[Ooc] A Proposition For The Dwarf/oren War.

[Knox213 10]

A proposition for the Dwarf/Oren war.

 

Well folks, a week into this war and there’s already been a ton of disputes on both sides, and lets be honest, adding fuel to the fire isn’t benefiting both sides at all, now. As my time as a nation leader I realised that two wrongs don’t make a right, which is partly why I PK’d my character.

People on both sides were being ban reported left right and center, which caused OOC arguments between both nations, in the end, I said to a few of my nobles.

“There’s no point in us continuing this war, it’s damaging role play and our friends are being banned.”

Now, this isn’t me saying “NO MORE WAR!1! WAR IS BAD”

Because war isn’t, war is something which benefits roleplay in some degree, activity boosts up, people can have some fun to some extent.

Anyway, during the Anthos war we had trench warfare set up, now. That was a good idea to some degree, barely any ban reports were put up, both sides had fun but the problem with that was, the spawn was close and both sides kept returning. In the end the GM’s turned around and said “No” to the idea of it, and since then it’s just been thirty plus players raiding one settlement.

Bring back trench warfare.

Why?

We have a decent map and locations we can set this up in so that it does not affect roleplay and both sides can fight in, cities and towns won’t be affected and players can genuinely have fun once more. Not to mention, it’ll stop the countless ban reports.

Anyway, this is just my thoughts, but seeing players on both sides being potentially banned for pretty much trying to have fun is wrong.

I’d like to hear everybody elses thoughts on this.

I put this together in the space of like, five minutes. Mainly just because i’m sick and tired of seeing **** being said on both sides and genuinely would just like to see both sides having fun rather than being at each others throats all the time.

[mmat 7460]

If the dwarves would stop being whiny and petty then it'd be fine. There's been no ban reports from the Oren side, even though plenty of minor offences have been commited by the dwarves.

[Knox213 10]

The dwarves are whining because they're being attacked in their home city, visa versa for Vekaro. Having a war zone set up as we did in Anthos works well, since anybody can turn up and fight and it doesn't affect roleplay within cities. Thats genuinely the point I am trying to get across.

[JVQ 1719]

This is pretty much the first ban report, as for Trench Warfare.

​My reservations are:

1) The area of suggested trench warfare is right in the middle of the map and right where new players go.

2) Unlike Anthos, one side is now heavily outnumbered and I feel like Oren will just bring 70 people.

3) Last time roleplay was broken by Trench warfare.

[Hiebe 2493]

I dont mind trenches but that will just make it a war zone and we had a public service announcement last time reminding people of not to just auto PvP.

Meh its already going south I assume it will be forced stopped after the first warclaim

[Bucky_24 132]

((Knox is True King))

While I hold absolutely no power, I think as a commoner I think I should point out that both sides should just move battles a little bit away from towns. Do you really get anything for raiding capitals? Not really.. besides 15 minutes of 'Open the gate so we shalt duel!'. The nation leaders should specify certain zones, not in the center, but off to the side or something. Have the tent camps with regular battles at certain times. You can't punish the Humans because they have a larger player base. Not only is it Lore-Appropriate, but it also forces more tactical rp. Dwarves have to come up with tactics, traps, and allies to assist them. Just my two cents. 

[Nathan_Barnett36 1564]

This is pretty much the first ban report, as for Trench Warfare.

​My reservations are:

1) The area of suggested trench warfare is right in the middle of the map and right where new players go.

2) Unlike Anthos, one side is now heavily outnumbered and I feel like Oren will just bring 70 people.

3) Last time roleplay was broken by Trench warfare.

Please tell me how is it our fault that you now have less dwarves as you used to, Oren is a empire.... of course we will have loads of people. You only oppose it because you know you would be outnumbered which is an rp issue and you would need to recruit people to help your side. 

 

As with the suggested area, just move it elsewhere. It does not have to be where new players go.

The breaking of the role play is your opinion and your opinion only.

[argonian 14254]

This is pretty much the first ban report, as for Trench Warfare.

​My reservations are:

1) The area of suggested trench warfare is right in the middle of the map and right where new players go.

2) Unlike Anthos, one side is now heavily outnumbered and I feel like Oren will just bring 70 people.

