An Accurate Evaluation

[HappyShackles 886]

Posters are hung up all about the Empire.

 

People of Orenia
On this day, I, a foolish boy under the tutelage of great men, address you on behalf of yourselves, and for the sake of righteousness and truth.
 

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First, I offer you a summary of the events which transpired on the fateful day that this Storm Rebellion began, in shorthand and in order.

- Maric Varodyr and his companion approached Aleksandr Carrion in his Keep in Karovia.
- Maric imparted his wish to, in the future, dissolve the Empire of Oren, and offered Aleksandr the title King of one-third of the Empire. (The other two being Renatus and Aesterwald).
- Aleksandr informed his father of then Ser Maric's intentions towards the Empire.
- Emperor Tuvya called Ser Maric to Petrus, where he and others arrived.
- Ser Maric was stripped of his title of commander of the Red Dragon and his Privy Council position.
- Ser Maric and his loyal Knights left with Tuvya's permission.
- Tuvya, upon hearing that Maric had garrison'd Fort Angren, approa

ched the Fort with armed men.
- Tuvya requested that Maric vacate the castle immidiately, as it is an Imperial holding designated under the peerage, and Maric's right to hold it was stripped along with his titles.
- Maric refused, and after some arguing, Ser Ocran utilized the ballista to fire at the bridge, blowing out part of it.
- Afterwards, Lucas Black used shamanistic powers to call lightning down on Tuvya's party.
- Tuvya declared Ser Maric a traitor after offering him his last chance to vacate Fort Angren.
- Tuvya's party departed.

These are the true and absolute facts, agreed upon by both King Maric and Emperor Tuvya and which can be confirmed by countless eye-witnesses.

 

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However, the series of events listed above are not what proves whom has a righteous hand in the conflict, not to the subjective eye. So instead, we shall observe this objectively, beginning with the rights by which the Storm Lord, King Maric, and his subjects, believe the Kingdom of Renatus should be formed and be independent of the Empire of Oren, and that others should rally to his cause. Rebuttles to each statement, compiled from different constituents of True Orenia loyal to Emperor Tuvya, are listed below each and in bold.
 

- Tuvya is tyrrannical.

 

Tuvya has not once declared war on any besides the Undead and on those whom he views as a traitors. He has been eternally generous to his people and to even Ser Maric himself, prior to the rebellion. Furthermore, the notion of his tyrranny has only surfaced with the recent rebellion and never before that; evidence that the declarations of tyranny are a petty attempt at turning the smallfolk against their benevolent monarch.

Waldenian Comment;

 

"Alas, there are still faults within this 'Foolish' boy's statements." The Wachtmeister would place a parchment labeled the 'Aesterwaldia Ultimatum.' alongside the statement made upon the poster.

 

((https://www.lordofthecraft.net/topic/117087-aesterwaldia-ultimatum/?hl=ultimatum))

 

"Either this, or he may freely consider all of Humanity a 'traitor' and claim the land as he wishes. Nonetheless, it was not by his well graces that this conflict was resolved, no, it was by the rise of the Undead and our faithfulness in the Church."

 

Secession is an inherently treacherous act, no man would dispute this. Therefore, the supplied rebuttle stands.

 

- The Empire is an instrument of oppression and is abused by the Carrion Vochna to subjugate their fellow man and maintain at the forefront of Orenian politics.

The Electorate was formed under the Carrion Vochna. Any Electorate system is inherently dangerous to the ruling House, as removal of them through legal means becomes possible. Therefore, to assume that the Carrions seek to maintain the Empire for the sake of oppressing others can not be true, for it was they who made it possible for themselves to be easily removed.

- The designation of Maric Varodyr as a traitor was for the sake of the elimination of political rivals to the Carrion Vochna, as the Carrions seek to see Aleksandr Carrion ascend to the Imperial Throne, and Maric proclaimed he would not support Aleksandr.

Maric Varodyr held no Electorate votes personally. The only existing Electors at the time of the events were de Savoie, Carrion, and Rovin, with the High Pontiff capable of breaking ties. De Savoie has remained loyal to the Empire since the Storm Lord's rebellion, confirming that they would not support Maric's cause nor answer to him with how they use their vote. Therefore, Ser Maric simply had no legal precedent to be a political opponent to the Carrion Vochna, as he held no direct sway over enough Diet votes.

- Tuvya Carrion and his loyal men are Flays, renowned for banditry and the forsaking of peace and law.

