The Age Of Steam

[Jistuma 1996]

((Do any of you know how bloody complicated a steam engine is? This is WAY too far advanced, expecially for halfings, when did halflings get the engineering skill to create a steam engine? Does really anyone know how COMPLICATED a engine is? The problems from over pressure, from where the water comes from, from where the heat comes from, from what is used to fuel, from controlling the speed of the engine, from controlling the force of the engine, from having a place where to hold the fuel, etc.

Then there is the problem of from the lore he coppied from the halflings, and why would the halflings ever let anyone see their machines up close? and desmantle them to see how they work inside?

Also why isen't this is the lore section, why is it in the roleplay section?))

[troopermatthew 66]

(( There are so many other ways to attract players than steam technology. When did the good ol' catapult turn dull? Or sails? There are still improvements to be made on existing products and devices (might as well bring back the cannon then?). However, as long as further development is prevented, I can run by this. What I do find worrying though, is that other races will most likely follow up, and we'll be stuck on the same technological level once again, only this time with steam engines. ))

 

((The reasons we jumped to steam engines was due to an rp lack of sail making materials. Dwarves live in snowy environments with a lack of animals including sheep. The obvious answer would be to trade for the materials but what nation wouldnt try and make its army/navy from local materials? As a race we are a secretive race and this technology would be closely guarded so other races would have to physically capture a ship or at least be left alone for a significant amount of time to replicate the design alone. The skills to create it would be an entirely different matter.))

 

((Do any of you know how bloody complicated a steam engine is? This is WAY too far advanced, expecially for halfings, when did halflings get the engineering skill to create a steam engine? Does really anyone know how COMPLICATED a engine is? The problems from over pressure, from where the water comes from, from where the heat comes from, from what is used to fuel, from controlling the speed of the engine, from controlling the force of the engine, from having a place where to hold the fuel, etc.

Then there is the problem of from the lore he coppied from the halflings, and why would the halflings ever let anyone see their machines up close? and desmantle them to see how they work inside?

Also why isen't this is the lore section, why is it in the roleplay section?))

 

((Firstly I am aware of how steam engines work but once again as I have said twice this post isnt about develouping steam engines. The basic engine was developed a long time ago and its designs held by at least two dwarves still living. The Halflings not only created a simplified version of the technology but left their boat alone, unlocked and unguarded for the entire of Elysium and the Islands. Nalro simply snuck over there and studied the design, combined it with the Dwarven steam engine records and cleaned up two already existing designs. We just stuck it in a new boat design. Its not our lore and we dont need to defend its creation anymore than we do the anchors, stonecladding or the steering wheel. Its a combination of existing lore put onto a wooden boat hull.

 

That also explains why it isnt lore because there is no new lore here.))

[CaptainCake98 0]

((It's a real nice Idea, but personally, I'd really like some deeper explanations and blueprints on the working. As it would be better for everyone's rp if the workings of steam engines were explained and understood. Without evidence of your character knowing how these things work (I'm not saying that you don't know xD) it could be abused by other people claiming they know how to make it and have mysteriously replicated it just by hearing or seeing of this new marvelous ship. For your characters and your ideas sake, I think it'd be better to clarify and explain in detail a bit!))

[troopermatthew 66]

((Actually its entirely fair to accuse my character of not knowing how a steam engine works because rply he doesn't. I understand more about steam engines in real life than I do in rp. What my character does know is how to build a ship as he ran a ship construction yard at his home in Asulon. One of the ships later became a fast travel point on the map. The engines are constructed seperatly to the ship by Nalro and the Engineering Guild who develouped them using a combination of halfling technology and earlier dwarf technology. No one Dwarf has the knowladge to make the whole vessel. Other races could equally steal the inferior design on the halflings wheat powered engine but without the added dwarven element known only to a handful of dwarves they cannot produce steam engines without new lore. In regards to the ships design itself we have actually created this ship and two others (one of which is hinted at in the end of my rp) on a seperate server to get the rp details correct so further screenshots could be provided if needed. Note this first one is actually a prototype so expect issues on her maiden voyage that need addressing before we launch the finished product.))

[hex37 737]

((I get the feeling that steam-powered dwarven armored suits is the next logical step at this rate.Lets invent trains while we're at it too.

./waytoomuchsarcasm

Really, though, this is a bad, bad, idea. I mean, just awful.))

