A Lesson Learned

[Goldrim 1422]

As you walk into the throne room you look around yourself, blood smeared all over the walls, torn off limbs roasting in the braziers, as you finally reach the throne you see a scroll pinned to the seat.

There appears to be a small note accompanying the scroll, slightly bloodied as it reads. " 'Da triboot am diz, latz will attend to our Hellghaash gaymez, agh lat will send latz champion ta klomp wiv uz ebery Elven week."

[Austin 697]

As you walk past the throne you wiff the pungent smell of piss

[Wretched 2075]

((And so the PVP nation has struck again, managing to smash through an iron gate door, killing everybody.... because we said they couldn't take a dump in our pond.

It is a well known fact that the orcs Meta'd comming here in the first place. There was no way that they just 'stumbled upon the island with 4 heavily armed people' taking one of our people and our boat in the process, every time I try to get the race back on its feet, it gets crushed again.

"Oh I know! Lets attack the weakest race because we can! Taking their supplies and having a whale of a time!"

I'm fine with this... well I would be if it was legit.

I had recently been messaging an admin about helping us with the race, and at last things were looking up. We were on the edge of the race collapsing, and what does this admin do? He leads an attack to the island killing us all. I now have had many PMs from some very upset Kharajyr, a few saying they can't put up with the amount of crap we keep getting. So instead of aiding us, you have practically destroyed the race while we were at our weakest. Leaving a note saying they will be comming back.

Unless something is done soon, the Kharajyr will collapse. The admins clearly do not have any idea of how bad things are over here and the constant meta attacks are just getting silly.

Today I was nearly close to giving up completely and leaving myself, but I owe it to my Kharajyr to keep at it and try and fight against the world.... and now the staff it seems.

I'm making this clear now. We CAN'T survive another of these attacks, I will not be breaking Kharajyr and Tiazar lore by paying their tribute so it seems they really will go by their plans of destroying our home and basicly wiping out the race I have spent endless days and nights trying to bring up.))

[Destroyer_Bravo 1054]

(( Hey, idea happening: In order to be justified as a non-meta attack, you'd need screens of cats seeing you in the island?

Note: Not a cat ))

[Cracker 4570]

((And so the PVP nation has struck again, managing to smash through an iron gate door, killing everybody.... because we said they couldn't take a dump in our pond.

It is a well known fact that the orcs Meta'd comming here in the first place. There was no way that they just 'stumbled upon the island with 4 heavily armed people' taking one of our people and our boat in the process, every time I try to get the race back on its feet, it gets crushed again.

"Oh I know! Lets attack the weakest race because we can! Taking their supplies and having a whale of a time!"

I'm fine with this... well I would be if it was legit.

I had recently been messaging an admin about helping us with the race, and at last things were looking up. We were on the edge of the race collapsing, and what does this admin do? He leads an attack to the island killing us all. I know have had many PMs from some very upset Kharajyr, a few saying they can't put up with the amount of crap we keep getting. So instead of aiding us, you have practically destroyed the race while we were at our weakest. Leaving a note saying they will be comming back.

Unless something is done soon, the Kharajyr will collapse. The admins clearly do not have any idea of how bad things are over here and the constant meta attacks are just getting silly.

Today I was nearly close to giving up completely and leaving myself, but I owe it to my Kharajyr to keep at it and try and fight against the world.... and now the staff it seems.

I'm making this clear now. We CAN'T survive another of these attacks, I will not be breaking Kharajyr and Tiazar lore by paying their tribute so it seems they really will go by their plans of destroying our home and basicly wiping out the race I have spent endless days and nights trying to bring up.))

( ... )

( Just RP along with it. If its between paying tribute or having your race extinguished, just pay the damn tribute. Even the most haughty rulers will acknowledge tribute over extinction of their peoples.

If there's some substantial proof of the meta, then show it for the world to see through a ban report or something. Otherwise, there isn't much you can do...it's RP, its supposed to be dynamic. If a race cannot thrive in Asulon, it won't. The sad, harsh truth.

A solid middle ground would perhaps be to get as many allies as possible, and begin an RP defense. But otherwise, you are in a binding compromising situation, and one must accept the hard-facts no...

BTW, a heads up, but even through getting allies an orcish attack would finish the kharajyr, either sooner or later. Tribute makes the most RP sense. Rarely, in any society, let alone a feudalistic fantasy medieval setting, would you see a strong nation just ignore a weak, exploitable one...that would be bad RP. Because you are the underdog you need to use every card in the deck, and if that means a surrender so be it.

