To Lay Waste On Empty Space

[The Zealot (Sir_Wyvernos) 248]

((I ask that all involved in this warclaim calm down. Fighting as such will not get a point across.))

[Rusty7x 114]

I agree to Argentum (Far left settlement) being attacked and demolished to rubble. To be honest I would rather every small settlement be destroyed to bring back the role play to the main nations. I actually think that some good role play could be made out this idea. Everyone should allow their settlements to be attacked.

[nickdabeast135 107]

[surprise attacks are fit for nomads, have a problem with it, I can teach history lessons. Surprise attacks are banned if the attacker is wishing to OWN the land, we are not OWNING the land, we are simply razing what is inside. You pointed out an issue yourself, your on the mainland, why are you sitting with blundering little settlements far from your mainland? I said the regular citizens, and I took screenshots of the houses and their citizen names, the regulars can be there who own homes, but if I see dispatches of tons of soldiers, that is metagaming and do not Bullsh-t me on that point. You being a civilized Duchy and us being nomads (not barbarians, read our Lore again) is no factor whatsoever, radar and wiretapping equipment was not invented within our 13th Century Technological allowances. We can make more than one settlement our attack, the precedent is our past warclaims. We are not INTENDING ON OWNING settlements for Pete's sake, stop bullshitting, which is defined by not having ANY knowledge on the matter and still talking.]

(just going to say that Enismor has homes underground in the dwarven "deeps" we have many fighters that will stand ready. )

[domainoft 191]

If you are moving an army in. Anyone who was there would have plenty of time to gather forces for either defense, or retreating with supplies. Army's don't just appear out of no where. The point of these claims is to work together with the people you are attacking, and figure out a fun RP way of doing things. Not take advantage of lack of activity to fill your pockets. I have visited Enismor and Elessar's settlement many many times in the past weeks and never seen you there. That does not mean you were not.

[Samson Option 9652]

If you are moving an army in. Anyone who was there would have plenty of time to gather forces for either defense, or retreating with supplies. Army's don't just appear out of no where. The point of these claims is to work together with the people you are attacking, and figure out a fun RP way of doing things. Not take advantage of lack of activity to fill your pockets. I have visited Enismor and Elessar's settlement many many times in the past weeks and never seen you there. That does not mean you were not.

The CITIZENRY have time to gather up and pool their equipment together and get ready, I am not arguing against that!

Nomads do appear out of nowhere, we have never talked about our ambitions to attack, so we do have the element of surprise. Also taking advantage of lack of activity to fill your pockets, I dont take kindly to that sort of insulting, lack of activity is because the playerbase is drawn out. I just went by Enismor and there are people, so activity obviously picked up. Also, I dont literally stay in an inn in Enismor.

[Samson Option 9652]

[i have come to the conclusion that I have another fate for Enismor, consider Enismor left off the list]

[Peter Chivay 2494]

[[ I would like everyone that is presenting argument against this warclaim, to remember that this is all in-character. We are, after all, a horde that is prone to destruction and razing. Much like Tyr and Rienna.

If the citizenship somehow manage to muster a defense, more power to them. To bring a historical example into this, did the mongols simply 'stop' because there were only 1000 people within a village? No, they razed, sacked, and took what they wanted.

Just saying, this is an in-character war claim and all I am seeing is OOC reasons to take it down.

[domainoft 191]

No, War claims are OOC unless stated otherwise. You should NOT be doing this in character.

[domainoft 191]

The CITIZENRY have time to gather up and pool their equipment together and get ready, I am not arguing against that!

Nomads do appear out of nowhere, we have never talked about our ambitions to attack, so we do have the element of surprise. Also taking advantage of lack of activity to fill your pockets, I dont take kindly to that sort of insulting, lack of activity is because the playerbase is drawn out. I just went by Enismor and there are people, so activity obviously picked up. Also, I dont literally stay in an inn in Enismor.

I will agree to this, but if dozens of people in Diamond an Iron armor pour across the country side so close to Alras it would draw notice. As many of these settlements have relations with Alras I imagine a force to secure the peace would be arranged and at the ready should any "nomads" begin to wander to close to the nation. I mean you no insult personally, but I have seen many war claims for the sake of "cleaning up" that ended up being "treasure hunting"

[Samson Option 9652]

I will agree to this, but if dozens of people in Diamond an Iron armor pour across the country side so close to Alras it would draw notice. As many of these settlements have relations with Alras I imagine a force to secure the peace would be arranged and at the ready should any "nomads" begin to wander to close to the nation. I mean you no insult personally, but I have seen many war claims for the sake of "cleaning up" that ended up being "treasure hunting"

Rusty7x's settlement is NOT close to Alras... so I'm falling to see logic against my point. Also, we don't even walk near Alras actually...

[Will (TauFirewarrior) 2466]

(( To the point of surprise attacks they are suited for Nomads/Tribesman. During the Colonial period of the Europeans trying to take as much land in the America's as possible. The native North Americans used surprise attacks I believe in ambushing Europeans on the road and such. Its general warfare and just deal with it. I lost my nation I loved you don't see me crying about it I just starting something new. Just one more thing to add to this to shut people up "All warfare is deception" Sun Tzu deal with it" ))

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(( Please keep the thread away from flaming Kais. grammar. ))

[domainoft 191]

I agree with that, roads are easy targets. Traveling merchants and caravans yes and yes...But fortified towns, or forts. Seems very unlikely that wandering nomades/tribesmen would be equipped to handle such warfare. And if its the same settlement I am thinking of its not very far from Alras. Of coarse "close" is up to the person describing it, and the total distance your traveling. I am not against cleaning up abandoned settlements, and unused structures by all means.... clear the way. But I tend to lean more toward peaceful methods such as druid or monk reclaiming. And less toward pillaging and warfare. It doesn't make as much sense for nomads to take the time to tear down stone buildings and walls. If everything was created out of wood it would be easy to burn, but that is not often the case.

[nickdabeast135 107]

[i have come to the conclusion that I have another fate for Enismor, consider Enismor left off the list]

(sounds fun... :D If you want to plan something fun, like an event or something, just pm me and we can talk)

[Samson Option 9652]

I agree with that, roads are easy targets. Traveling merchants and caravans yes and yes...But fortified towns, or forts. Seems very unlikely that wandering nomades/tribesmen would be equipped to handle such warfare. And if its the same settlement I am thinking of its not very far from Alras. Of coarse "close" is up to the person describing it, and the total distance your traveling. I am not against cleaning up abandoned settlements, and unused structures by all means.... clear the way. But I tend to lean more toward peaceful methods such as druid or monk reclaiming. And less toward pillaging and warfare. It doesn't make as much sense for nomads to take the time to tear down stone buildings and walls. If everything was created out of wood it would be easy to burn, but that is not often the case.

Your preferences are not for me to adopt. We have already intermixed peaceful methods if it coincides with the Subudai's methodology, beliefs, and such. Be not quick to judge :D

Also, an assumption to not make is that we tear down stone structures... Look at Rienna, we razed Rienna and the stone still stands (DivinusXiphias is tearing down Rienna on his own RP).