corcitura salt lore fix

[Hawkeye_Gough 624]

This would improve rp by ensuring that vampires have a way around meaningless salt-spam while also preserving a way to put them if they aren't careful.

 

Good enough for me +100

[DISCOLIQUID 2701]

3 hours ago, ReveredOwl said:

Wouldn't literally every vampire who would be tested, with the proper rp suspicions and reasoning for testing them (a previous example of why I tested someone was because they matched the description of a vampire, like matched it exactly, of a vampire who attacked someone) just say they're not in a thirsting state and simply pass? Who is there to determine if they are in a thirsting state or not, couldn't they simply just say that they are not to avoid any consequences?

 

✦) Wouldn't literally every gate guard who knows about your FA or merely suspects you're a vampire OOC'ly, just say they're only testing you because they test most people who come through the gates? Who is there to determine if this is metagaming? Couldn't they simply just say they test most people to avoid any consequences?

 

✦) Players with FAs are held to a higher standard than players who merely acquire salt items that are player-signed. One requires an application, a teacher, set in stone redlines. The other could be literally anyone, and while there is a team dedicated specifically to power-gaming, which is easily provable, metagaming (which is far more pernicious) is much more difficult to prove. 

 

✦) You do not need to know someone is a darkspawn in order to follow up on consequences. You, seemingly, are seeking consequences where their "evil" is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Just kill or arrest them, and submit to morally grey RP. Much like the real world, where innocent people are arrested and punished daily, guilty people often go free due to the fact you cannot often prove or know things for sure. Even DNA tests are often wildly inaccurate. 

 

✦) "I tested someone was because they matched the description of a vampire."  Did you test everyone who looked like that?

 

✦) This is a baffling assumption that all corcitura players are lying powergamers that borders on a comical association that someone playing an "evil character" must also be evil themselves out of character. 

 

2 hours ago, ReveredOwl said:

Also something [DISGUISE ROLEPLAY] I think needs some significant improvement on. I dislike how easily it is to simply change your entire appearance because you've been caught, not just different hair colour, completely change the structure of your face and what not just to avoid consequences

 

✦) Wouldn't the complete and utter abandonment of your last identity come with consequences? You cannot live in a city, maintain a double life with alliances who don't know you're a vampire, and then go full Clavicular under the knife & come back the next day and keep all your political contacts. I think, again, you mean avoid a situation that becomes black and white morally. Roleplay that boils down to provable heroism, where the "good guy" wins, and the "bad guy" dies. 

 

✦) What do you mean by avoid consequences? What is this obsession with consequences? Has there ever been any consequence to you slaughtering tiny innocent baby vampires, who are only trying to drink a little blood, show a little fang, and wave their cloaks around like a bat? Most Corcs are basically mall goths. 

 

✦) Why are you voicing this on a lore amendment to reduce the amount of metagaming that a specific FA faces? Write a feedback post and try to get a month long cooldown added to Tawkin mutations and moulding. 

 

✦) Anyway, this probably won't be accepted. 

 

 

  

6 hours ago, Venomous_Pup said:

PLEASE. To put it in perspective, as I talked about in a different Discord, only counting ten Aether players, they are granted 14 edit tokens a week. You can get a full stack of Sugar from CT completely free, as you require no tools. With 14 tokens, you can edit 64 items in a stack, which grants you about 896 salt items per week. Times this by ten for a whopping production of 8960 salt items, which means to run out over the course of the year, you would need to test 24.5 people a day. This is just with ten Aether players, this doesn't consider the fact of other VIP members banding together or voting milestones, granted a bit extreme but uncapped production for an item that can instantly expose a Corc despite how carefully they play to be ruined because they get caught in some gate house is cooked.

 

✦) To follow up on this, I have been salt tested in a gatehouse, and the guard didn't even have the player signed salt item. When I asked them to /use the item, they called me pixel hungry and pushed me to let it slide.

 

I think this speaks to the attitude that gate-guard RP is essentially not considered at all to most players. Who is going to ask the guard to /use the salt unless they are a vampire? You're in a double-bind. If you ask them to /use an item they don't have, they have all the OOC proof they now need to know you're a vampire, and can just go get it while you are stuck in a mechanically inescapable gatehouse cutscene. 

 

This compounds on top of the ocular pat-down, where the /invsearch command is used from behind inaccessible areas of the gatehouse, often from blocks away, to mechanically surveil the entirety of one's inventory. Suppose you are carrying anything not directly incriminating, like a mystic hex that cannot be derived from sight alone, and you will be 100% assured this person is salt and gold testing you. 