)

[Tsuyose 3285]

(( Why dont you Allie up with the Orcs? ))

[Jordan1921 373]

( ... )

( Just RP along with it. If its between paying tribute or having your race extinguished, just pay the damn tribute. Even the most haughty rulers will acknowledge tribute over extinction of their peoples.

If there's some substantial proof of the meta, then show it for the world to see through a ban report or something. Otherwise, there isn't much you can do...it's RP, its supposed to be dynamic. If a race cannot thrive in Asulon, it won't. The sad, harsh truth.

A solid middle ground would perhaps be to get as many allies as possible, and begin an RP defense. But otherwise, you are in a binding compromising situation, and one must accept the hard-facts no...)

-snip-, sorry.

[Cracker 4570]

(( You can't put a ban report on a Gm, Cracker... ))

( http://www.lordofthecraft.net/forum/index.php?/topic/48875-ban-report-on-theredninja/page__p__369540__hl__%2Btheredninja+%2Breport__fromsearch__1#entry369540 )

(Through this, I'm pretty sure everyone can be brought to justice at least on some level, GMs and Admins alike. If the evidence is there show it, otherwise it's just going to need to be dealt with Rply...not sure if anyone will take a stand because it is unfair)

[El Ricktador 1394]

(( I don't think losing a race as interesting as the Kharajyr is worth it. Especially not just so the Orcs can follow their lore. Which, in my opinion, boils down to "We are powerful, we are elite. We kill you, you can't do anything about it."

I am not a Kha but I am highly interested in their lore as it well written and it is not powergamey. *Yes you assume correctly. I am implying Orc lore is powergamey* Even if it is realistic that an Orc raised to be a warrior and nothing but a warrior could shrug off the average attack from an Elf. But we have to remember. We are here to have fun. Whether that means winning or losing. I suggest orcs be nerfed slightly in their lore. Or if not that, atleast be kept on a shorter leash. They seem to be able to get away with anything.

They seem to be allowed to troll in whatever way they like with the cover-up being: "They're orcs." or "It is good RP, roll with it."

I have to speak up. It honestly isn't good RP when you are given not a single shred of chance to win against an Orc in RP. Whether it be a 1 on 1 or an actual war.

The majority of Orcs I have seen are Villains with Villain Apps. I believe when we create a Villain App, we promise to do villainous deeds not to gain loot or items but to enhance another's experience. Often giving them the upper hand in a confrontation.))

[Cracker 4570]

(( I don't think losing a race as interesting as the Kharajyr is worth it. Especially not just so the Orcs can follow their lore. Which, in my opinion, boils down to "We are powerful, we are elite. We kill you, you can't do anything about it."

I am not a Kha but I am highly interested in their lore as it well written and it is not powergamey. *Yes you assume correctly. I am implying Orc lore is powergamey* Even if it is realistic that an Orc raised to be a warrior and nothing but a warrior could shrug off the average attack from an Elf. But we have to remember. We are here to have fun. Whether that means winning or losing. I suggest orcs be nerfed slightly in their lore. Or if not that, atleast be kept on a shorter leash. They seem to be able to get away with anything.

They seem to be allowed to troll in whatever way they like with the cover-up being: "They're orcs." or "It is good RP, roll with it."

I have to speak up. It honestly isn't good RP when you are given not a single shred of chance to win against an Orc in RP. Whether it be a 1 on 1 or an actual war.

The majority of Orcs I have seen are Villains with Villain Apps. I believe when we create a Villain App, we promise to do villainous deeds not to gain loot or items but to enhance another's experience. Often giving them the upper hand in a confrontation.))

(( I agree, losing the Kharajyr would blow. They have good RP and lore behind them...

but in this case, the orcs are not just going in to kill them. Either find a way to defeat the orcs, through either mass war production or the gathering of allies, or submit to the tribute and accept the fact, IC, that things need to be done. Empires, nations and kingdoms have all submitted to one another at one point.

BTW Orcs are stupid and sluggish. Take advantage of it in an RP fight. ))

[Sporadic 2844]

((Well, I wonder if this will count as whistleblowing, but the raid stated here was assisted by a fast travel feature available to the High Elves of Haelun'or. They stepped onto the boat nearby (which has FT to Kharajyr island), and got to the place instantly.

