DecoLamb

So you're saying that everyone else that spent countless hours of their time didn't love what they were doing as well? Because thing is, being a nation leader is just as crap as being staff. Its also like herding cats, cats who have lazer beams pointed to destroy everything you have spent hours, days, months of work on. Managing people, approving things, having do deal with the drama of riots, uprisings, people just giving you crap for crap sake. Daki is a very perfect example of what being a nation leader can do to a person. He would get up, after a scant few hours of sleep after working double shifts to deal with LOTC drama. His health suffered dramatically dealing with being a nation leader. Mogroka's health suffered, he would constantly fall asleep in TS and be so exhausted he could only babble incoherently before literally passing out on his desk. Hell, I was driven to tears the handful of times I attempted to lead a group. What about Native? He was driven to stress and couldn't even pursue things he wanted in life because he was too busy trying to lead malinor. These are just the people I personally knew that had to deal with it as well. I've had second hand accounts of other nation leaders breaking themselves trying to keep crap together. And they dont get GM powers. They dont get a hammer to loom over people and say 'stop it, or else' as their hard earned work falls apat under them. They didn't get any RP either. When Kais stepped up to be leader of oren, he completely vanished from the RP scene, I never saw lick of him up until he stepped back down. The same has happened as he's gone up to be FM and now GM. I'm not saying you dont deserve recognition, what I'm saying is you don't deserve the only recognition. I'm not sorry to say it but, a lot of non-staff have done a hella lot more for this server than any GM I have ever witnessed since launch to this very day. But once again, that's just my opinion on the matter.

Quity dont' be a butt. Its true. I'm saying what I've done because that's what I know for sure. Countless others have done a hella lot more than me. Look at Xerdun, if that's even the right name my memory is horrid. He created an entire new race, And has by far been the only one to ever succeed that in LOTC's history. Where's his statue? He was never staff or anything, just a another player, but he reshaped this server like nobody did or ever has since. There was some other fellow, again im terrible with names, but he created a forth nation between oren and krugmar, arlas, which was the very first successful mixed race nation that pushed the very first line of 'you don't need to be part of a racial capital for rp'. What about all of the undead? They literally shaped this server's lore and how it came to be. Do they get a graveyard? Do they get a statue and fancy floating text? What about Timelord and Zarsies? They're not GMs but they sure as hell sculpted the majority of everything that was ever pretty on this server, at least in my opinion. What about the druids? They've been a big influence on how the server has been shaped, theyve always been a huge presence. Where's their graveyard? Where's their commendation for the hundreds of groves and pretty places to rp that they have sculpted over the years? How about the Flays? Yeah we all hate them, but the thing is a lot of the defenses and ways we build our cities comes from defending against them. What about whats his face, the guy who starmarked 'messy midevil' and basically reshaped how 90% of settlements on this server are built and designed? The GMs barely do their jobs sometimes, but they get a statue? Yeah I get its probably really silly to seem all up in arms about some pixelized, ham-fisted gesture of a thank you to a staff team. But cant people actually saying thank you be good enough? Because to me, they havnt done even a fraction as much as the players themselves have done, the community has done. I dunno, I guess that's why it feels like ego stroking to me, because to me, it feels like a way of saying 'Oh you were staff at one point in time youre speshul' But hey, that's just my 2 cents.

No.. no it really is ego stroking. Staff do help shape LOTC, and so do donators. But I'm still asking myself "Okay and?" I helped build three entire nations, multiple cities, and helped with multiple lore points. Didn't that help shape the server? What about people who write significant amounts of lore, or create the map? What about the entire playerbase, who if they weren't here, neither would the server? Not to mention a lot of staff were more detrimental to the server than shaping it, or simply existent within it. or that no mention of what they actually DID is there either. Its just a jumble of names that really didn't do jackall for the server, just a notice of 'oh, they were a gm'. I'm sorry if it seems really rude or mean or crass but.. that isn't that special in my opinion.

We don't need it, but we don't not need it either, it doesn't hurt to have it. I'd rather have them building cool shizzle for people to actually do events in, instead of a glorified ego stroker.

I still don't understand why we need a GM graveyard. Just something that never made sense to me.

Yeah this happens a lot, just pull out the custom data items like potions or special things and then use INVTweak, then just place the special stuff in by hand. It also doesn't work in donator chests.

Deco, please read the post, I know you can do that. Territories is not anything remotely close to Nexus-Regions, and nothing is being fixed, only added. :) I did read the post, and to my perspective, it is basically modded nexus, which we don't need. Things are literally fine as they are,and I think the talent and time of our coders can be devoted elsewhere. Yes, it sounds pretty cool. Yes, it's probably very well designed. Yes, it might be useful. But based on the original post which I have read, and by its own admittance, this plugin is very similar to nexus but with some minor differences. It's basically tweaked Nexus. The vast majority didn't like nexus, and we removed it for a reason. The charter system works, its fine.

hated nexus regions the first time, gonna hate it again. Just use worldguard and have staff pay attention like they have been. Simple stuff that ain't broken don't needa be 'fixed'.

Do you like butts?

Except orcs.

"Odd.. I know my little Spark can jump almost three meters.."

Tuiru sits quietly in her stable, resting against the rolls of hay. A young colt nuzzles against her bandaged leg, the young ker brushing its upright mane, "I do so hope that people remember to read that bartering is available.."

All throughout the various cities and towns, a simple bit of parchment has been hung. the text upon it is simple, clean, and overall unremarkable. One would easily overlook the posting, save for its pinnet, a large, blazingly red dahlia flower. As of late, my herd has grown far to large for me to care for. Thus, I have decided to sell off surplus mares and gelded yearlings. Each equine in my herd is of good stock, fit and strong with strong legs and wonderful conformation, sure to please all from the common cart-driver to the most scrutinizing of equine enthusiasts Dependent on the desired mount, prices will range from five hundred mina, to one thousand. Bartering is plausible as well for those who do not carry monetary wealth. Should you wish to purchase one, send a bird to Tuiru D'laronge, or request her at the gates of the mali'ker city of Vivec. All purchases are final and contract bound.

Someone probably forgot to/miss click the secondary point before doing a command. This is why I obsessively clear my chat when doing WE and voxel so I can make sure I see doubles of point selection.

This is why you should store books yourself on googledocs people..

You can stop now.