September Community Survey Results

[DecoLamb 959]

>Post results of community survey.

>Becomes thread about high elves within first page.

>High elves always compared to Nazi.

>High Elves are now instruments of Godwins Law.

 

BEWARE! Opinions below!

Anyway.. can we not do this again? High elves are high elves. I don't see the complaint honestly. I was able to get integrated among them within the span of two days, i find the roleplay easy and rather enjoyable. Those that complain.. just find another area and group. Its seriously not that hard. There's at least 50+ people on every time I care enough to log in. Often there are 100+ The lowest I have seen is 24 people exactly.

 

Please, stop trying to change high elven culture. The quirks it has makes it unique to itself, and I'd rather play a culture and race with likes and dislikes rather than 'everybody needs to love each other and get along'. This isn't an episode of Barney, people.

[WuHanXianShi14 0]

High elves are being discussed because they are a relevant topic to why the graph shows how a big portion of players choose not to be involved with the main racial nations. It is not the only nation under discussion as I have brought up Oren (another playerbase I RPed with extensively) as well. And I don't think anyone is complaining, as opposed to making suggestions based on the information provided to us by the graph.

[Aedan The Bard 350]

>Post results of community survey.

>Becomes thread about high elves within first page.

>High elves always compared to Nazi.

>High Elves are now instruments of Godwins Law.

 

BEWARE! Opinions below!

Anyway.. can we not do this again? High elves are high elves. I don't see the complaint honestly. I was able to get integrated among them within the span of two days, i find the roleplay easy and rather enjoyable. Those that complain.. just find another area and group. Its seriously not that hard. There's at least 50+ people on every time I care enough to log in. Often there are 100+ The lowest I have seen is 24 people exactly.

 

Please, stop trying to change high elven culture. The quirks it has makes it unique to itself, and I'd rather play a culture and race with likes and dislikes rather than 'everybody needs to love each other and get along'. This isn't an episode of Barney, people.

 

They're being used as an example to discuss a matter regarding the results of the survey. I am yet to see anyone calling them nazis. If anything, personally speaking, I'm trying to figure out why they're considered an issue and providing advice to tweak them according, again, to the survey results and the implications. We are not trying to change the new High Elf culture, either. There's nothing to worry about. This is not another complaint thread about a subrace, let alone a flame war. It's all chill and constructive, yes?

If you'd like us to stop talking about the High Elves, I guess we can use a different example?

Also: no groups can be attacked nor targeted for aggression, as, on the forums, we're all one single community. What we role-play and all of that stuff is not all that relevant in this thread.

Let's all work together on analyzing the results, the implications, and the meaning behind them to help the staff out for once, eh? Let's do our job as the playerbase.

[Fredfort (jens6851) 283]

 

 

Please, stop trying to change high elven culture. The quirks it has makes it unique to itself, and I'd rather play a culture and race with likes and dislikes rather than 'everybody needs to love each other and get along'. This isn't an episode of Barney, people.

 

The current High Elven culture in general discourages cooperative roleplay made for them outside their own community. Furthermore, there's a huge difference between changing a culture and being more open to roleplay given to them by outsiders. Instead of being dismissing and plain rude to the other races, The High Elves could threat them as children or just as they should be, lesser. Show the child around their magnificent and much more sophisticated city. After all, The High Elves live for thousand of years, a few minutes of their time hurts no-one. Their culture does not make it so you can not roleplay with other people. The typical city High Elves (in general) just simply don't. 

 

Showing more pride for their heiritage, instead of actual hatred for the other races, could potentially enhance the roleplay within their city while creating some for others too. After all. Roleplay is about giving to your fellow players. You create histories which you share and you inspire one another to be creative.

 

But it's just a thought I felt like sharing, mainly because as a player who're currently playing a Human character, I miss roleplay from the Elves and at the time have no real opportunity to engage in such with them as they in a sense is a closed community. Which is of course, from my point of view, sad. Other people may feel this too, which is a perhaps a reason for the little engagement in nation roleplay.

