180]

1 minute ago, Pancho said:

Werew0lf, I love you man, but that was over two years ago. I am 19 now. Do the math.

Sincerely, your 18th favorite xannite, -Panchoii

 

this is why i said adult friend. ur 19 now. being 17 doesnt make u braindead btw. it doesnt negate responsibility. but i trust you now. i believe uve changed. 

[Pancho 4197]

Just now, Werew0lf said:

this is why i said adult friend. ur 19 now. 

At the time of those logs I was 17. Which is why I say it's weird that people are obsessed over them. Though I have taken your advice, for over two years to be precise.

[Werew0lf 24180]

Just now, Pancho said:

At the time of those logs I was 17. Which is why I say it's weird that people are obsessed over them. Though I have taken your advice, for over two years to be precise.

 

thats good. but wheres mick? where is he man? was it you? did you lose mick? who was it ?

[Pancho 4197]

1 minute ago, Werew0lf said:

where is he man?

 Dispatch the elite squad

[Nooblius 7965]

I would like to input some cents into this, as someone who has had a genuine beef with Mick in the past, and very real beef that I think both of us would mostly stand by, even if both of us would wish that we sorted it out sooner.

 

I have fairly actively known about the dealings of Mickaelhz on this server since late 2019. This guy likes conflict, and is quite serious about his like of conflict. This used to frustrate me, before I began to realize that if conflict was inherently bad, then it might as well not be on the server at all. I asked myself what the better way of engaging in banditry would be, and realized that a lot of that were things Mickaelhz tried to do. He has a documented history on the forums of discussing things about villainy and banditry, and how to improve them. I don't think  it's facetious, even when I agree with him at times.

 

I have actually come to find Mick more good natured, curious about RP-culture and supportive of new players than most players I've met on the server. This is obvious with Myrine, and the Marenos which have come afterward. For the Ferrymen- well, I would challenge to find a Ferryman who doesn't have an actual character while Mick has been in charge, especially in recent memory. Long gone are the OOC pvp union (which I think is undeniable, sorry mick) of the early days. Sam's character became a lich, and was highly involved in eventlines.

 

I don't know the context of the ban with certainty, but from what I do know it had something to do with talking about potential future wars OOCly. Unless there is more to it than I know (and I would advocate that especially in context of the players wanting to discuss their bans more even if publicly, I would just show the evidence publicly) then I would ask why was he banned? 

 

I loathe the concept that people are afraid of doing raids and wars against their friends. When I left the dwarves, my next character advocated for war against them. This was not because I hated the community I had just been in for years- but it was because I did not want war anyone if it was so terrible a thing as to not wish it with your friends. Is this not a roleplay server? Do we not have admins, and moderators? Why would we have mechanics if their use is fundamentally against the good of communities? Just go the Telanir option, and make war consensual if it is so terrible that you don't trust players to orchestrate it.

 

Is it because he has an OOC disagreement with certain communities? Feuds? I would actually agree with the policy that is something the admins should be heavy handed in- but then if they are to do it, let it be done in a way that improves the server, rather than rewards the weaponization of bans. It is not like Mick's feuds are one sided- and I remind the reader that I say this from a point of experience. Feuds are bad for the server, and their affect on dilluting Roleplay should be ruled over by Administration and Moderators- but I really think they were heavy handed with this, and very one sided, at least to any information I have seen, and from things I have heard from admins personally. If there is some great elaborate plot to it OOCly that is totally disconnected from RP- then fair enough. But, I would tell anyone who says there is no RP narrative of fighting between Marenos and Haense to look at the last major was on the server, and consider the OOC tensions there. Were they remotely one sided? Does anyone really think that both sides of that don't have people who have OOC discussions about should that war rise again, who will fight it? I would prefer that actions were taken that diminished OOC schemeing for wars, and gave guidelines on to what was specifically wrong, and ACTIVE efforts to ask NLs to stop this, and confront them on things you expect they may be doing wrong.

