Whitewash Orcs.

[V0idsoldier 1139]

The points you make COULD be valid, though generally aren't Aerinyes. You say the life of a Whitewash should be hard, but how can you sit there and say that when literally no one ACTUALLY rps hating whitewashes? Generally I see A LOT of people loving Whitewash orcs in character.

You cannot simply say "This life is hard" and expect people to pretend they are harassed in rp. If they aren't harassed in rp then they simply don't live a hard life.

Honestly guys, I don't see the Humans complaining OOCly when a human goes to live with elves, or the dwarves oocly complaining when a dwarf lives with humans. You can say "But orcs are raised to hate all other races" but isn't that true for all races? The answer is yes. Humans are raised to hate other races, Elves too, and dwarves, so why is it only the Orcs complain oocly when there are players drifting away?

Honestly, you should only try to control what you can control, not what you cant, and this is one of those things you cant control, and it should be left like that for the players and all other sake.

[Destroyer_Bravo 1054]

Austin is making a good move here. He probably could have worded it differently, but at the end of the day, he is trying to improve things.

Its very easy to explain why a elf lives in Malinor, a Human lives in Oren, and a Dwarf lives in Karik. Its logical to assume the same thing with Orcs in the War Ugz. Now with that said, things do change. However its very unlikely that a server application would allow a whitewash orc. They do (to my knowledge) filter out orc characters that wish to be different (and if they don't they really should consider it).

Therefore when a player makes a whitewash, its usually after the whitelist. This is what Austin is trying to figure out. Did these orc characters start in his nation and then become whitewashes? If this is so, why? Its his job as a nation leader to figure out why someone would leave his nation, not someone personally persay, but why people in general would want to leave. If many are leaving for the same reasons, it gives him a base to work with to make changes as needed.

What the concern is, people just wishing to play with other races. Perhaps they like the culture better. Maybe they have friends there. My advice is to reroll that particular race.

Alot of the time, people roll a character then end up making a new character that is an orc and just chooses arbitrarily to be a whitewash. That is where many of the concerns are. I'm sure Austin would like to know why people are doing this. Why they would wish to play an orc outside orc culture.

He also wants them to make sure that they understand the consequences of their actions. IC actions have IC consequences after all. Unfortunately he is only giving the consequences that comes from other orcs, and neglected to say what other races might do.

I'll speak for the general leadership of Malinor. Whitewashes are quite simply hated more than regular orcs. They are seen as one of two things. Spies from the War Ugz, or a Psychopath.

To the elves, the war is a political endeavor, they do not hate the orcs on a cultural level (even if they say speeches and such that contradict that). They see the whitewashes as exiles from a culture. Psychopaths who resist their own kind and their beliefs. There is only a few reasons they would do this. 1. they are simply crazy which makes them dangerous, 2. they have done something despicable, so vile that the orcs even hate them, such as undead/Iblees worship, and 3. they are fugitives, criminals and traitors to their own kind, we see them as if they would betray their own kind, they have no problem doing so to anyone else.

I'm sure the dwarves would have similar feelings. Hiebe can probably comment more on that if he wishes. Humans are probably a little more accepting, but who knows? They are a religious people and may consider them vile monsters too, but that is up to their leaderships.

Playing a whitewash means playing a general exile. Going to need to more than likely live in the wilds. That is if the nations are playing the game properly too. Perhaps a movement to get them on the ball too will help the issue.

This isn't to harp on or punish the ones playing whitewashes. The lore is there and the lore should be followed. Lore supports there being whitewashes, but it is a hard life, one that the player should consider carefully before engaging into it.

I actually know an orc who is/was allowed into Karik. The first time I saw him back when Kjell ran things, I ICly freaked and tried to find a guard or something. Then we figure out that he's cool. I guess that if you are a like, true whitewash and stab an orc as an orc, you're cool to the dwarves. Or pretty much an inverse to Lex.

[Merkaken 516]

The points you make COULD be valid, though generally aren't Aerinyes. You say the life of a Whitewash should be hard, but how can you sit there and say that when literally no one ACTUALLY rps hating whitewashes? Generally I see A LOT of people loving Whitewash orcs in character.

You cannot simply say "This life is hard" and expect people to pretend they are harassed in rp. If they aren't harassed in rp then they simply don't live a hard life.

Honestly guys, I don't see the Humans complaining OOCly when a human goes to live with elves, or the dwarves oocly complaining when a dwarf lives with humans. You can say "But orcs are raised to hate all other races" but isn't that true for all races? The answer is yes. Humans are raised to hate other races, Elves too, and dwarves, so why is it only the Orcs complain oocly when there are players drifting away?

Honestly, you should only try to control what you can control, not what you cant, and this is one of those things you cant control, and it should be left like that for the players and all other sake.

So... Why ask a question if you're going to answer it yourself? Seems... Redundant...

Back to the point, though...