Tuvya's allegiance to the Flays is known, but it is the Flays whom were instrumental in the initial expansion of the Empire in the days of Godfrey. Augustus Flay's ascension to the status of Saint by Bishop John of Darfey is but one example of the Godly necessity of the ruthless and skilled combatants. Regardless, Tuvya does not associate with any Flays. The only relationship he holds to them any longer is that some of his guardsmen are descendents of Flay bannermen, but even then, not Flays themselves.

- House Carrion claims to strive for the unity of all men, yet supports the secession of the Kingdom of Norland from the Konigreich of Aesterwald.

The Kingdom of Norland does not belong, de jure, to the Empire of Oren; whereas Vanderfell does. Norland's desire to secede was not feuled by Orenia, merely supported by it in an attempt to weaken the Waldenian resolve and strip them of their vassal's levy.

- Tuvya is heathenous, for he supports the creation of a pagan Kingdom.

Tuvya is not intolerant, nor does he support the idea of racial or religious subjugation or genocide like Orenian rulers of the past. Regardless, the Kingdom itself is not ruled by a pagan doctrine, only has those within who hold to pagan beliefs. Additionally, it should be noted that the Waldenian King's personal guard was directly comprised of Clan Ovar's soldiery at a time; a pagan group.

Below, several quotes from Renatian propagandists are listed, with rebuttles.

"Now the reason I would rebuke their whole Unity argument would be the fact they granted the Northerners Independence, an act of desperation to win their support but it also means they do not fight for humans to be Unite, they simply fight to try and keep the majority of them under their boot." - Edmund Horen
The Norlanders declared independence after the Waldenians began to aid the Renatians in the field of battle. Tuvya is no warmonger, as shown by his repetative avoidance of war with Aesterwald in the past. He will not simply go to war with those outside of his de jure Empire because they are human and should serve him. He will, however, defeat those who seek to split apart the Empire, for they seek to break apart the Empire and that is a direct threat to the thus far established unity.

"We the rebels do not believe human unity is achieved through an Empire, ever since the departure of Horen V any Empire after his own has been on shaky ground. We believe that human unity is agreed through the cultures and peoples of humanity ruling themselves and being in coalition with one another to work for the betterment of the world itself." - Edmund Horen
In the Age of Five Kings, unity was not prominent. In the time before Godfrey, unity was not prominent. Only under an Empire was humanity ever truly united. If the Empire is split, the blood will be fresh on the field from this war, and leave the door open to countless other petty wars between the divided human nations. The rebels could have achieved unity legally, by attempting to legally maneuver themselves to take power and representation, but instead conspired seditiously.

"The Carrions like to say he broke oaths but Maric is a Knight and his oaths to Chivalry outweigh that of fealty, the Carrions would have him suppress an angry population through force which would directly break his vows to the code of chivalry. Is it better to follow a tyrant for an oath of fealty? Or better to follow a pious code that follows all the best values humanity has to offer." - Edmund Horen
The Knight's Code of Chivalry clearly states that a Knight must valoursly serve his liege. To break this Code is to break his vows of Chivalry. Lord Edmund should study law more closely before fancying himself ready for Bailiff again!

"Was it not Emperor Tuvya, the peoples Emperor, that had only recently stated that the citizens of Oren didn't deserve trial?" - Unknown? (Kalameet)
Actually, they do not. Legally speaking, common men may be convicted without a trial. To say otherwise is simply an attempt to appease the masses and offer societally seditious sentiment. The statesmen under King Meric once again find themselves lacking. This has been the way since Godfrey I's rule; never has legislation been passed offering the common man right to due process.
 

In Ser Edward of Ayr's document, he proclaims blatant lies regarding the events of the beginning of the Storm Rebellion, and here he shall be condemned as a despicible traitor to truth and justice; and therefore not quoted, for his word is as worthless as the wind.

 

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Now that the Renatian sentiments and Orenian rebuttles have been listed, perhaps it would be prudent for the reader to examine the statistics regarding the war. Below are estimations of the force, and shall be updated with the changing of allies or forces. If any feel they have been misrepresented, or not included, please inform me and it shall be edited.

Imperial Levy; 4,000
Karovian Levy; 2,000
Orcish Sect; 2,000

Norlandish Levy; 2,000
Mercenaries; 2,000
Total; 12,000 (120)
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Renatian Levy; 2,000
Waldenian Levy; 2,000
Total; 4,000 (40)

Now consider Tuvya's expansive wealth. He will be capable of supplying his levies with the absolute best equipment available, and hire as many more mercenaries as he pleases.

I believe that is all the information the populace needs to make the decision about whom they should support.

[Charles_Grimlie 1072]

"Alas, there are still faults within this 'Foolish' boy's statements." The Wachtmeister would place a parchment labeled the 'Aesterwaldia Ultimatum.' alongside the statement made upon the poster.