[Stag 3234]

The current High Elven culture in general discourages cooperative roleplay made for them outside their own community. Furthermore, there's a huge difference between changing a culture and being more open to roleplay given to you by outsiders. Instead of being dismissing and plain rude to the other races, you could threat them as children or just as you should, lesser. Show the child around your magnificent and much more sophisticated city. After all, you live for thousand of years, a few minutes of your time hurts no-one. Your culture does not make it so you can not roleplay with other people. The High Elves in general just simply don't. 

 

Showing more pride for your heiritage than actual hatred for the other races could potentially enhance your roleplay while creating some for others to. After all. Roleplay is about giving to your fellow players. Creating histories which you share and inspiring one another to be creative.

 

 

But it's just a thought I felt like sharing, mainly because as a player who're currently playing a Human character, I miss roleplay from the Elves and at the time have no real opportunity to engage in such with them. Which is of course, from my point of view, sad.

 

I actually agree with a lot if not all of that. Well said.

[DecoLamb 959]

I would actually look at the non-popular races more than the two most popular. Maybe look at why nobody is joining the orcs or the kha. Then there's just the fact that some characters dont fit in national areas because they bear traits such as aggression or thievery or dark occultism such as necromancy. Basically 'bad' people. You'd find that outside of nations in independent areas, these are groups that just dont fit into 'normal' society.

 

You get this because people want to break away from the norm and do fanciful things, or fantastical things, or evil things, or strange things, or 'edgy' things, or outrageous things. These kind of characters, 'abnormal' characters, get pushed out, just like they would in reality. No jocks would ever accept a weak, scrawny, boney person onto the team, it is a detriment. No bookclub will allow a member who likes to rip pages apart for papermache into their group either.

 

A good example is my wood elf Alisum, she's loud and aggressive and rather rude, and because of this is very close to being booted out of the elven nation unless she shapes up or keeps her head down. She's chosen the latter and is only spiteful where she knows she can get away with it. She barely manages to fit into the social norm, and thus can stay. Now if she came around and shanked someone, she's gonna get kicked out. If she breaks the rules and goes where she shouldnt, shes gonna get kicked out. If she goes and fills Kalenz' shoes with custard, shes gonna get kicked out.

 

Really its a case of people not wanting to do roleplay that is best described as 'slice of life' with very little extravagance in its thematic tone. That's how the elven nation is. Unless someone can manage to overthrow this style of government in rp and implement a very malinorian 'we dont really give a crap what you do' government, its going to stay that way.

 

That's not to say they don't want new players. New people are always welcome, and I've found that the high elven players were very kind and helpful in giving me the information I needed to play within the 'norm' of high elves.

 

Basically what I'm trying to say is there really isnt anything to discuss. Oren and Mali'aheral are in charge right now because the most influential groups have power and are enforcing that style of 'slice of life' roleplay, which is fine. If you want a more malinorian or ancient oreneian style of roleplay, Alras is actually a very good place. It most resembles more aegian styles in lax but somehow at the same time outrageous behavior in characters.

 

Also, the high elves themselves do call themselves nazis for the humor of it from time to time,and do make little quips for that line of amusement. Snelf armbands anyone?

[Stag 3234]

Sometimes I wonder if the dialect for orcs and kha is their biggest drawback. The RP for both is deep and riveting yet their playerbase have both been consistently smaller. 

[Gillard 18]

I'm really bad with new ideas, but I can suggest an area that needs a little help. 

 

In the graph titled 'What race do you play on your main?' the numbers for Kharajyr are simply pathetic. Either it needs to be more appealing to play as a Kha or there really has to be an extinction. I would prefer the first option as it is quite a cool race but eh... one or two people is more like a group of unique individuals rather than a race.

 

8/10 would complete the survey again.

 

Edit: I really, really have to agree with BrandNewKitten.

[Mithradites 1168]

Everything in the spoiler has to do with the high elves. I don't believe this discussion is appropriate for this thread, but I just wanted to say a lot of things.

