Racial Benefits

[Praetor 1550]

Conquer it all? We haven't tried conquering anything for a while, and if you saw earlier this month, it's the Dwarvees who declared war on us. Numbers are not the biggest factor at all, not at all. One nation could have tons of players but be disorganized and not good at fighting. Rhia is not a Human GM. So, you have about 3 Human GMs and an admin. My, half the staff! Having any GMs does not impact fighting whatsoever, not even for the most part. Completely.

Okay so you didn't conquer anything in a while, and?

I didn't even mention the war.

If you don't think numbers are extremely important them you're just plain wrong. Yes skills and tactics matter but numbers are more important.

I did not say you had half the staff, nor did I say you had 3 gms. See, "..." Means the list continues.

And you'd be naive to believe your final statement.

[Solaba 144]

I think most questions have now been answered on this topic from the above quote by freya

Your un-needed amount of posts saying: not going to happen...just happened.

[V0idsoldier 1139]

You should try arguing your point rather than avoiding it.

 

 

So land gives Oren an advantage because it's "defensible"? Have you ever been to Urguan?

 

Numbers do not win MC battles. Organization and skill does. The Dwarves has just as much numbers as Oren, yet lost because of organization. Numbers do not impact war.

 

This isn't a arguement. It never was. I refuse to get in such a silly bicker fest. You stated your opinion on what I think already, and it was enough to show me that any arguement with you wouldn't work. My point was already made, though. I am more like a cheer leader, you people can argue I'll just sit on the sidelines and cheer whichever side looks better ;)

[Silevon 497]

Okay so you didn't conquer anything in a while, and?

I didn't even mention the war.

If you don't think numbers are extremely important them you're just plain wrong. Yes skills and tactics matter but numbers are more important.

I did not say you had half the staff, nor did I say you had 3 gms. See, "..." Means the list continues.

And you'd be naive to believe your final statement.

 

We haven't conquered a lot in the while, you just disproved your own argument. We are not conquering the world, and we only own about a large quarter of it. By mentioning conquering, friend, you're mentioning war. Same thing. Prove to me numbers mean a lot in war. You did mention GMs, when you replied to my own argument.

[Neri 3590]

You should try arguing your point rather than avoiding it.

 

 

So land gives Oren an advantage because it's "defensible"? Have you ever been to Urguan?

 

Numbers do not win MC battles. Organization and skill does. The Dwarves has just as much numbers as Oren, yet lost because of organization. Numbers do not impact war.

 

Land does give Oren an advantage, but not like you'd think. Because Oren is split up into innumerable tiny counties, it makes waging war on it a slow and painful process. I think Urguan is far less complex in this manner, meaning larger swathes of land can be captured in one go. But that's just how I see it, and I could be wrong entirely.

 

Back onto topic... well, as ontopic as this discussion can be!

 

What you fail to see here is that the leaders of both sides are working together to make the battles as fair and enjoyable as possible, so you really have nothing to complain about - if you do have complaints, voice them to whoever is coordinating the war and i'm sure they'll consider it.

 

Finally, the PVP plugin was an accident, so that's not a valid arguing point for "This war is unfair."

either.

 

 

[sorry for crazy editing, I'm super-scrambled in the brain department at the moment.]

 

Final edit: This topic will only remain open for discussion on the war and racial benefits. Please keep it civil guys, we're all on the same side here... the side of fun!

[Praetor 1550]

We haven't conquered a lot in the while, you just disproved your own argument. We are not conquering the world, and we only own about a large quarter of it. By mentioning conquering, friend, you're mentioning war. Same thing. Prove to me numbers mean a lot in war. You did mention GMs, when you replied to my own argument.

 

Numbers mean less in war. In Total War I can beat 3000 orcs with 300 well trained elves. But hey, this is MC and if you wanna believe numbers don't matter in PVP you go ahead and believe that, not going to bother arguing if we're both decided to not change our minds.

 

So what if you haven't conquered in a while, following what you said you didn't need to conquer when you did so tell me how I dissaproved my own argument that said you didn't need to conquer in the first place, hmm?

If you think conquering means war then:

-1939 Austria Germany 

should be your keywords.

 

Yup, I did.

[Pnoynoy 108]

Then don't use it as an arguing point. I have seen people strawman GM's multiple times in the past with little proof to back up their claims, painting them in a bad light that simply isn't an accurate portrayal of reality.