 

Immediate metaplay bans with no asking the banned player what their side of it is, for three months before they can even tell their side of the story, without any guidelines is absurd, and unnecessary. This only rewards a more devious OOC plotting, where it is kept more well hidden and rewards OOCly tricking people so you can catch them in the act, and snitch on it. As it stands, with unclear rules, really any degree of OOC conduct if it involves conflict RP can be construed as Metaplay, and all that matters is how convincing it is.

 

These are my thoughts as a former dwarf rival of Mick, and in that context I plainly say just communicate with the guy; he's not the devil.

 

I will make a post hopefully soon outlining some more thoughts of mine with specific solutions to take positive action against Metaplay, which I genuinely believe is a scourge to the server.

[The Tough Guy 4319]

21 minutes ago, Pancho said:

I don't know why Mick was originally banned, nor did I have any say in it. I only knew after the fact, but this was also sent to me after the fact so I have zero sympathy for the guy. Spreading around logs of when someone was a minor is kinda strange, but at the end of the day it's his call not mine.

 

https://youtube.com/shorts/n3x1TMOxIxg?si=Pi-b_1FEA1P_d-IN

[Pancho 4197]

3 minutes ago, xMuted said:

 

https://youtube.com/shorts/n3x1TMOxIxg?si=Pi-b_1FEA1P_d-IN

Never mind I take back everything I said 

#FreeMick it’s the only way to stop my boys tummy ache

[libertyybelle 6187]

Mick and I have a long extensive relationship that I think is relatively complicated. He once tricked me and my benevolent kindness and I ended up being tossed into an endless void. Though I digress.😛

Mick can be a really wonderful person when he wants to be and I have plenty of good memories with him. I also know that Mick has a tendency to be a bit wreckless and do and say hurtful things when he is upset. 

I am all for second chances and I have done plenty of things that I am not proud of so in spirit of that I wouldn't mind him coming back on the terms of him ACTUALLY making an effort not to be toxic. There has been recent things that are questionably put and somethings I think he as an adult could have handled better. I know Mick is capable of being a good person but he also sometimes lacks the self control to do it. He is a very talented roleplayer and person. If he is unbanned I hope he uses that stuff to contribute to the overall story and progression of LOTC instead of getting trapped in the usual toxicity playing field that he tends to get attracted to. 

[Smmer 2441]

Keep him banned 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Lil bro played phasmo w out me, f that. Rustlers r the new ferrymen, on gang. ‼️‼️💯

 

 

 

(Yo fr tho, unban my boyfriend and mick. Stop being silly little goobers 😌)

21 minutes ago, xMuted said:

 

https://youtube.com/shorts/n3x1TMOxIxg?si=Pi-b_1FEA1P_d-IN

 

Where’s ur propeller hat, who is this

[Masouri 2735]

I have known Mick for the duration of the time I've been on LOTC. He was apart of the dwarven clan I joined and was willing to teach me the ropes of this server along with many other noobs. I've only known Mick to be truly caring about people and he goes out of his way for people. I've seen his work first hand whether it was Urguan, Krugmar, Myrine, or the Ferrymen, Mick has always done his best to bring up communities using his skill set. Never have I seen Mick hate another person out of character that has not truly deserved it (pedophiles). 

 

Mick and I have had our disagreements, and yet we still remain friends. I fought on the opposing side of the war with many of my old friends. Although many of my old friends have only shown me hate and malice since then, Mick has risen above this. He has made clear to me that he does not care for the 'mineman schemes' and 'omg kill haense' like most of the people who he surrounds himself with. To this day, Mick and I have had many laughs and talks about his vacations and current life. If this does not show you that Mick could not care more about the happenings of a minecraft server, I don't know what will. He simply does not have the interest or care to 'metaplay' against his 'minecraft enemies'. 

 

Mick does have a unique way of playing this server that contrasts the majority of people. He enjoys conflict and the narrative that is driven from it. I do not think it is right to punish a player for his way of having fun on this server. The roleplay Mick and his group has done, whether it be conflict or worldbuilding, add value to this server. 

 

Please reconsider his ban. Even under the most damning evidence of metaplay (which I am convinced there is none), there should be infractions given rather than full-on bans. This rule is enforced arbitrarily and I believe this is the perfect example of it.

 

 

 

[OBJCTION 43]

FREE MICKAEHLZ!!!!