 

 

Okay, I'm not going to do the whole paragraph-by-paragraph rebuttal because I find those terribly obnoxious. Before we begin, I need to express how long ago Aegis was--more than two years ago, now. I feel anything that happened then is long, long since become irrelevant. But that's just my opinion, please don't pick on that one! :(

Okay. I argue that the High Elves transition from the Aegisian 'culture' (of which I know little) to current Athera Haelun'or culture was, more-or-less, natural.

 

Something that people forget is that the high elves were the first ever 'bigoted' group to appear on the server. IC, the culture was re-discovered in Asulon, inside the ruins of a grand library. The philosophy of maehr'sae hiylun'ehya was liked, and a number of high elves chose to live in the fashion that these ancient and extinct high elves did. They took the arrogant mindset that they were better than the other races, and always took their time to talk about it. They would lecture visitors who came to their city how fabulous they were and how clever they were, and how great it was to be a high elf. They barred orcs from the city, though, due to significant cultural differences and violence. All very arrogant and so-forth. Marvellous fun.

Now, OOC, the lore was crafted near the end of Aegis (If I get any details wrong, I'm sorry. I've only learned this second-hand for the most part). Work on High Elf culture was started by VonEbs and later on Sporadic, Relinquo_Angelus, Esterlen, and Ranovak joined in. The latter-four wanted something different than the usual Elven shtick, so they took on elements of elves from other sources. So followed a scrambling of bits and bobs and squashing things together. Not every high elf liked the end result, but quite a few did. The guys who wrote it stressed in various threads to all high elves that they were not obliged to act the way Haelun'or did. We were not out to change everything OOC, just that those who wanted to join in, could. So it was thrown at Native, he liked it, and 'lo and behold the library was set up in Asulon. Early days of high-elf land was mainly made up of trying to choose an architecture style they liked. They went from wooden houses to horrendously ugly 6-story towers, and walls were non-existent. They declared their independence from Malinor at this time. Outsiders came into the city freely, and took part in high-elven shenanigans--whether it be snooting around, robbing their houses, drinking with them, attacking them, or just hanging out in general. Though, many individuals took snootiness poorly back in those days and had a tendency to attack. Walls were erected to keep out the less reputable individuals. But then some raids occurred. I forget from whom (probably orcs protesting the racism) but that prompted the high elves to keep their gates shut. Which still goes on today.

 

Then came the orc warclaim, which is when stuff started to get more familiar. Now, the high elves had disagreements with the Mori and their subservient dark elves for a fair while. And there had been a number of skirmishes in and around the city and forests. Considerable trust was lost with them. These Mori and dark elves helped the orcs attack the city, and, to very little surprise from anyone (save perhaps the high elves themselves) it was sacked. The Malinorian High Prince (Haelphon I think it was), who was suspected to have allowed the orcs through his lands to attack, came to Haelun'or a day after the battle and informed a weeping and injured Ellir'siol (The de-facto demagogue) that her people had brought the attack upon themselves. This left a rather poor taste in certain witnesses mouths. For instance, a young and impressionable Lucion Sullas, who had quite a bit of influence over the city for quite a bit of time. Later came the influx of human raids off the the tail of a young and fresh Holy Oren Empire, and the infamous dark elf Rei. So, lets take note of folks they didn't trust/loathed at this point.

Malinor--Who (allegedly) allowed orcs through their lands to attack them,

Dark elves/Mori--For the attacks and aiding their enemies,

Humans--For their ever-expanding empire and raiders,

Orcs--because they were orcs.

 

