Regarding The Zionist War

[HappyShackles 886]

Regarding the Zionist War and Recent Ban Reports

 

It is my belief that the OOC hostilities have gone far out of hand with regard to this war. It has begun to result in a great deal of unnecessary accusations and repercussions on both sides.

 

The fact of the matter is that neither side followed any raid rules whatsoever for several days. Any ban reports regarding the violation of raid rules, on both sides, appear to me as a method by which to exercise dominance OOCly over an IC foe, and attempt to damage the opposition.

 

Some people who consider themselves part of the Oren faction are indeed rude and disrespectful; they break rules such as griefing and so on. However, all sides are going to have people who want to have a respectful IC conflict and I believe that it is possible to achieve this.

 

Therefore, while I would like all ban reports on those who violated rules that we believed were not in effect to be removed, I will simply humbly ask as your fellow server member this;

 

Please don't post any more. Bans are not how wars should be fought. Once one ban report goes flying, more come, as you've seen, and nobody wins. I'm sorry about the frustration this war has caused everyone on both sides, but IC decisions have IC consequences and we have to handle the In Character. 

 

I respect Zezimus and Erik and Mirtok and Dokahn and I have lots of friends involved in other nations. I have nothing against them or any of their 'men'. I hope that I can help offer a more friendly tone and that my fellow Orenians can do the same.

 

Anyone who agrees with me please say so and explain any other reasoning I may have missed.

 

Those who believe differently I would like to hear your side of the story, or your opinion regarding the war in general.

 

Thank you guys very much, I appreciate the time and I hope this works out.

[Hiebe 2493]

This is why rules and battles need to be fairly laid out and rules understanded by the players and the GMs overseeing.

 

Idk I was having fun till oreners tried to no rp kill me, but i was able to work it out and decided not to BR. I was happy.

[Aelu / Rel (Combustionary) 1540]

If people break rules, they don't deserve to 'not' be ban-reported.

 

Instead of going after the people who BR, we should go after those who break the rules. Everyone doing something doesn't justify it.

[Lago 2572]

It's forum drama. Ignore it and by tomorrow an admin will come and clean up the mess.

[Z3r05t4r 855]

It's forum drama. Ignore it and by tomorrow an admin will come and clean up the mess.

 

Wrong attitude. Make remove.

[knightly11 | lotc_fox 111]

why do we even need to have a war, why cant we all just be friends? :(((

[Cracker 4570]

If people break rules, they don't deserve to 'not' be ban-reported.

 

Instead of going after the people who BR, we should go after those who break the rules. Everyone doing something doesn't justify it.

 

So you'd advocate the banning of every belligerent in this conflict? That's a terrible administrative policy and doesn't get to the actual heart of the problem. Both sides had little issue with the 8+ raids and even if they did the issue could have easily been addressed through a stern warning given how commonplace the rule violation was. Bans will only lead to more bans, which lead to even more bans as people scrounge through their MC folders to find screenshots of little things. Believe it or not, entire governments being vanished overnight due to bans is not conducive to server health or roleplay.

[Neri 3590]

Everyone will probably get unbanned tomorrow... By midway through next week nobody will even remember it happened.

[Cyndikate 2303]

It's forum drama. Ignore it and by tomorrow an admin will come and clean up the mess.

I've seen forum drama last a week.

[HappyShackles 886]

If people break rules, they don't deserve to 'not' be ban-reported.

 

Instead of going after the people who BR, we should go after those who break the rules. Everyone doing something doesn't justify it.

I am not 'going after' anyone, my friend. In fact I'm attempting to negate that entire way of thinking; I'm asking no one to 'go for' anyone. If someone no-RP kills you, talk to them about it. If both sides are not following the rules with raiding parties over eight, and someone has an issue, discussing it thoroughly would cause much less toxicity than posting a ban report; the nature of ban reports to be the creation of grudges, disdain, and general hostility.

[Cyndikate 2303]

How about no one breaks the rules in the first place?

[monkeypoacher 8055]

How about no one breaks the rules in the first place?

 

It isn't possible. We have a tangled net of written and unwritten rules that have been designed so that they are vague enough to invoke in various situations, and there is no judicial system besides a team of potentially biased GMs that have no idea what it's like to be a player because they sit around in godmode and creative constantly and thus have no need for items.

[Lago 2572]

That, and people break the clear rules no matter how well they're conveyed.

[argonian 14254]

It isn't possible. We have a tangled net of written and unwritten rules that have been designed so that they are vague enough to invoke in various situations, and there is no judicial system besides a team of potentially biased GMs that have no idea what it's like to be a player because they sit around in godmode and creative constantly and thus have no need for items.

Too true.

[zaezae 1098]

LOTC is having a melodrama problem and it's growing worse and worse. The rules aren't that hard.