[Slorbin 2932]

do you think the cat knows they have no fur and can like internalize this? and realizes that its a different, unusual state to be in? or do they like, think that having no fur is just the natural state cats could be in, and that the ones with fur are the 'strange' ones...

[Borin 7645]

i shall acquire salt via evaporating the tears of darkspawn players 

[ReveredOwl 5639]

49 minutes ago, DISCOLIQUID said:

 

 

Oh dear, an essay. This reads a whole lot like "we're better then you because we had to write a whole magic application", ok? Thats your character, almost every interaction where a dark magic user is discovered or questioned they immediately jump to the conclusion it is metagaming, such as what you've literally just done. I tested someone with an actual rp item, did /use on it too because they literally matched the exact description, they were wearing the exact same clothing. I did not test everyone else because they looked EXACTLY as described. Also no where have I accused all dark magic users of powergaming?? I simply proposed that can't people just not say that they are thirsting and nobody would be none the wiser, but again dark magic users are somehow a victim here.

[DISCOLIQUID 2701]

3 minutes ago, ReveredOwl said:

Oh dear, an essay. 

 

 

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[Tentoa 3160]

I'll keep it a buck, I don't approve of cringe gate testing as It's a very unrealistic way of dealing with things - but truth be told, just... Don't go to those places, deprive them of RP. I only salt test people who are caught hanging out with vampires or act hella suspicious because cutting someone and pouring salt into their wound is crazy painful and puts them at risk of infection.


But like also, anything is a problem if you keep assuming the absolute worst of your fellow roleplayer which a lot of you seem to be doing.  -1 overall, I don't think this is as big a problem as Its made out to be.

P.S. If you remove all means of confirming evildoers/ creatures by some manner of testing, then we have to go back to the old days where the town guard gathers around and stomps you to death 12v1 on suspicion instead of confirmation, and it's a hell of a lot harder to prove metagaming when the town guard has to kill you based on vibes.

[Couchlancer 13]

[tantuni445 289]

Just now, Couchlancer said:

 

[Islamadon 9158]

Corc players avoiding manned gates challenge [impossible]
 

 

Evil RPers dance precariously upon a cliff's edge. It seems that they do not grasp that if they take away the legal methodology of outing them as freaks, the greater community can return to old ways in looking at their skins and going "they make me uncomfortable". From this, they can just cave their skull in with a steel bludgeon, with complete RP legality, due to simple discomfort or the backing of newly passed cloak-and-basement laws (why were you there? do you have a license for that?)

 The Salt Test, necessitating an item, declaws unprepared testers and provides a higher degree of validity for "they are metagaming" claims in defense of Corc RPers in Sus Issues (LT Enforcement). This also applies for other testing methodologies, like Sigismund Candles for Mystics. Essentially, these pushes are advocating for the loss of your own player rights by enabling players to kill you for worse reasons (I am victim blaming, but only for Evil RPers).

NOTE: This response is not an official LT or ST stance.

[Vertigo_Round 323]

Mmm gateslop vamp testing, I luvv making an entire CA more annoying to play with no cost to myself.

 

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[sam33497 7356]

1 hour ago, Tentoa said:

I'll keep it a buck, I don't approve of cringe gate testing as It's a very unrealistic way of dealing with things - but truth be told, just... Don't go to those places, deprive them of RP. I only salt test people who are caught hanging out with vampires or act hella suspicious because cutting someone and pouring salt into their wound is crazy painful and puts them at risk of infection.

But like also, anything is a problem if you keep assuming the absolute worst of your fellow roleplayer which a lot of you seem to be doing.  -1 overall, I don't think this is as big a problem as Its made out to be.

P.S. If you remove all means of confirming evildoers/ creatures by some manner of testing, then we have to go back to the old days where the town guard gathers around and stomps you to death 12v1 on suspicion instead of confirmation, and it's a hell of a lot harder to prove metagaming when the town guard has to kill you based on vibes.

What this guy said exactly

 

Also some of you guys care more about feeling vindicated about your lore than actually getting the RP you're looking for. If you don't put effort into your intrigue and infiltration and take steps to avoid the lowest and easiest forms of testing, then it's no surprise that you will also be screwed by something taking no effort.

[The Tough Guy 4319]

chud gate tester vs stupid vampire rper eternal deadlock

[Vertigo_Round 323]

2 hours ago, The Tough Guy said:

deadlock

Now that's a language I speak (please help i'm hitting 0/4/19 games on rem)

[StingyParrot 1595]

10 hours ago, Vertigo_Round said:

Mmm gateslop vamp testing, I luvv making an entire CA more annoying to play with no cost to myself.

 

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They're an FA and Moroi do not suffer from the Salination bane