Its been mentioned that several aspects of the High Elven world, such as the purging and killing of folks that do not agree with them was just an OOC choice. Really, the purging part of this was a very recent addition. There were always nasty High Elves from the beginning. Asulon High Elves like Nelecar championed brainwashing and execution of impure high elves. But this fellow was crazy IC, and very few people gave in to all his ideals. Furthermore, there were characters on the original silver council (Dio Astore, Ellir'siol, Artaeum, and Lucion Sullas) that could keep him in check. But then came other, unchallenged monsters, like Kalenz Uradir (who we will get to in more detail later). IC (and I'm not sure if I should tell you this meta-ish stuff) his mind was corrupted by the Lich Cataris, and ol' Kalenz has slowly been going more and more loco since then. When Dio, Ellir, and Nelecar all went innactive/exiled-suicided, the city was left to the influence of Lucion Sullas (AKA, my character). He was a stern and ardent neutral-pacifist when it came to foreign politics, and never condoned killing of any kind. Even if it was an orc-elf hybrid or something similarly horrible by high-elven standards was more likely to leave quite thoroughly alive. Near the end of Asulon, we joined up with Malinor again out of IC necessity, and spent Elysium and Kalos(?) hanging with them--which was good and bad. I'm not going to go into the OOC, as there was quite a bit of anti-us in those days, but the High Elves themselves actually managed to get one of their Princes into the High Prince station after a semi-coup of Bravepaw by the council. Lucion didn't like that, so he left the Malinor Council. The High elves themselves also found themselves in the midst of a number of impures, religious figures, and other foul things they took unkindly to. They were displeased at the state of things. Come Anthos, they made their way to the new Haelun'or, and were all quite happy to have some space. After the ensuing conflicts Malinor got itself in, the high elves seceded. IC, Lucion didn't wish to make demands for land in the independence declaration, because he felt it was more polite to discuss it in person. Only one meeting upon the subject occurred between himself and Princess Titania, and it was not revisited until a plucky high elf in the service of the Princedom demanded an audience. They denied the request despite the high elves arguing they needed the land directly outside their walls for farming.  Around this time, Oren annexed Malinor's land, and it became a vassal under the Kingdom of Kaedrin, and they gave the high elves the land they needed. OOC I had to go inactive for a while, so Lucion handed leadership over to the young up-and-coming political beast Kalenz Uradir--A mischievous fellow with ties to the Polgrath-lead Arcane Delvers, and the infamous White Rose. Anthos shenanigans included; fighting against druids over cutting down elder trees that were allowing raiders into the city, arguing and getting into trouble with dwarves over one anvil or another, hunting 'The Fallen,' a group lead by an infamous impure, attempting (and failing) to fend off raiders of many nationalities... guh... I am so sick of writing at this point. I'll just sum it up with another list. They now disliked/distrusted

 

Dwarves-- Because anvil business (I know there was significant OOC conflict, but I won't go into that due to the freshness of the bile)

Malinor-- Due to poor relations and bad memories.

Conclave-- because it basically was Malinor in the eyes of the High Elves,

Snow Elves--Because they attacked a party being attended by High Elves,

Orcs--Because they're orcs. 

 

Now add that to Asulon's.

 

Malinor--Who (allegedly) allowed orcs through their lands to attack them,

Dark elves/Mori--For the attacks and aiding their enemies,

Humans--For their ever-expanding empire and raiders,

Orcs--because they were orcs.

 

Now, those they did like:

 

Kha-- Due to close relations that I forgot to write in, and cannot be buggered (Sorry, Tiazar. :( ))

White Rose/assorted humans-- Official alliances and friendly relations.

 

Then came the Fringe, and I think that's recent enough for me not to worry about.

 

The current High Elven attitude towards the other races is due to IC interactions, and not due to OOC. Now that I have pretty much written out our entire history, I am going to have a cup of tea. However, one last thing to consider.

 

The high elves took in the dark elves and the wood elves (as well as the snow elves for a time. Sorry about that, Narthok. ;-; ) and tried to build something with them. Now there have been significant tensions, and certainly quite a number of angry feelings, but one of many results is this: High elves are softening slowly on other races. Dark Elves, Wood Elves and Humans are regarded quite nicely by the citizens, and there has even been an Orc or two wandering around that haven't been killed on sight. The main square of the city is almost always open to anyone who doesn't cause trouble. Is there another natural change upon the horizon? Perhaps! Who knows? I'm going to drink tea now.

Tl;dr: Things happened that are covered in the previous paragraphs.

[Dalek348 1962]

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[Fredfort (jens6851) 283]

Everything in the spoiler has to do with the high elves. I don't believe this discussion is appropriate for this thread, but I just wanted to say a lot of things.

