I Am Green and I choose for you.

[Samson Option 9652]

5 hours ago, RezRatKeia said:

I'd comment, but I would hate to bark up the wrong tree 

 

Absolute f_cking bars.

[Suzzie 866]

Wowj has pretty much said what I was thinking.

 

Look, I sympathize. It really sucks to lose your character, and it really sucks that the playerbase developed a culture opposite to what the redlines state- that leaves you feeling off-guard, and that's no good feeling.
 

I'm sorry that it ended the way it did for you, but it really boils down to redlines here. Hopefully amendments can lead to less heartbreak and frustration in the future. 

2 hours ago, hearth. said:

 

You would think so, but it's a pretty tough decision between letting the community self-regulate and staff getting to decide who lives and dies in a much more direct way.

 

Also no, because Druidism/Aspect lore was never written like other magics comparatively to say, Seer.

As someone said prior, the Aspects are like when dad went to get milk and never came back. They literally never get involved ever, unlike some other Aenguls. I wouldn't say it's a tough decision, more just how the magic.. is. 

[Crevel 7557]

If you guys spent as much time complaining on the forums about an ST cabal as you did reading your relevant lore and roleplaying with your sapling, you probably wouldn't be in this mess you created with your own negligence. When you engage in lore, it is your responsibility to ensure that you actually read your lore, and follow anything related to it instead of just relying on John Treef Ucker's word that "it's ok to ignore the lore bro, nothing will go wrong since we've been ok this long". It is okay to cope, but don't be seething and accusing others of being out to get you.

[Wizzar 613]

There are a few things that I think should be recognized:

 

1. We are on a minecraft roleplay server.
2. We are all trying to have fun here. (emphasis on "trying")

3. Selective enforcement of vague rules will almost always feel targeted, especially when the community is small and interconnected.

I agree with those that say CAs have consequences, and CA holders should be ready to face those consequences. 

That being said, I think we often double down on these types of punishments purely for the sake of argument or proving a point. What I think is the issue is that ST could have so easily ruled the other way. What harm would it have caused for ST to give a warning? For ST to have sent the druids in question a message saying - "Please do Y or X will be your consequence". 

Obviously, nothing requires ST to behave in the aforementioned way BUT I think there were many ways to handle this that were more amicable in nature. That showed that ST are here to work with and promote fun in the community.

TLDR: ST could have handled this better. Lets promote fun. It was not important for the community to force PK these players, it was a deliberate interpretation of the rules for an outcome (whether ST desired it or not). 

I HAVE NO SKIN IN THIS GAME I JUST LIKE TYPING 
 

[greisn 365]

i heard overall the event was pretty fun for both sides though so +1
it's unlucky that you got redline checked, i get that a lot of self enforced maintenance rp is needless fluff until it matters

[i.uomini 2552]

this is why most of the server just larps as medieval peasants or ambitious nobles.
Hvmanity on top.
but yea that doesnt change the fact that a whole bunch of ST stuff is hard to understand. I hope that will be fixed.

[PrimnyaQuorum 3998]

It’s a weird situation where no one who did the RP did anything wrong and yet stuff goes south. I think it’s a fair question to ask why so many staff members were on standby for what was, essentially, a normal raid and why ST has actively chosen to both

a) acknowledge and accept the horrific state treelord is in

b) choose to ignore it and enforce redlines and mechanics that are so incredibly out of date.

 

I do not buy for a single second that ST is “helpless” to proactively find and fix bad lore. I think they, alongside moderation, choose to instead use it as a honeypot to be able to issue infractions and negatively effect players, instead of positively preventing it from happening to begin with.

 

Why do we really care if someone did the mandatory 30 day clause of just mechanically moving a sapling to their inventory and then back into secure storage? Yes, many people have donned the robotic tone of “well you signed up for it!” Who equally choose to ignore that Druidic players have attempted to address this issue before and have been shut down repeatedly. All this tells me is that ST is both aware and content with these mechanics, which just means they’re more out of touch with the server.

 

it just sucks. No one in the actual raid, it seems, really did anything out of wack in RP or OOCly. It would be more fair to say staff have someone decided sticking to the outdated treelord lore and enforcing it blindly is better (don’t ask what they don’t enforce in other lores) and 3 players got the short end of an activity check that does not exist anywhere on LoTC lore. 
 