The reason I bring this up is because indeed, the Kharajyr don't just make the location of the island available to all, and the Orcs would have to have had an RP planning to find their way there. If they knew the way, they wouldn't have made a detour to Haelun'or (which would've required a boat as well. And even so, just having the boat wouldn't RPly mean you know the way. It is there to stimulate very lore-intensive Races finding each other easily for fun culture RP, not well.. this.

I happen to know there was GM disconcert over the legality of this move as well, where one GM would question if use of FT for this purpose was fair. This was overruled. I would like to not name names, and will let FMs know it is proper to remove this post if it is deemed to cause unneeded argument.))

[Wretched 2075]

( ... )

( Just RP along with it. If its between paying tribute or having your race extinguished, just pay the damn tribute. Even the most haughty rulers will acknowledge tribute over extinction of their peoples.

If there's some substantial proof of the meta, then show it for the world to see through a ban report or something. Otherwise, there isn't much you can do...it's RP, its supposed to be dynamic. If a race cannot thrive in Asulon, it won't. The sad, harsh truth.

A solid middle ground would perhaps be to get as many allies as possible, and begin an RP defense. But otherwise, you are in a binding compromising situation, and one must accept the hard-facts no...)

((*Clears throat, raising his mighty sword of the flame war*))

((I don't think you understand at all. The staff are in every nation but ours, in fact, the staff rule most nations but ours. THEY came to our island with no RP reason. No need for screenshots, it's common knowledge that they did so. If they had a reason, speak now or forever hold your peace.

We are not a wealthy race.... we are extremely low on supplies and everything we have we desperatly need for the race. We can't afford to give it up, and paying them would just break our lore... We would never do such a thing in a billion years... And Tiazar hates them will all his heart, he would not pay them a dirt block...

And the problem with a ban report is the biased responses it would get from particular members of staff. And this happened a while ago so they would most likely ignore it anyway.

I ask you now NOT to comment if you were not involved and like yourself, have completely no idea of exactly what happened. Even this comment is biased due to your dislike of me.))

[Jordan1921 373]

((I think he's saying that what is happening is alright with him if the Orc's found the Kharajyr without Meta.))

[El Ricktador 1394]

(( I agree, losing the Kharajyr would blow. They have good RP and lore behind them...

but in this case, the orcs are not just going in to kill them. Either find a way to defeat the orcs, through either mass war production or the gathering of allies, or submit to the tribute and accept the fact, IC, that things need to be done. Empires, nations and kingdoms have all submitted to one another at one point.

BTW Orcs are stupid and sluggish. Take advantage of it in an RP fight. ))

(( That's the thing though. You can't even take advantage of their RP weaknesses as the majority of them do not even RP that properly. You RP an "escape" and then you look back and see them sprinting at you just as fast as you are sprinting away. Followed by a gold battleaxe in your back.

((*Clears throat, raising his mighty sword of the flame war*))

((I don't think you understand at all. The staff are in every nation but ours, in fact, the staff rule most nations but ours. THEY came to our island with no RP reason. No need for screenshots, it's common knowledge that they did so. If they had a reason, speak now or forever hold your peace.

We are not a wealthy race.... we are extremely low on supplies and everything we have we desperatly need for the race. We can't afford to give it up, and paying them would just break our lore... We would never do such a thing in a billion years... And Tiazar hates them will all his heart, he would not pay them a dirt block...

And the problem with a ban report is the biased responses it would get from particular members of staff. And this happened a while ago so they would most likely ignore it anyway.

I ask you now NOT to comment if you were not involved and like yourself, have completely no idea of exactly what happened. Even this comment is biased due to your dislike of me.))

(( I am involved as they tend to usually attack the city I live in, while on the way to you. ))

[Cracker 4570]

(( Dislike...?

I didn't like that you changed your mind, but I don't dislike you. We had really good RP otherwise, it was awesome you went along with it considering many nation leaders wouldn't, its just I was kind of frustrated earlier and very tired, because everyone was trying to find ways to pin a ban report on us...

Anyway, I guess I'll hold my tongue. Just saying that this could be solved RPly. Even if you abhor them, a temporary tribute to save your holiest, precious peoples would fit the lore of what I've read ( was once Kharajyr ). I'm just tired of people bickering OOC over RP conflicts. If the Meta is truly that horrendous, then put a ban report on it, or talk to a panel of GM's and Admins... or even just plead with the Orcs through private OOC instead of bringing them to public and making them look bad. ))