 

 

Okay, I'm not going to do the whole paragraph-by-paragraph rebuttal because I find those terribly obnoxious. Before we begin, I need to express how long ago Aegis was--more than two years ago, now. I feel anything that happened then is long, long since become irrelevant. But that's just my opinion, please don't pick on that one! :(

Okay. I argue that the High Elves transition from the Aegisian 'culture' (of which I know little) to current Athera Haelun'or culture was, more-or-less, natural.

 

Something that people forget is that the high elves were the first ever 'bigoted' group to appear on the server. IC, the culture was re-discovered in Asulon, inside the ruins of a grand library. The philosophy of maehr'sae hiylun'ehya was liked, and a number of high elves chose to live in the fashion that these ancient and extinct high elves did. They took the arrogant mindset that they were better than the other races, and always took their time to talk about it. They would lecture visitors who came to their city how fabulous they were and how clever they were, and how great it was to be a high elf. They barred orcs from the city, though, due to significant cultural differences and violence. All very arrogant and so-forth. Marvellous fun.

Now, OOC, the lore was crafted near the end of Aegis (If I get any details wrong, I'm sorry. I've only learned this second-hand for the most part). Work on High Elf culture was started by VonEbs and later on Sporadic, Relinquo_Angelus, Esterlen, and Ranovak joined in. The latter-four wanted something different than the usual Elven shtick, so they took on elements of elves from other sources. So followed a scrambling of bits and bobs and squashing things together. Not every high elf liked the end result, but quite a few did. The guys who wrote it stressed in various threads to all high elves that they were not obliged to act the way Haelun'or did. We were not out to change everything OOC, just that those who wanted to join in, could. So it was thrown at Native, he liked it, and 'lo and behold the library was set up in Asulon. Early days of high-elf land was mainly made up of trying to choose an architecture style they liked. They went from wooden houses to horrendously ugly 6-story towers, and walls were non-existent. They declared their independence from Malinor at this time. Outsiders came into the city freely, and took part in high-elven shenanigans--whether it be snooting around, robbing their houses, drinking with them, attacking them, or just hanging out in general. Though, many individuals took snootiness poorly back in those days and had a tendency to attack. Walls were erected to keep out the less reputable individuals. But then some raids occurred. I forget from whom (probably orcs protesting the racism) but that prompted the high elves to keep their gates shut. Which still goes on today.

 

Then came the orc warclaim, which is when stuff started to get more familiar. Now, the high elves had disagreements with the Mori and their subservient dark elves for a fair while. And there had been a number of skirmishes in and around the city and forests. Considerable trust was lost with them. These Mori and dark elves helped the orcs attack the city, and, to very little surprise from anyone (save perhaps the high elves themselves) it was sacked. The Malinorian High Prince (Haelphon I think it was), who was suspected to have allowed the orcs through his lands to attack, came to Haelun'or a day after the battle and informed a weeping and injured Ellir'siol (The de-facto demagogue) that her people had brought the attack upon themselves. This left a rather poor taste in certain witnesses mouths. For instance, a young and impressionable Lucion Sullas, who had quite a bit of influence over the city for quite a bit of time. Later came the influx of human raids off the the tail of a young and fresh Holy Oren Empire, and the infamous dark elf Rei. So, lets take note of folks they didn't trust/loathed at this point.

Malinor--Who (allegedly) allowed orcs through their lands to attack them,

Dark elves/Mori--For the attacks and aiding their enemies,

Humans--For their ever-expanding empire and raiders,

Orcs--because they were orcs.

 

