[✗] [Magic Lore] Eshtael's Seraphs

[ProcaPro 557]

This is a very intriguing magic. I hope I get the chance to interact with it if it goes through, the character possibility is cool. I will say things like vaults and such might need a tweak for the sake of how it affects other's characters, but I'm not an ST and so I am not perhaps the best to say 'oh this and this'. Either way, fantastic piece, here's hoping it makes it!
 

[framalam 837]

this is overpowered as FUUUUUCK. the third prayer spell with the chains is literally a medieval machine gun emplacement. why would you EVER use an arbalest when you can use HUGE CHAINS THAT BREAK BONE!

 

all the aura spells are lowkey really powerful as well, and considering they DONT SLOW MOVEMENT WHATSOEVER, a medium armor wearing seraph, could, after casting, move 8 blocks toward, but just out of reach of an enemy, and then half that enemy’s movement while they’re fleeing.

 

similarly, the prayer that slows movement.. can be activated by a javelin??? wtf?? and seraphs are impervious to every trap laid??

 

cool concepts, but i agree that some of these dont really feel eshtaelite. feels very much like a good guy magic instead of a total balance magic. inevitably, this is going to get stacked with kani both combatively and aesthetically, and also, the whole point of eshtael is balance - why are dark magics banned? how is blood magic, or mysticism, making the world unbalanced? if esthael dgaf abt xan dying, then why would she care whether her chosen are heralds? i also thought there was an embargo on eshtael but wtv.

 

cool formatting

[Althea_ 381]

Great work!

I believe this might be just the one, after some alterations highlighted by the ST's review.

[𝑓𝑖𝑙𝑖𝑎𝑙𝑠 815]

3 hours ago, framalam said:

this is overpowered as FUUUUUCK. the third prayer spell with the chains is literally a medieval machine gun emplacement. why would you EVER use an arbalest when you can use HUGE CHAINS THAT BREAK BONE!

 

all the aura spells are lowkey really powerful as well, and considering they DONT SLOW MOVEMENT WHATSOEVER, a medium armor wearing seraph, could, after casting, move 8 blocks toward, but just out of reach of an enemy, and then half that enemy’s movement while they’re fleeing.

 

similarly, the prayer that slows movement.. can be activated by a javelin??? wtf?? and seraphs are impervious to every trap laid??

 

cool concepts, but i agree that some of these dont really feel eshtaelite. feels very much like a good guy magic instead of a total balance magic. inevitably, this is going to get stacked with kani both combatively and aesthetically, and also, the whole point of eshtael is balance - why are dark magics banned? how is blood magic, or mysticism, making the world unbalanced? if esthael dgaf abt xan dying, then why would she care whether her chosen are heralds? i also thought there was an embargo on eshtael but wtv.

 

cool formatting

 

it honestly did not occur to me that someone would try to aura + sprint as sprinting is a major action and obviously should not be stackable, and i agree sustained spells should have a movement slow for balancing as most flamethrowers and the like have this drawback, will add these redlines as it was an oversight and not the intention of the balancing tyy

 

also aengul-based holy magics by virtue of being aengul-based holy magics are not compatible with other deific or dark magics, at least as far as im aware. templarism, paladinism, written expectations for tah clerics, etc all have very similar compatibilites as modern-day magics n seem 2 b set standard, if lt expresses desire for compatibility changes im happy to change them.

 

i dont really see an issue with kani stacking since you'd have to dc from other magics for like two or three turns before you're able to reconnect per kani lore (at least that is my understanding of kani lore, i am not a kani player) and you obviously could not dual cast kani+seraph because that explodes ur soul as it would with any two magic sources

 

eshtael isnt on embargo which ud know if u had read the fall lore update, and u should also probably learn how to leave constructive feedback instead of being weird

 

4 hours ago, ProcaPro said:

This is a very intriguing magic. I hope I get the chance to interact with it if it goes through, the character possibility is cool. I will say things like vaults and such might need a tweak for the sake of how it affects other's characters, but I'm not an ST and so I am not perhaps the best to say 'oh this and this'. Either way, fantastic piece, here's hoping it makes it!
 

 

vaults have already existed on the server (albeit in a slightly different manner) re: sunwells for more info

[Agy 756]

First things first: I LOVE THIS!!! This here magic absolutely has the potential of being one wonderfully unique thing if done correctly and the post made me properly learn of Esthael who is absolutely one heck of an interesting Aengul that has a ton of potential for creating stories, I can see nothing but interesting interactions spawning from the Seraphs and all the other Magics/Creatures that roam the lands of Aevos should this be accepted!
And truth be told, (and I know I am inherently biased when I say this) I much prefer a magic such as this as opposed to what might as well be Paladins 2.0.

With that all said, I really do think that the whole "Balance" section should be more properly explained in its function as well as vision, otherwise you run the risk of the Seraphs having to guess (Whether OOCly or IRPly) as to what a "Balanced World" look likes entirely on their own, pretty much being akin to an irp philosophy than an actual mechanic of the MA.
I mean in a hypothetical scenario, say the Seraphs got accepted today or back when Gashadokuro and the Deadmen were the main big baddies of the land, would the Seraphs act against him and his forces? If yes, then what would a scenario of the balance being tipped too much on the side of "good" look like?