Dwarves, elves, and Humans don't care if they live with each other... The main reason Orcs don't is because they are raised to hate other races. That's how they've been raised since Krug. And yes, being Whitewash IS the life of an exile, and what she is saying is that how they should be treated.

Who says we can't control this? We kind of have to or else how the Orcs are supposed to be played will die out. It's unfair to the Orcs who actually play an Orc within the Uzg is that there's about a handful of actual Orcs that live there. There are some Whitewash Orcs that do roleplay Whitewash well, have actual reasons, etc. This isn't about them. This is about people who don't have an actual reason as to why you're Whitewash. Not to mention... Thore is the Rex. It isn't unreasonable to know. This honestly is not a big deal. Thore is simply asking the whitewash Orcs to give an actual reason that isn't "My parents are not whitewash" and adressing the lore breaking issue. Because it IS lorebreaking. There should not be as many Whitewash Orcs as there are. Most people just want to take the good parts of Orcs and not have the bad parts.

Humans are snotty, but that doesn't mean they hate other races.

Elves don't hate other races. (excluding High Elves...)

Dwarves don't hate other races.

That's how the other races are raised. They wern't raised to hate the other races like the ORCS WERE. It's in the lore. Have you read it?

[Stephensj Of House Lym 3]

Alright, Here it is

Kazotar was with the UZG for some time, but he slowly tarted to gain a dislike for the general way things were handled. He started to wonder about being a whitewash, But still felt loyal to the UZG. He finally started to want to become a whitewash after a few elves and humans saved his life. Slowly he became less loyal to the UZG. He finally knew he wanted to become a whitewash after he saw a few slaves beaten within the inch of their life right infront of him. He then left the UZG, Trying to make it as quiet as possible.

If you want more, Ill try to add more.

Also, A side note

DrakeHaze, If you were talking about me when you were talking about Powergaming whitewash orcs, I'm unsure how I powergame. I lose to about EVERYONE I fight. I;ve even lost to a Elf Farmer. Also, Kazotar is able to Speak Common because he had his tusks blown off, Also he has had YEARS of practice, and it does cause him some pain

[Merkaken 516]

Alright, Here it is

Kazotar was with the UZG for some time, but he slowly tarted to gain a dislike for the general way things were handled. He started to wonder about being a whitewash, But still felt loyal to the UZG. He finally started to want to become a whitewash after a few elves and humans saved his life. Slowly he became less loyal to the UZG. He finally knew he wanted to become a whitewash after he saw a few slaves beaten within the each of their life right infront of him. He then left the UZG, Trying to make it as quiet as possible.

If you want more, Ill try to add more.

Also, A side note

DrakeHaze, If you were talking about me when you were talking about Powergaming whitewash orcs, I'm unsure how I powergame. I lose to about EVERYONE I fight. I;ve even lost to a Elf Farmer. Also, Kazotar is able to Speak Common because he had his tusks blown off, Also he has had YEARS of practice, and it does cause him some pain

THAT'S a legitimate reason. IF Whitewash Orcs had a reason like that, there'd be no problem. (I think...)

[V0idsoldier 1139]

That's how the other races are raised. They wern't raised to hate the other races like the ORCS WERE. It's in the lore. Have you read it?

Have I read it? Oh dayum, that was really cute of you to ask. Well I have been here about a year longer than you, so I would say *licks finger and puts it into the air* According to the windstreams and the influx of my time capacitor I have read it likely... 50 more times than you.

Yes I have read the lore, do not insult my knowledge because you are a very disagreeable person lol. You clearly did not read my post in it's entirety. As I said, ALL races are raised to hate all other races. Humans hate all races, dwarves hate all races, elves hate all races and orcs hate all races.

If you are too blissfully ignorant to see this let me point some things out.

Humans have STRICT rules about any other race entering their naiton or being anything important in the goverment/jobs. Elves tend to completely disallow MOST other people aside from elves from living with them. Back in Aegis there was a time when the Dwarves decided to STOP allowing ANY other races other than dwarves into the inner city. The Mori are clearly racist as well.

So do not sit here and say orcs are the only ones who are raised to hate other races. Yes, I have read every ounce of lore likely 50 times more than you have.

[ski_king3 0]

Being half orc, you hate your non-orc parent for making you weak, when you reach adult hood, about age 12-15, you will have an ever growing desire to kill your non-orc parent, in this case your mother.

There is no way you can tell someone this, this is up to the person playing the character, especially if as stated previously, her character respects other races and whatnot.

Anyways, sorry to all who I was kind of arguing with before. I was pretty professional in what I said, but I probably did push it too far. My main point was that even if the Rex does have some OOC control over orcs, it is not to the point of making a mandate about things a small group of orcs must do to be considered acceptable. I in no way disagree that whitewashes should have some level of reasoning behind them.

