September Community Survey Results

[CosmicWhaleShark 2488]

Within the state Haelun'or there is a town within Fiandra, called Northiel, run by a bisexual Wood Elf alongside his creepy, pale, male, homosexual and human lover. You are free to go there, if they don't accept you, I don't know what to say to you.

 

What I'm getting from these recent responses is the people complaining really don't know what they are even complaining about. Just get back to RP folks.

[Neri 3590]

I don't know why people call the High Elves oppressive when they literally don't give a damn about what your character is unless they're some half-breed abomination. Then again, all races pretty much hate that, or something close. If you play a down-to-earth, unedgy (as in, super ninja assassin lesbian blood-drinking dark elf edgy) then they will treat you just fine IC. 

[Hanrahan 2983]

I don't know why people call the High Elves oppressive when they literally don't give a damn about what your character is unless they're some half-breed abomination. Then again, all races pretty much hate that, or something close. If you play a down-to-earth, unedgy (as in, super ninja assassin lesbian blood-drinking dark elf edgy) then they will treat you just fine IC. 

 

#ServerBiasAgaisntAdunians

[Narthok 10416]

Why do people choose not to RP in racial nations? Because it's boring and there's nothing interesting about it.

 

Racial nations suck, my city located literally on the far northern edge of the pre uncharted map has more rp activity than most of the nation capitals I've seen with the exception of maybe Haelun'or

[AlmondTree 418]

I think Mith has laid it out quite accurately, two years worth of IC reasoning for the High Elves to act like High Elves. At this stage if you go into their city as another race, and you expect to be appreciated due to your mere presence, you are very naive. It is different RP, it is even hostile RP depending on what you're RPing as and how you conduct yourself, but it is in no way unreasonable or unfair, and the results should very rarely be a surprise to the visitor.

 

In a nation that, at this point, throws some of its criminals (own citizens) into pools of acid, you are not going to be appreciated and accommodated for 'taking a tour' of where these people live. There is nothing stopping you from making a character and trying to change things yourself either, mind you, that is what I'm doing with mine. I personally would not suggest trying to claim the city by fire and sword though.

 

They are open to RP, simply put, there's really no need to embellish. Just come RP with them, if you want to, but you should have some idea of what is going to happen depending on what you're going as. You yourself are entirely responsible, as the visitor, for how they receive you. You are responsible for your character's state of being and their actions, as well as their knowledge of the situation.

 

 

Sorry but it has ALWAYS been like this mind you. I remember like yesterday in Anthos with the Malinor/Silver conflict. You have never been the typ that allowed "Impure" and the likes in. Is it right that the average applicant has to abide by all the rules and nationalism that's currently with Elves/Humans. Who blames someone for going and making their own place then lol. 

[CosmicWhaleShark 2488]

Sorry but it has ALWAYS been like this mind you. I remember like yesterday in Anthos with the Malinor/Silver conflict. You have never been the typ that allowed "Impure" and the likes in. Is it right that the average applicant has to abide by all the rules and nationalism that's currently with Elves/Humans. Who blames someone for going and making their own place then lol. 

 

I'm going to try and figure out what you said here, it's a little unclear so my apologies if I misinterpret.

 

Fun fact, by the way - since it seems I'm being lumped in with them in your response, I was not always playing alongside Haelun'or. I also remember the Malinorian/Silver tensions because I was playing a prince for Malinor at the time, and it really wasn't a huge issue in comparison to the rest of Malinor's own issues. Haelun'or wanted to expand outside of their walls, and it was generally decided as a council that we couldn't let them do so, that was about it. We also had humans breathing down our necks, on top of the up and coming Antagonists before some of their many patches, and the general edgies of Malinor. Malinor's general answer to Haelun'or was 'no' and Haelun'or did the crafty thing and solved the issue while Malinor was busy with their other ones.

 

Malinor fell because it could not adapt, in the end. I played ball with them, so did many people, and it wasn't a singular individual or incident that caused the downfall, but rather a very long list of scenarios that displayed poor leadership. One thing that was a huge element in its failure though was in fact the lack of national identity. It's something a lot of Elven states suffer from. Everyone wants to be in one, **** they might even want to lead one, but no one really wants to put the work in. That's where Haelun'or prevails over others, immensely.