 

I'm obviously not asking for any manner of strict tenets, the whole core premise of the Seraphs is their moral..."flexibility" so to say, but some guidance to ensure their pursuit of maintaining balance doesn't result in It being twisted and abused for personal gain is extremely important...!
In either case, wish you best of luck Ibleesian!! This a beautiful and exceptionally creative piece! :}

 

 

[frvma 1014]

Some questions I have.

 

What is Eshtael's lore reasoning to not see her Seraph’s as beings not strong enough to cause imbalance? I.E. Wouldn't a Seraph existing inherently cause an imbalance in the scale towards Eshtael; what's her reasoning for not seeing it as an issue?

 

How can someone break free/how can other combatant free someone of the chains in the spells? Really overpowered to just trap someone that's not in a vault and not give them a way out outside of "Olog strength or higher." 

 

A lot of this doesn't seem very Eshtael themed. Eshtael isn't supposed to be a "good guy" or loosely "good" themed. She doesn't care about either side, she just wants balance. So I don't know why she wouldn't accept Heralds, non descendant races, Mysticism, Blood Magic, etc. If you can bring balance you're good to her.

 

 

 

[𝑓𝑖𝑙𝑖𝑎𝑙𝑠 815]

 

1 hour ago, caerliwelydd said:

Some questions I have.

 

What is Eshtael's lore reasoning to not see her Seraph’s as beings not strong enough to cause imbalance? I.E. Wouldn't a Seraph existing inherently cause an imbalance in the scale towards Eshtael; what's her reasoning for not seeing it as an issue?

 

How can someone break free/how can other combatant free someone of the chains in the spells? Really overpowered to just trap someone that's not in a vault and not give them a way out outside of "Olog strength or higher." 

 

A lot of this doesn't seem very Eshtael themed. Eshtael isn't supposed to be a "good guy" or loosely "good" themed. She doesn't care about either side, she just wants balance. So I don't know why she wouldn't accept Heralds, non descendant races, Mysticism, Blood Magic, etc. If you can bring balance you're good to her.

 

 

 

 

Because its her magic, same reason tah doesnt see his own clerics as impure. Ur literally writing a magic where this is the case.

 

I also think there might be some misconceptions about Eshtael or perhaps my own interpretation is different. I do not believe Eshtael is "pro dark magic" in the sense that she would want her mages killing people for funsies like a naz would; or tearing peoples souls apart like a mystic. they do serve a purpose and "evil" has its place in the balance but doing those things are meant to be carried out by the things/people whos purpose it is to do so. otherwise wouldnt she have jumped in to start committing atrocities herself like when gazardiel wanted to reset the world or the other "morally questionable" things shes done? its all been sitting back and letting other people do bad things. I think of her balance more as threat suppression and less like shes directly taking tea parties to moz'strimoza to be evil with them. And incompatibilty =/= inherently thinks people of those groups should go off themselves.

 

also like not sure why eshtael would want the people shes chosen to be bending the knee to other deities/forces that are literally in direct opposition of what shes trying to do

 

Here's a direct quote from her lore post which should hopefully sum in succinct fashion, "Her goal is good, but it may not be seen as good in the eyes of others. She will not act if it does not threaten balance, and her non-intervention could lead to the deaths of many." Hence why I believe her actions are more about threat suppression than actively contributing to one side or the other (which being connected to said holy/dark magic would encourage said seraph to directly and actively contribute to one side or the other)

 

unsure which chain spell you're talking about in particular but all of them with the exception of aura of denial state that they do their effect and then dissipate. there isnt a single spell on the roster where you can hold someone in place, and even aura of denial does not fully negate movement or hold someone in place.

 

re what i said above about compatibility and my views on eshtaels actions

[frvma 1014]

9 minutes ago, ibleesian said:

Because its her magic, same reason tah doesnt see his own clerics as impure. Ur literally writing a magic where this is the case.

Right, but, Tahariae doesn't really need a reason to say why his Clerics aren't impure, he's a hypocrite, a weird Aengul. I wouldn't say the same for Eshtael who cares so much about balance. I'd expect in a new magic for her to go into why she feels it's necessary to get out of hiding somewhat to give magic. Inherently causing an imbalance and her reasonings why. 

[Agy 756]

1 hour ago, caerliwelydd said:

I wouldn't say the same for Eshtael who cares so much about balance. I'd expect in a new magic for her to go into why she feels it's necessary to get out of hiding somewhat to give magic. Inherently causing an imbalance and her reasonings why. 

I mean in a sense the Seraphs could be argued to be a metaphorical "extension" of Eshtael herself and given the fact that she never saw herself as upsetting the balance when she was very much a powerful force that beat up dragons and aenguldaemonic entities on the regular and locked them away for all of eternity- I think her actions would in a sense be "upsetting" the balance, but only towards her own idealized view of what a "balanced" world looks like.

[Stag 3229]

I always liked Eshtael the best and had plans for them when I was ET back in 2014ish. Very happy to see this !! 

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