Also, to those who are referencing the orc app (I believe this was talked about more so yesterday than today), I believe this is only going to be in replacement for the current whitelist application, meaning people already playing on the server won't need to fill it out. Just throwing that out there.

Lastly, there still hasn't been anybody to answer my question. Where are all these whitewashes hiding? I rarely see any whitewashes other than Kazotar, and he roleplays his character quite well, as I believe most would agree.

[Austin 697]

All orcs hate whitewashs with the passion of 1,000 burning suns, most often when someone plays a whitewash they are doing it because they have OOC friends in another group, [Maur for example]. Since they are friends OOC that could effect the in character aspects.

and again This isn't an argument Voidsoldier, the amount of useless posts on this thread is ridiculous, and this thread is de-railed beyond belief. Can someone delete all the posts that aren't players who play whitewash orcs expressing there characters. If you want to rage at me because of this send me a private message.

[Stephensj Of House Lym 3]

Lastly, there still hasn't been anybody to answer my question. Where are all these whitewashes hiding? I rarely see any whitewashes other than Kazotar, and he roleplays his character quite well, as I believe most would agree.

We are in our whitewash hidey hole

You should Join us sometime :D

[V0idsoldier 1139]

Can someone delete all the posts that aren't players who play whitewash orcs expressing there characters. If you want to rage at me because of this send me a private message.

Wait what? Only Whitewash orcs are allowed to post their opinions? That is rather silly, considering the orc to whitewash ratio is like 10:1 so you would easily out number them, stomp them to a pulp, and change the rules.

No one is raging Austin, I am simply disagreeing with you and all others who think that people whould be limited. It is not rage simply because it is not of your beliefs, someone needs to be the guy to tell you it is wrong to do this to players, I just seem to be the only non orc to do it right now. Of course all orcs will agree with you Austin, but it doesn't just affect orcs.

First it will be orcs limited and made apps of, then other races. Just trying to make a stand babe.

[Sultan 3953]

Being half orc, you hate your non-orc parent for making you weak, when you reach adult hood, about age 12-15, you will have an ever growing desire to kill your non-orc parent, in this case your mother.

Its up to her character what she wants to do with her mother, not to you.

[Austin 697]

Wait what? Only Whitewash orcs are allowed to post their opinions? That is rather silly, considering the orc to whitewash ratio is like 10:1 so you would easily out number them, stomp them to a pulp, and change the rules.

No one is raging Austin, I am simply disagreeing with you and all others who think that people whould be limited. It is not rage simply because it is not of your beliefs, someone needs to be the guy to tell you it is wrong to do this to players, I just seem to be the only non orc to do it right now. Of course all orcs will agree with you Austin, but it doesn't just affect orcs.

First it will be orcs limited and made apps of, then other races. Just trying to make a stand babe.

No this thread is not a discussion thread about the legitimacy of whitewash orcs. This is a thread asking players who play whitewashs to explain how there character went down that path originally in a few short sentences. Read my whole post before you reply dood. I'm not telling anyone to rejoin the War Uzg or whatever, I'm just simply seeking an awnser to why they became whitewash to sure they just didn't powergame it. If you want to discuss it make another damn thread, what you and several others have been posting is not the aim of the thread. Stop derailing it please, or I'll ask an FM to hand out warn status

[craotor 617]

Thore IMHO you should make a new thread since this one became a flame war/ useless posts.If you want to make a whitewash registry this thread probably wont work

[Merkaken 516]

Have I read it? Oh dayum, that was really cute of you to ask. Well I have been here about a year longer than you, so I would say *licks finger and puts it into the air* According to the windstreams and the influx of my time capacitor I have read it likely... 50 more times than you.

Yes I have read the lore, do not insult my knowledge because you are a very disagreeable person lol. You clearly did not read my post in it's entirety. As I said, ALL races are raised to hate all other races. Humans hate all races, dwarves hate all races, elves hate all races and orcs hate all races.

If you are too blissfully ignorant to see this let me point some things out.

Humans have STRICT rules about any other race entering their naiton or being anything important in the goverment/jobs. Elves tend to completely disallow MOST other people aside from elves from living with them. Back in Aegis there was a time when the Dwarves decided to STOP allowing ANY other races other than dwarves into the inner city. The Mori are clearly racist as well.

So do not sit here and say orcs are the only ones who are raised to hate other races. Yes, I have read every ounce of lore likely 50 times more than you have.

Hey, buddy. I was asking seriously. I wasn't asking it to be a sarcastic jerk. And you really think that a number of time determines if you're better than someone or not? <_<

[Braxis 813]

As requested by the Op. All Flaming, Aruging and debating of this subject is to STOP. This post was made in order to have the Whitewash players calmy explain themselfs and not turn into a 10 page arguments. Thank you for the ones who did as asked and did not argue. Anymore of this will recevie a Warn status, This post is to give our legitatme reasoning why a Char does not follow on Races Lore, not to aruge.