Its been mentioned that several aspects of the High Elven world, such as the purging and killing of folks that do not agree with them was just an OOC choice. Really, the purging part of this was a very recent addition. There were always nasty High Elves from the beginning. Asulon High Elves like Nelecar championed brainwashing and execution of impure high elves. But this fellow was crazy IC, and very few people gave in to all his ideals. Furthermore, there were characters on the original silver council (Dio Astore, Ellir'siol, Artaeum, and Lucion Sullas) that could keep him in check. But then came other, unchallenged monsters, like Kalenz Uradir (who we will get to in more detail later). IC (and I'm not sure if I should tell you this meta-ish stuff) his mind was corrupted by the Lich Cataris, and ol' Kalenz has slowly been going more and more loco since then. When Dio, Ellir, and Nelecar all went innactive/exiled-suicided, the city was left to the influence of Lucion Sullas (AKA, my character). He was a stern and ardent neutral-pacifist when it came to foreign politics, and never condoned killing of any kind. Even if it was an orc-elf hybrid or something similarly horrible by high-elven standards was more likely to leave quite thoroughly alive. Near the end of Asulon, we joined up with Malinor again out of IC necessity, and spent Elysium and Kalos(?) hanging with them--which was good and bad. I'm not going to go into the OOC, as there was quite a bit of anti-us in those days, but the High Elves themselves actually managed to get one of their Princes into the High Prince station after a semi-coup of Bravepaw by the council. Lucion didn't like that, so he left the Malinor Council. The High elves themselves also found themselves in the midst of a number of impures, religious figures, and other foul things they took unkindly to. They were displeased at the state of things. Come Anthos, they made their way to the new Haelun'or, and were all quite happy to have some space. After the ensuing conflicts Malinor got itself in, the high elves seceded. IC, Lucion didn't wish to make demands for land in the independence declaration, because he felt it was more polite to discuss it in person. Only one meeting upon the subject occurred between himself and Princess Titania, and it was not revisited until a plucky high elf in the service of the Princedom demanded an audience. They denied the request despite the high elves arguing they needed the land directly outside their walls for farming.  Around this time, Oren annexed Malinor's land, and it became a vassal under the Kingdom of Kaedrin, and they gave the high elves the land they needed. OOC I had to go inactive for a while, so Lucion handed leadership over to the young up-and-coming political beast Kalenz Uradir--A mischievous fellow with ties to the Polgrath-lead Arcane Delvers, and the infamous White Rose. Anthos shenanigans included; fighting against druids over cutting down elder trees that were allowing raiders into the city, arguing and getting into trouble with dwarves over one anvil or another, hunting 'The Fallen,' a group lead by an infamous impure, attempting (and failing) to fend off raiders of many nationalities... guh... I am so sick of writing at this point. I'll just sum it up with another list. They now disliked/distrusted

 

Dwarves-- Because anvil business (I know there was significant OOC conflict, but I won't go into that due to the freshness of the bile)

Malinor-- Due to poor relations and bad memories.

Conclave-- because it basically was Malinor in the eyes of the High Elves,

Snow Elves--Because they attacked a party being attended by High Elves,

Orcs--Because they're orcs. 

 

Now add that to Asulon's.

 

Malinor--Who (allegedly) allowed orcs through their lands to attack them,

Dark elves/Mori--For the attacks and aiding their enemies,

Humans--For their ever-expanding empire and raiders,

Orcs--because they were orcs.

 

Now, those they did like:

 

Kha-- Due to close relations that I forgot to write in, and cannot be buggered (Sorry, Tiazar. :( ))

White Rose/assorted humans-- Official alliances and friendly relations.

 

Then came the Fringe, and I think that's recent enough for me not to worry about.

 

The current High Elven attitude towards the other races is due to IC interactions, and not due to OOC. Now that I have pretty much written out our entire history, I am going to have a cup of tea. However, one last thing to consider.

 

The high elves took in the dark elves and the wood elves (as well as the snow elves for a time. Sorry about that, Narthok. ;-; ) and tried to build something with them. Now there have been significant tensions, and certainly quite a number of angry feelings, but one of many results is this: High elves are softening slowly on other races. Dark Elves, Wood Elves and Humans are regarded quite nicely by the citizens, and there has even been an Orc or two wandering around that haven't been killed on sight. The main square of the city is almost always open to anyone who doesn't cause trouble. Is there another natural change upon the horizon? Perhaps! Who knows? I'm going to drink tea now.

Tl;dr: Things happened that are covered in the previous paragraphs.