 

So, we have that covered, correct? Haelun'or didn't kill Malinor, Malinor killed itself. Haelun'or earned their place on the world stage and as one of their previous political opponents, I salute them for it.

 

Haelun'or has earned the right to set standards within their own domain. If you play a character with red irises and you are not a dark elf, expect to be purged. If you play some demonic assimilation of the various races/subraces, expect to be purged. This is not news, this should not be a surprise, and it most certainly shouldn't be something being addressed OOCly.

 

Finally, we don't blame people for making their own place... See the previous response about Northiel. There is a bisexual wood elf who is in a known relationship with a male human, and he is considered a leader to the high elves, his settlement is acknowledged and protected by a concordant...

 

Again, I realize it may seem easy right now to jump on the bandwagon and hate on high elves, but reading these... Stupid responses, these general statements without any point to them... It just shows myself and others within the relative know that you have no idea what you're complaining about.

[Demotheus 651]

as in, super ninja assassin lesbian blood-drinking dark elf edgy

 

Okay listen here m8 Scylla is not a super ninja assassin, nore is she a lesbian - she's actually not okay with that idea -, but she is a blood drinking dark elf!

 

Not by choice, initially, either! So what's with this descrimination???

[Lym 849]

Okay listen here m8 Scylla is not a super ninja assassin, nore is she a lesbian - she's actually not okay with that idea -, but she is a blood drinking dark elf!

 

Not by choice, initially, either! So what's with this descrimination???

 

lulz.

 

If you're not someone who drinks blood publically and treats it like it's just being casual, then I'm pretty sure you can get away with it easily.

[Demotheus 651]

lulz.

 

If you're not someone who drinks blood publically and treats it like it's just being casual, then I'm pretty sure you can get away with it easily.

 

Eh, she hunts. She has the imp parasite. She's 400 years old so at this point she hardly gives a damn, and considers it a minor inconvenience, though later realized it adds to the whole point of what she does : making her edgyer. 

 

She has a katana.

 

She has no idea how to use it, nor does she intend to. She just. has one, because it's associated with being "edgy". 

 

So yeah.  

[DecoLamb 959]

Think we can get back to discussing why the /other/ nations aren't popular and not whine about the two /most/ popular nations? I think it's already been established in the second and third pages that if you are an 'abnormal' you're not going to be accepted.

 

Lets go back to figuring out why there aren't more adorable kha-kitties and orcish eye-candy walking about.

[WuHanXianShi14 0]

Because Humans and Elves are the most familiar to us culture and appearance wise, therefore most players choose to play what is closest to home.

[Jistuma 1996]

Reasons as to why /I/ don't play in nation's capitals. Though I have a house that is tecnically part of a town of Oren.

 

1. Too much roleplay - Can't really read the emotes and talks of my roleplay.

2. Too little roleplay - No people to roleplay with. It's either one or the other in most cases.

3. Taxes - Nothing wrong with taxes, but easy to find places without them.

4. IC race motives - Can't be in orc, kha, halfling nation towns, leaving only Elf, Dwarf and Human

5. Character represents himself as a half-elf - Living with Humans or Elves might bring problems.

6. Doesn't follow the True Faith - Brings EVEN more problems with living in Oren.

7. Has a Druid elf adopted daughter - Brings EVEN MORE problems with living in Oren.

8. Has Purple Hair - Brings SO MUCH MORE problems with Oren and Elves.

 

Will continue later, not yet complete

[K00l 72]

Kalenz is love, I say, Kalenz is life

[๖ۣۜ§osa (E.G.I.E.) 520]

Halflings and Orcs are the master race yet... such little numbers. More Halflings and Orcs, pronto people!

[Aedan The Bard 350]

Everything in the spoiler has to do with the high elves. I don't believe this discussion is appropriate for this thread, but I just wanted to say a lot of things.