3) Last time roleplay was broken by Trench warfare.

You'd be outnumbered just as Oren was in the Zion war.

[Zezimus 1523]

You'd be outnumbered just as Oren was in the Zion war.

 

Not entirely true, I think for most of the raids, the sides were relatively even in numbers. Both sides had their moments of glory and defeat, but it was only really when the actual battle came that Oren was outnumbered. Just to give you an example of the active character cards on the server from around a month ago.

 

From Sporadic's thread - http://www.lordofthecraft.net/topic/109906-stats-the-denizens-of-lotc

 

255 human, 26 northener, 6 southeron

8 halfling

90 elf, 42 high elf, 27 dark elf, 21 wood elf

33 dwarf, 0 forest dwarf, 4 cave dwarf, 4 mountain

29 orc, 1 goblin, 1 olog

4 kha, 3 pantera, 0 leparda, 2 tigrasi, 1 cheetrah

 

 

By the sounds of it, a great deal of OOC hostility would be avoided if both sides actually just stuck to the server's war rules. In the last two wars, both sides were able to be more lenient as the sides were relatively even. In this case however, one side is heavily outnumbered by the other, in a war they did not want, nor call for. After months of attempting to reform the dwarves' role play, it's understandable why they don't want to be constantly PvPing each and every minute they log into the server. Oren needs to respect this, else these ban reports are inevitable.

[Hiebe 2493]

Lets all be at each others throats cause that will solve everything and get you your pixels.

Both sides need to grow the **** up, its a fricken video games.

I know exactly.how to solve this problem, dwarves go back underground and stop acting like surface humans.

[Knox213 10]

By the sound of it, a great degree of OOC hostility would be avoided if both sides actually just stuck to the server's war rules. In the last two wars, both sides were more able to be more lenient as the sides were relatively even. In this case however, one side is heavily outnumbered by the other, in a war they did not want, nor call for. After months of attempting to reform the dwarves' role play, it's understandable why they don't want to be constantly PvPing each and every minute they log in. Oren needs to respect this, else these ban reports are inevitable.

This actually reminds of a time not too long ago? Remember?

[Nathan_Barnett36 1564]

This is pretty much the first ban report, as for Trench Warfare.

​My reservations are:

1) The area of suggested trench warfare is right in the middle of the map and right where new players go.

2) Unlike Anthos, one side is now heavily outnumbered and I feel like Oren will just bring 70 people.

3) Last time roleplay was broken by Trench warfare.

Please tell me how is it our fault that you now have less dwarves as you used to, Oren is a empire.... of course we will have loads of people. You only oppose it because you know you would be outnumbered which is an rp issue and you would need to recruit people to help your side. 

 

As with the suggested area, just move it elsewhere. It does not have to be where new players go.

The breaking of the role play is your opinion and your opinion only.

[SodaiKamikaze 652]

._.

 

Alright people, calm down a bit, eh? 

I think that we as the dwarves shouldnt really be holding Oren to that 8 person vs 8 person standard **** anymore. Come on, with one warclaim, we would be facing the full force of Oren's army, not a squad of 8 people.. We might aswell begin getting practice fighting larger numbers through the little skirmishes so we are ready to NOT get bum-rushed by Oren on Warclaim Day. Just give this some thought my good friends. Alot of thought actually.

[Zezimus 1523]

Please tell me how is it our fault that you now have less dwarves as you used to, Oren is a empire.... of course we will have loads of people. You only oppose it because you know you would be outnumbered which is an rp issue and you would need to recruit people to help your side. 

 

As with the suggested area, just move it elsewhere. It does not have to be where new players go.

The breaking of the role play is your opinion and your opinion only.

 

Humans and elves have a lot more server applicants than dwarves and orcs. Always has been that way since Aegis. The dwarves aren't annoyed about that however, they're simply asking that Oren stick to the rules so that role play isn't completely destroyed here.

 

This actually reminds of a time not too long ago? Remember?

 

I suggest you read the edits I made at the top of my first post.

[Shadowjax 140]

 

I suggest you read the edits I made at the top of my first post.

 

I believe he's referring to the declarations of war upon Oren after the establishment of Carrion rule and the massive government reforms that came along with it.