 

- Tuvya is tyrrannical.

 

Tuvya has not once declared war on any besides the Undead and on those whom he views as a traitors.

 

((https://www.lordofthecraft.net/topic/117087-aesterwaldia-ultimatum/?hl=ultimatum))

 

"Either this, or he may freely consider all of Humanity a 'traitor' and claim the land as he wishes. Nonetheless, it was not by his well graces that this conflict was resolved, no, it was by the rise of the Undead and our faithfulness in the Church."

[WuHanXianShi14 0]

Quinlan scribbles something out and makes a poster of his own!

"Look! I can write down random propaganda and call it 'accurate' too!"

 

Aesterwald and Maric's levy:

-6000 men

-4000 members of Konig's harem

-2000 war-monkeys

-1000 pious priests

 

Raevir scum levy:

-4000 sodomites

-2000 wee little girls

-200 circle jerking nobles

-10 Actual soldiers

[Will (TauFirewarrior) 2466]

Edmund raises an eyebrow "The man tells me to get my facts straight, when he claims the Orcs are fighting when they are neutral to both parties."

[Galendar 631]

((Posted by proxy at the request of anonymous parties.))

Posters are hung up all about the Empire.

 

People of Orenia

On this day, I, a foolish boy under the tutelage of great men, address you on behalf of yourselves, and for the sake of righteousness and truth.

*Scraps of paper are pinned underneath.*

"Point made. This is irrelevant."

 

((Why make IC estimates when you're 1. Banned on your main and alt, 2. Not even playing a character in relation to this, as you are banned. It's honestly metagaming and that's bad!))

[DrakeHaze. 2524]

"Hey Orcs. Want to fight without representing your nation? Call yourself a Merc and I'll reward you with a glorious battle, armaments and all the loot you can carry from battle. Good ****, innit?" says Snickers

[Guest]

Aesterwald-nationalist Martin Winter reads through the document with a surprisingly astonished look to his face. He asks of his nearest Waldenian peer, "Where did this foolish peasant learn to write?!"

[Will (TauFirewarrior) 2466]

Aesterwald-nationalist Martin Winter reads through the document with a surprisingly astonished look to his face. He asks of his nearest Waldenian peer, "Where did this foolish peasant learn to write?!"

 

 

"Public school."

"Give him credit, at least he didn't write in broken common, I find it odd how Raevir men somehow write exactly how they speak."

[Ser Paul Ryan 1139]

Ser Paul Ryan clenches his abs as the hit goes home.

 

"OOF!"

[HappyShackles 886]

The young scholar taps his dry quill on a blank parchment as the dissident responses come to him.

 

"Hm... I had thought there would be many dissenters, but never did I think none of them would produce a healthy or respectful challenge to my statements, or at least propogate a logical debate. This only confirms my suspicions regarding their ineligibility as statesmen, surely, unless a few come forward with a more tame mentality. How can the Waldenians or Renatians hope to rule independent nations, if they are so quick to enrage and so rash in their response to a challenge of the precedents by which they act?"

[delete 101]

"Give him credit, at least he didn't write in broken common, I find it odd how Raevir men somehow write exactly how they speak."

I find it disgraceful how two men of noble birth are unable to read sufficiently. One would expect men of noble birth, such as yourselves, to be educated and cultured...

"On this day, I, a foolish boy under the tutelage of great men, address you on behalf of yourselves, and for the sake of righteousness and truth."

 

Nowhere on this evaluation does he claim to be of peasant origins. If you are the best representatives of this rebellion then I fear the worst for your cause, for you have been beaten by this "foolish boy's" logic. One should now question what that would make these two adolescent nobility...

[Will (TauFirewarrior) 2466]

 

The young scholar taps his dry quill on a blank parchment as the dissident responses come to him.

 

"Hm... I had thought there would be many dissenters, but never did I think none of them would produce a healthy or respectful challenge to my statements, or at least propogate a logical debate. This only confirms my suspicions regarding their ineligibility as statesmen, surely, unless a few come forward with a more tame mentality. How can the Waldenians or Renatians hope to rule independent nations, if they are so quick to enrage and so rash in their response to a challenge of the precedents by which they act?"

 

"Every time I try and debate with an Imperial, it just goes back and fourth, fourth and back. So I've decided to put down the quill and let it come to battle as it seems the masters of deception, the original oath breakers, the in actuality claimless house Carrion will not relent in the battle of words. You defend commoners being granted no trials, you defend ruthless bandits because they helped forge an Empire of blood and suffering, you defend a House that literally means rotting flesh with the symbol of a crow, a bird that scavenges for meat off corpses. The Empire has been rotting to the core ever since Horen V left, its been a shadow of its former self in terms of prestige, morals and values. The Renatians and Waldanians want out because we're sick of being ruled by a House that tries to control every aspect of your life including the architecture of the house you live in."