 

 

Okay, I'm not going to do the whole paragraph-by-paragraph rebuttal because I find those terribly obnoxious. Before we begin, I need to express how long ago Aegis was--more than two years ago, now. I feel anything that happened then is long, long since become irrelevant. But that's just my opinion, please don't pick on that one! :(

Okay. I argue that the High Elves transition from the Aegisian 'culture' (of which I know little) to current Athera Haelun'or culture was, more-or-less, natural.

 

Something that people forget is that the high elves were the first ever 'bigoted' group to appear on the server. IC, the culture was re-discovered in Asulon, inside the ruins of a grand library. The philosophy of maehr'sae hiylun'ehya was liked, and a number of high elves chose to live in the fashion that these ancient and extinct high elves did. They took the arrogant mindset that they were better than the other races, and always took their time to talk about it. They would lecture visitors who came to their city how fabulous they were and how clever they were, and how great it was to be a high elf. They barred orcs from the city, though, due to significant cultural differences and violence. All very arrogant and so-forth. Marvellous fun.

Now, OOC, the lore was crafted near the end of Aegis (If I get any details wrong, I'm sorry. I've only learned this second-hand for the most part). Work on High Elf culture was started by VonEbs and later on Sporadic, Relinquo_Angelus, Esterlen, and Ranovak joined in. The latter-four wanted something different than the usual Elven shtick, so they took on elements of elves from other sources. So followed a scrambling of bits and bobs and squashing things together. Not every high elf liked the end result, but quite a few did. The guys who wrote it stressed in various threads to all high elves that they were not obliged to act the way Haelun'or did. We were not out to change everything OOC, just that those who wanted to join in, could. So it was thrown at Native, he liked it, and 'lo and behold the library was set up in Asulon. Early days of high-elf land was mainly made up of trying to choose an architecture style they liked. They went from wooden houses to horrendously ugly 6-story towers, and walls were non-existent. They declared their independence from Malinor at this time. Outsiders came into the city freely, and took part in high-elven shenanigans--whether it be snooting around, robbing their houses, drinking with them, attacking them, or just hanging out in general. Though, many individuals took snootiness poorly back in those days and had a tendency to attack. Walls were erected to keep out the less reputable individuals. But then some raids occurred. I forget from whom (probably orcs protesting the racism) but that prompted the high elves to keep their gates shut. Which still goes on today.

 

Then came the orc warclaim, which is when stuff started to get more familiar. Now, the high elves had disagreements with the Mori and their subservient dark elves for a fair while. And there had been a number of skirmishes in and around the city and forests. Considerable trust was lost with them. These Mori and dark elves helped the orcs attack the city, and, to very little surprise from anyone (save perhaps the high elves themselves) it was sacked. The Malinorian High Prince (Haelphon I think it was), who was suspected to have allowed the orcs through his lands to attack, came to Haelun'or a day after the battle and informed a weeping and injured Ellir'siol (The de-facto demagogue) that her people had brought the attack upon themselves. This left a rather poor taste in certain witnesses mouths. For instance, a young and impressionable Lucion Sullas, who had quite a bit of influence over the city for quite a bit of time. Later came the influx of human raids off the the tail of a young and fresh Holy Oren Empire, and the infamous dark elf Rei. So, lets take note of folks they didn't trust/loathed at this point.

Malinor--Who (allegedly) allowed orcs through their lands to attack them,

Dark elves/Mori--For the attacks and aiding their enemies,

Humans--For their ever-expanding empire and raiders,

Orcs--because they were orcs.

 