The best thing to do going forward imo would be for players and staff to cooperatively and quickly patch up treelord lore while a new write is undertaken. I have my own opinions on things obv (:3) but frankly none of the smug quips or “My group won stop losing loser!” Remarks helps. People are allowed to feel upset at stuff the same way most of you are allowed to say half the things you say regularly.

 

Genuinely if you spent half the time you mald about the minemans opps just skimming your lore from the perspective of “does this look enjoyable for anyone” you could probably write something better than half the replies here

[Mestvin 947]

"Rules for thee but not for me"

 

Call me an idiot but never a liar.

 

People who are trying to have fun on lotc are living the fools dream. After all, i still have people seething that they couldnt find legit access to darkspawn lair at offline hours to pk several draugrs, so they instead try to seethe on people affiliated with me. The circle of hate never ends, dogs bark and the carousel goes on. 

(Lil navigator below is a prime example.)

 

I hope you find peace where you will lurk now Fooldude.
 

[Chimeraof1999 1187]

How will this st and lemonke back and forth effect the azhl prices?

[Navigator 4260]

1 hour ago, Mestvin said:

snip

Nothingburger ass comment from a guy who makes nothingburger ass comments. Will post my actual thoughts on the matter in a minute here.

 

OOC Unfairness;

Will be my briefest comment on the matter. I will list three main things that, from reading the main post and the 7 pages of comments (98 replies), is consistent:
- You were given thirty days to do the bare minimum.

- You were given the opportunity to log on via a freeze.

- You put saplings in a chest?? Lol??

 

Lore Inconsistency & ST Enforcement;

I will also be brief here because I'm only a bum ass Event Team member and don't know much about how LT Enforcement works, so, it's not my place to make comments regarding that. But. If a community at large agrees and knows that an aspect of their lore is outdated and obsolete, here's a novel idea; rewrite it. I understand rewrites - specially for something as big as a treelords - take time, but to my understanding, no effort has gone into fixing the issue.

 

So it's useless to whine about it when your obsolete lore turns out to be - you guessed it - obsolete. 

 

I am Green and Choose for you;

Evidently, when you as a player cannot roleplay, understand, moderate or apply veredicts on your own lore, thats where staff steps in? I don't think this is a wild take to have or opinion to hold. If the players can't decide, don't know, are unsure, or can't make a verdict on the matter... then it falls on the appropriate people to do so, and guide/help the players. It's simple math. 1 + 1 = 2. But I guess that's not kino anymore and everything needs to be a gigantic ST conspiracy.

 

CA PK Contracts;

To the people waving this argument over fooldude's head, you're lifeless losers. All of you would be up in flames if you and 5 of your friends also got PK'd for a situation with obsolete lore and confusing OOC rulings. Hindsight is 20/20, don't act like upstanding moral weirdos who go 'well you agreed to this!!'. It's easy saying that when you're not the one in the shit. I got cannibalized and I learned for the first time what it was to feel genuinely pissed off at the outcome of a roleplay situation and I hated how it made me feel, and that's not even a PK, so I can only imagine how fooldude and the other treelords feel, irregardless of the context. Stop being losers, learn some empathy.

[Beardicuss 486]

How will this effect the local trout population?

[Chimeraof1999 1187]

3 minutes ago, Beardicuss said:

How will this effect the local trout population?

st signed trout or

1 hour ago, PrimnyaQuorum said:

It’s a weird situation where no one who did the RP did anything wrong and yet stuff goes south. I think it’s a fair question to ask why so many staff members were on standby for what was, essentially, a normal raid and why ST has actively chosen to both

a) acknowledge and accept the horrific state treelord is in

b) choose to ignore it and enforce redlines and mechanics that are so incredibly out of date.

 

I do not buy for a single second that ST is “helpless” to proactively find and fix bad lore. I think they, alongside moderation, choose to instead use it as a honeypot to be able to issue infractions and negatively effect players, instead of positively preventing it from happening to begin with.

 

Why do we really care if someone did the mandatory 30 day clause of just mechanically moving a sapling to their inventory and then back into secure storage? Yes, many people have donned the robotic tone of “well you signed up for it!” Who equally choose to ignore that Druidic players have attempted to address this issue before and have been shut down repeatedly. All this tells me is that ST is both aware and content with these mechanics, which just means they’re more out of touch with the server.