[Kardel 1054]

(( This idea needs a bit more thinking through. Steam engines are indeed very complicated, and not of the current age we are in, which is pre-renaissance era. Might I remind you that steam engines were created during the industrial evolution, which is FAR away from our current era. Only after we pass all the years of evolution between the dark ages era and the industrial evolution era, will we be able to create a steam engine, and since that will never happen (this being a strictly MEDIEVAL rp server) will we be able to create some sort of steam engine. Even though the rules of fantasy rp (as stated by the elder scrolls 5, Skyrim, using the dwemer as an example, and it is these ideas that have influenced our server's rp very heavily, and thus matter very much), though, state that dwarves are very capable of creating a steam engine. Despite these many different ideas tha influence our server oh so much, I think that we best stick with the original dwarves created by Tolkien, and avoid steam power, because it gives a unfair advantage to the dwarves, having siege engines powered by steam, capable of destroying Oren's fortifications in seconds (scratch that, a VERY unfair advantage).

 

So, what I'm trying to say is pretty much that steam engines are no good, and will destroy this serve's rp

[Charles_Grimlie 1072]

(( This idea needs a bit more thinking through. Steam engines are indeed very complicated, and not of the current age we are in, which is pre-renaissance era. Might I remind you that steam engines were created during the industrial evolution, which is FAR away from our current era. Only after we pass all the years of evolution between the dark ages era and the industrial evolution era, will we be able to create a steam engine, and since that will never happen (this being a strictly MEDIEVAL rp server) will we be able to create some sort of steam engine. Even though the rules of fantasy rp (as stated by the elder scrolls 5, Skyrim, using the dwemer as an example, and it is these ideas that have influenced our server's rp very heavily, and thus matter very much), though, state that dwarves are very capable of creating a steam engine. Despite these many different ideas tha influence our server oh so much, I think that we best stick with the original dwarves created by Tolkien, and avoid steam power, because it gives a unfair advantage to the dwarves, having siege engines powered by steam, capable of destroying Oren's fortifications in seconds (scratch that, a VERY unfair advantage).

 

So, what I'm trying to say is pretty much that steam engines are no good, and will destroy this serve's rp

 

((I don't believe the steam engines will provide an unfair advantage, due to the utilization of steam engine on ships made of stone and Iron it will only move the ship at a very slow pace. Due to this I do not believe it will have the capability of battering down Oren's fortifications as the ship itself is not built to be a ram to walls but to the likes of heavy ice sheets that surround the island. It wouldn't be wise for the Dwarves to not have any form of naval power much like the Dwarves in Tolkien and the likes of sails or wooden ships will not be able to suffice for Arctic voyage. Also the Halflings have utilized the likes of steam engines for a long period of time as of now and the likes of a Steam engine is mainly an available form of kinetic movement for the ships rather than the use of the previously mentioned goods. Thus the Steam Engines do not provide any form of advantage and for a race to utilize the likes of a steam engine on a wooden ship would be foolish as it is far too unstable.))

[craotor 617]

((Just saying I think its a bit early for this but I realy want the server to go steampunk.I support the idea but it may be a bit too early)

[Kardel 1054]

((I don't believe the steam engines will provide an unfair advantage, due to the utilization of steam engine on ships made of stone and Iron it will only move the ship at a very slow pace. Due to this I do not believe it will have the capability of battering down Oren's fortifications as the ship itself is not built to be a ram to walls but to the likes of heavy ice sheets that surround the island. It wouldn't be wise for the Dwarves to not have any form of naval power much like the Dwarves in Tolkien and the likes of sails or wooden ships will not be able to suffice for Arctic voyage. Also the Halflings have utilized the likes of steam engines for a long period of time as of now and the likes of a Steam engine is mainly an available form of kinetic movement for the ships rather than the use of the previously mentioned goods. Thus the Steam Engines do not provide any form of advantage and for a race to utilize the likes of a steam engine on a wooden ship would be foolish as it is far too unstable.))

(( I am not stating that dwarves should avoid having a naval power, but instead stick with the usual ships, that are propelled by oars, or perhaps some sails. I personally would love for us to have a steam engine, but its a bit out of the era that the server is set in, and I think that other races would complain, and that would cause the steam engine to be banned, like explosives, because of all the OOC whining. Better for some more lore behind this, and some serious thinking through, because this would revolutionize dwarven rp, and RP in general. So far, you get neither a plus, nor a minus, since this is clearly not finished. ))

[Kanrath 190]

Mind you, the Alras engineering guild did a bit of work with steam engines, so the fact the Dwarves went and finished it after Alras was betrayed and the guild moved does not seem unlikely. Though, like all work based off old unfinished blueprints it likely took some work to get to this stage. The first attempt to bring in steam engines was actually near the end of Ageis.

[KoTo 610]

Moved to the Great Library. It shall be sorted into appropriate category shortly.