Its been mentioned that several aspects of the High Elven world, such as the purging and killing of folks that do not agree with them was just an OOC choice. Really, the purging part of this was a very recent addition. There were always nasty High Elves from the beginning. Asulon High Elves like Nelecar championed brainwashing and execution of impure high elves. But this fellow was crazy IC, and very few people gave in to all his ideals. Furthermore, there were characters on the original silver council (Dio Astore, Ellir'siol, Artaeum, and Lucion Sullas) that could keep him in check. But then came other, unchallenged monsters, like Kalenz Uradir (who we will get to in more detail later). IC (and I'm not sure if I should tell you this meta-ish stuff) his mind was corrupted by the Lich Cataris, and ol' Kalenz has slowly been going more and more loco since then. When Dio, Ellir, and Nelecar all went innactive/exiled-suicided, the city was left to the influence of Lucion Sullas (AKA, my character). He was a stern and ardent neutral-pacifist when it came to foreign politics, and never condoned killing of any kind. Even if it was an orc-elf hybrid or something similarly horrible by high-elven standards was more likely to leave quite thoroughly alive. Near the end of Asulon, we joined up with Malinor again out of IC necessity, and spent Elysium and Kalos(?) hanging with them--which was good and bad. I'm not going to go into the OOC, as there was quite a bit of anti-us in those days, but the High Elves themselves actually managed to get one of their Princes into the High Prince station after a semi-coup of Bravepaw by the council. Lucion didn't like that, so he left the Malinor Council. The High elves themselves also found themselves in the midst of a number of impures, religious figures, and other foul things they took unkindly to. They were displeased at the state of things. Come Anthos, they made their way to the new Haelun'or, and were all quite happy to have some space. After the ensuing conflicts Malinor got itself in, the high elves seceded. IC, Lucion didn't wish to make demands for land in the independence declaration, because he felt it was more polite to discuss it in person. Only one meeting upon the subject occurred between himself and Princess Titania, and it was not revisited until a plucky high elf in the service of the Princedom demanded an audience. They denied the request despite the high elves arguing they needed the land directly outside their walls for farming.  Around this time, Oren annexed Malinor's land, and it became a vassal under the Kingdom of Kaedrin, and they gave the high elves the land they needed. OOC I had to go inactive for a while, so Lucion handed leadership over to the young up-and-coming political beast Kalenz Uradir--A mischievous fellow with ties to the Polgrath-lead Arcane Delvers, and the infamous White Rose. Anthos shenanigans included; fighting against druids over cutting down elder trees that were allowing raiders into the city, arguing and getting into trouble with dwarves over one anvil or another, hunting 'The Fallen,' a group lead by an infamous impure, attempting (and failing) to fend off raiders of many nationalities... guh... I am so sick of writing at this point. I'll just sum it up with another list. They now disliked/distrusted

 

Dwarves-- Because anvil business (I know there was significant OOC conflict, but I won't go into that due to the freshness of the bile)

Malinor-- Due to poor relations and bad memories.

Conclave-- because it basically was Malinor in the eyes of the High Elves,

Snow Elves--Because they attacked a party being attended by High Elves,

Orcs--Because they're orcs. 

 

Now add that to Asulon's.

 

Malinor--Who (allegedly) allowed orcs through their lands to attack them,

Dark elves/Mori--For the attacks and aiding their enemies,

Humans--For their ever-expanding empire and raiders,

Orcs--because they were orcs.

 

Now, those they did like:

 

Kha-- Due to close relations that I forgot to write in, and cannot be buggered (Sorry, Tiazar. :( ))

White Rose/assorted humans-- Official alliances and friendly relations.

 

Then came the Fringe, and I think that's recent enough for me not to worry about.

 

The current High Elven attitude towards the other races is due to IC interactions, and not due to OOC. Now that I have pretty much written out our entire history, I am going to have a cup of tea. However, one last thing to consider.

 

The high elves took in the dark elves and the wood elves (as well as the snow elves for a time. Sorry about that, Narthok. ;-; ) and tried to build something with them. Now there have been significant tensions, and certainly quite a number of angry feelings, but one of many results is this: High elves are softening slowly on other races. Dark Elves, Wood Elves and Humans are regarded quite nicely by the citizens, and there has even been an Orc or two wandering around that haven't been killed on sight. The main square of the city is almost always open to anyone who doesn't cause trouble. Is there another natural change upon the horizon? Perhaps! Who knows? I'm going to drink tea now.

Tl;dr: Things happened that are covered in the previous paragraphs.

A large part of that "Ancient" lore for the High Elves was created due to some... sketchy situation involving the Mori and, well... I rather not talk about it to avoid stirring a grave. In essence, it was made that way on purpose, due to ooc situations that took place in late Aegis involving two specific individuals. I thought it was an important detail to mention.

Anyway,

Let's talk about how we can boost up the other races and settlements, aye?