 

If you have an issue with a GM, feel free to PM it to an Admin! We're not monsters, you know. (Except Mogroka, he probably eats babies for breakfast and has an oil hoard.)

I knew this would be said :I And never in my life would i go to an Admin, rarely is it actually dealt with and the best possible outcome is that you are looked down upon for being an idiot to say a staff member is wrong.

So land gives Oren an advantage because it's "defensible"? Have you ever been to Urguan?

 

Numbers do not win MC battles. Organization and skill does. The Dwarves has just as much numbers as Oren, yet lost because of organization. Numbers do not impact war.

*takes a deep breath* "No they do not have as large numbers. And we are still talking about the Racial traits. i would like you to have 20 Humans VS 10 orcs and see who wins. Tell you what, organize a skirmish, with less men than they have and see what happens. Numbers are a mental barrier, the moral and will to fight lessens as well as creating confusion when hit by two at the same time, it also hurts a lot more.

[Solaba 144]

Land does give Oren an advantage, but not like you'd think. Because Oren is split up into innumerable tiny counties, it makes waging war on it a slow and painful process. I think Urguan is far less complex in this manner, meaning larger swathes of land can be captured in one go. But that's just how I see it, and I could be wrong entirely.

Back onto topic... well, as ontopic as this discussion can be!

What you fail to see here is that the leaders of both sides are working together to make the battles as fair and enjoyable as possible, so you really have nothing to complain about - if you do have complaints, voice them to whoever is coordinating the war and i'm sure they'll consider it.

Finally, the PVP plugin was an accident, so that's not a valid arguing point for "This war is unfair."

either.

[sorry for crazy editing, I'm super-scrambled in the brain department at the moment.]

Exactly what I needed/wanted to hear. The plugin was way out of proportion, especially at a time like this.

I was generally mad overall that PvP became broken.

[Neri 3590]

I knew this would be said :I And never in my life would i go to an Admin, rarely is it actually dealt with and the best possible outcome is that you are looked down upon for being an idiot to say a staff member is wrong.

 

This is not true at all!

 

Mau is tough yet fair on us, just like he should be. If one of us steps out of line, it is the duty of our peers to notify Mau or an Admin of it so it can be dealt with. And trust me, it shall be dealt with.

 

I, personally, would never look down on a player for trying to improve the server. To do so would be to trample on what it means to be a GM.

 

Sorry for the offtopic. I guess I'm trampling already...

[Praetor 1550]

This is not true at all!

 

Mau is tough yet fair on us, just like he should be. If one of us steps out of line, it is the duty of our peers to notify Mau or an Admin of it so it can be dealt with. And trust me, it shall be dealt with.

 

I, personally, would never look down on a player for trying to improve the server. To do so would be to trample on what it means to be a GM.

 

Sorry for the offtopic. I guess I'm trampling already...

 

 

Two times in my time in the server I Pm'd a admin about a problem I had with a GM or something I thought the GM had done wrong. Two times the Pm's got ignored...soooooo..yeah.

[Neri 3590]

Two times in my time in the server I Pm'd a admin about a problem I had with a GM or something I thought the GM had done wrong. Two times the Pm's got ignored...soooooo..yeah.

 

Sorry to sound like a politician here, but things have changed. I promise you that.

[Praetor 1550]

Sorry to sound like a politician here, but things have changed. I promise you that.

 

I'l believe that when I see it. 

[Shadeleaf 1022]

If you want the story, I was putting LotC-Core on the server for a brief period of time to test out a few things, more than 90% of it was disabled entirely, but for some reason the temporary damage changes DID go thorugh.

I would have removed it yesterday if my internet was working, my DNS lookup server broke so I have to go ahead and fix it now which may take a few days

-Telanir

 

The PvP changes were not meant to be added.

 

I believe this was stated on page 12. Perhaps we could cut everything right now until Tela-bunny's interwebs are fixed... may be a bit though, as because of:

[Solaba 144]

He already got it fixed.

[craotor 617]

As I said before,I believe that if a race is  buffed then it should also have a debuff.That way things are balanced out.For example orks do alot of damage but are either slower or their hunger decreases more quickly,elfs do a good amount of damage but are more fragile then humans.Using mc mechanics to make the races different is great,it makes them more unique and funner to play but you cant only buff a race and not add a debuff.People will get pissed off and complain about it((The forums are a great example of that))

 

But that being said I believe that the plugin isnt finished yet so we should be pacient because they will probably add alot more stuff to it soon.