 

Kudos to you, Sir. I'm geniunely glad for the sum up, especially with the last parts regarding the take over of certain people on the political front. It's lovely and interesting to see the clear reasons behind the current High Elven ideals as it explains the culture people usually follow, even if some people don't know of the reasoning it to the point. With the knowledge of this and the lastest history behind the High Elven political elites action I, actually, look very much forward to hear of what will happen next. However, I do stand by my previous point and of course still hope to see it to become easier to engage in roleplay with the High Elves as soon as possible. 

 

I encourage scrollers of this thread to seriously consider reading Mithradites post in the spoiler above. And perhaps even propose that his post should be archieved somewhere as it could give valuable insight in the High Elven culture both now and in the future.

[CosmicWhaleShark 2488]

I came into Haelun'or on a Wood Elf knowing there was going to be tensions, and saying there were/are tensions might genuinely be an understatement, but I did not go into that RP situation thinking everyone was going to hug my character and braid his hair.

 

I think Mith has laid it out quite accurately, two years worth of IC reasoning for the High Elves to act like High Elves. At this stage if you go into their city as another race, and you expect to be appreciated due to your mere presence, you are very naive. It is different RP, it is even hostile RP depending on what you're RPing as and how you conduct yourself, but it is in no way unreasonable or unfair, and the results should very rarely be a surprise to the visitor.

 

In a nation that, at this point, throws some of its criminals (own citizens) into pools of acid, you are not going to be appreciated and accommodated for 'taking a tour' of where these people live. There is nothing stopping you from making a character and trying to change things yourself either, mind you, that is what I'm doing with mine. I personally would not suggest trying to claim the city by fire and sword though.

 

They are open to RP, simply put, there's really no need to embellish. Just come RP with them, if you want to, but you should have some idea of what is going to happen depending on what you're going as. You yourself are entirely responsible, as the visitor, for how they receive you. You are responsible for your character's state of being and their actions, as well as their knowledge of the situation.

 

Stop OOCly telling them what to do. They're a city, not a tourist attraction, people live there. They are not obligated to accommodate you RPly if you're being a murderous prick, or if you want to discuss philosophies of Malinor with them, so on.

[Cyndikate 2303]

Personally. The high elves grew really old.

Maybe I'm taking this to OOC, but the racist, supremist culture just annoys the **** out of me. Everytime I see a high Elven post by Kalenz, I have this sudden powerful urge to break a window. (I still luv ya Kalenz) It used to be when high elves kept to themselves, and there were no issues. But now their RP has come to the point where it's driving other elves/non elves away from cooperative RP.

The culture is doing nothing but driving players away from their settlement, if the constantly closed gate hasn't already. It's a good RP hub, but those who want to be a part of it, is shunned out and are forced to make new characters in order to get some decent roleplay.

For those suggesting to find a new group. It's been a PITA because everyone wants to make their own settlement. Alras was dead, humans were not at their capitals.

I miss Malinor because it was open to everyone else thus being a strong RP hub. It wasn't a huge pain in my spine. But this is coming from a player of a character that barely does anything anymore.

Yeah, politics were ****. But there was always interesting roleplay. The only time you were kicked out and were put out of cities is when you were killing people in public and did overall stupid ****.

These guys can do whatever they want honestly, just include others in their RP instead of telling them to **** off.

[Dalek348 1962]

Whoever is responsible for the emergence of high elves in asulon is responsible for destroying the elf race.

 

They were always kind of the shitty race in aegis, but at least they were sort of noble for example coming to the orcs aid when undead attacked and forging an alliance, they had a cool tree city and a decent military commanded by people like commander blackthorn of the pathfinders, and they had princes and princesses who were actually kind of respected. High elves are, simply put, arseholes and I do not respect them in the slightest

[Mithradites 1168]

Whoever is responsible for the emergence of high elves in asulon is responsible for destroying the elf race.

 

They were always kind of the shitty race in aegis, but at least they were sort of noble for example coming to the orcs aid when undead attacked and forging an alliance, they had a cool tree city and a decent military commanded by people like commander blackthorn of the pathfinders, and they had princes and princesses who were actually kind of respected. High elves are, simply put, arseholes and I do not respect them in the slightest

 

Arseholes for a reason! Don't forget that!