 

it just sucks. No one in the actual raid, it seems, really did anything out of wack in RP or OOCly. It would be more fair to say staff have someone decided sticking to the outdated treelord lore and enforcing it blindly is better (don’t ask what they don’t enforce in other lores) and 3 players got the short end of an activity check that does not exist anywhere on LoTC lore. 
 

The best thing to do going forward imo would be for players and staff to cooperatively and quickly patch up treelord lore while a new write is undertaken. I have my own opinions on things obv (:3) but frankly none of the smug quips or “My group won stop losing loser!” Remarks helps. People are allowed to feel upset at stuff the same way most of you are allowed to say half the things you say regularly.

 

Genuinely if you spent half the time you mald about the minemans opps just skimming your lore from the perspective of “does this look enjoyable for anyone” you could probably write something better than half the replies here

this is probably the first and probably only time I will genuinely agree with you on something, good point Prim. <3

[PrimnyaQuorum 3998]

5 minutes ago, Chimeraof1999 said:

st signed trout or

this is probably the first and probably only time I will genuinely agree with you on something, good point Prim. <3

This is how it begins for everyone don’t worry

16 minutes ago, Navigator said:

Lore Inconsistency & ST Enforcement;

I will also be brief here because I'm only a bum ass Event Team member and don't know much about how LT Enforcement works, so, it's not my place to make comments regarding that. But. If a community at large agrees and knows that an aspect of their lore is outdated and obsolete, here's a novel idea; rewrite it. I understand rewrites - specially for something as big as a treelords - take time, but to my understanding, no effort has gone into fixing the issue.

 

So it's useless to whine about it when your obsolete lore turns out to be - you guessed it - obsolete.

theyve tried. you gotta look through the lore and not chime in from the naz side of 10 thousand amendments from players and ST 💔

[Chimeraof1999 1187]

9 hours ago, PolarLoLs said:

Nah, i mean they're the ones that made it possible, its on them and their fault completely. If i was a druagar back on Aevos and i told all my friends yo lets shove all our phylacteries in a room together!!! The next day someone went for only one and saw the multiple why wouldn't they go for the others? whos fault is that? sure an entire group would get FUCKED but maybe we should have been smarter

 

That means nothing, maybe they shouldnt have been RPing if their PK's were still being discussed, even then an easily believable RP reason could be made ya just yappin. Yeah it sucks to lose future plans but there is always a workaround to things, you guys are acting like every treelord got shot, that just isnt true. it is not the end of the world, look at the mass naz dc, look at MY naz dc, i had alot of future plans for it but i didnt crash out or go complain its unfair, it was my blunder that caused it but now im doing better than i would have WITH naz. It is not the end of the world, y'all need to lock it in

This just doesnt paint druids in a good light at all, y'all are new to this conflict shit i can tell

speaking on draugar, I've had this experience. Not the shoving phylacteries with other draugers but poor roleplay when it comes to a group. If you aren't careful in regards to what you do with your group, you will suffer the consequences of being not careful. The guy who owned the house was outed to be a necromancer, and then a person who use to live in that house [later found out it wasn't the same character] went to that house with others, looked at my pot and thought "Hmmmm, this pot is suspicious" and then threw it into a pit of lava, pking my draugar. 

 

My point in this response is, as much as I shit on Polar, he makes a point; Don't clump valuable items that are the lifeline of your character into one place and then be upset when it's found.

[PrimnyaQuorum 3998]

19 minutes ago, Chimeraof1999 said:

speaking on draugar, I've had this experience. Not the shoving phylacteries with other draugers but poor roleplay when it comes to a group. If you aren't careful in regards to what you do with your group, you will suffer the consequences of being not careful. The guy who owned the house was outed to be a necromancer, and then a person who use to live in that house [later found out it wasn't the same character] went to that house with others, looked at my pot and thought "Hmmmm, this pot is suspicious" and then threw it into a pit of lava, pking my draugar. 

 

My point in this response is, as much as I shit on Polar, he makes a point; Don't clump valuable items that are the lifeline of your character into one place and then be upset when it's found.

I cannot find a singular treelord who has expressed this sentiment about what happened