Another unwritten rule to **** with our logistics and planning up to now? What's the point of a pillage if items can be moved, even moreso now that GMs don't want the city to be scarred? People ***** about wars but all I see here is it being prolonged by bullshit rules that have no solicitation until after the fact. If Oren does win this WC then what /will/ be enforced, then, seeing as our loss results in a 2 month waiting period? To be frank after the Hanseti snowball fight fiasco I doubt the defender's ability to take the effects of a pillage warclaim seriously in any matter of roleplay.