 

"Finally I'm done with the Carrions claiming Ostromir married a Horen, it has been confirmed several times that Owyn Horen did not have any children, yet alone a daughter. Ostromir simply married a man pretending to be a woman, the children of that marriage were likely bastards. That whole marraige was House Carrions claim to the Imperial throne and to Renatus, when Maric marries a real Horen who is in fact a female you rant on how he has no claim its hypocrisy at its finest. However I myself as his brother in law find that no marraige or blood is what gives him claim, I find that it is those who follow him, his values and morals, not to mention his piety to the Maker that give him his real claim. The Crow in Priests Clothes may be the High Pontiff but he is merely seeking the betterment of House Carrion and does not speak the Makers truth."

 

 

I find it disgraceful how two men of noble birth are unable to read sufficiently. One would expect men of noble birth, such as yourselves, to be educated and cultured...

"On this day, I, a foolish boy under the tutelage of great men, address you on behalf of yourselves, and for the sake of righteousness and truth."

 

Nowhere on this evaluation does he claim to be of peasant origins. If you are the best representatives of this rebellion then I fear the worst for your cause, for you have been beaten by this "foolish boy's" logic. One should now question what that would make these two adolescent nobility...

 

  "I didn't call him a peasant, I complimented him on not writing in broken common infact, as I have seen much propaganda against us written in such."

[susitsu 871]

Lucas Black raises his hand and says "Oh, I got this one." He then goes to writing the rebuttal.

 

((Posted by proxy at the request of anonymous parties.))

Posters are hung up all about the Empire.

 

People of Orenia
On this day, I, a foolish boy under the tutelage of great men, address you on behalf of yourselves, and for the sake of righteousness and truth.
 

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First, I offer you a summary of the events which transpired on the fateful day that this Storm Rebellion began, in shorthand and in order.

- Maric Varodyr and his companion approached Aleksandr Carrion in his Keep in Karovia.
- Maric imparted his wish to, in the future, dissolve the Empire of Oren, and offered Aleksandr the title King of one-third of the Empire. (The other two being Renatus and Aesterwald).
- Aleksandr informed his father of then Ser Maric's intentions towards the Empire.
- Emperor Tuvya called Ser Maric to Petrus, where he and others arrived.
- Ser Maric was stripped of his title of commander of the Red Dragon and his Privy Council position.

 

"You forget to include that he declared Maric in acting of treason, an offense punishable by death and attempted to act on such. I believe it was truly only because he knew killing Maric then and there would not work out that he allowed him to go then. He had no right to act as 'the law' and attempt to enact his personal justice. The Emperor is controlled by the same laws as peasants are."

- Ser Maric and his loyal Knights left with Tuvya's permission.
- Tuvya, upon hearing that Maric had garrison'd Fort Angren, approa

ched the Fort with armed men.

 

"Incorrect. There were no letters sent out, we gathered to discuss what had happened and our confusion. They came with no provocation and weapons drawn."

- Tuvya requested that Maric vacate the castle immidiately, as it is an Imperial holding designated under the peerage, and Maric's right to hold it was stripped along with his titles.

 

"Truly, such is debatable."

- Maric refused, and after some arguing, Ser Ocran utilized the ballista to fire at the bridge, blowing out part of it.

 

"After Tuvya drew dynamite and they intended to blow their way in and murder us all."

- Afterwards, Lucas Black used shamanistic powers to call lightning down on Tuvya's party.
- Tuvya declared Ser Maric a traitor after offering him his last chance to vacate Fort Angren.

 

"That happened far earlier in an unlawful manner, as mentioned."

- Tuvya's party departed.

These are the true and absolute facts, agreed upon by both King Maric and Emperor Tuvya and which can be confirmed by countless eye-witnesses.

 

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However, the series of events listed above are not what proves whom has a righteous hand in the conflict, not to the subjective eye. So instead, we shall observe this objectively, beginning with the rights by which the Storm Lord, King Maric, and his subjects, believe the Kingdom of Renatus should be formed and be independent of the Empire of Oren, and that others should rally to his cause. Rebuttles to each statement, compiled from different constituents of True Orenia loyal to Emperor Tuvya, are listed below each and in bold.
 

- Tuvya is tyrrannical.

 

Tuvya has not once declared war on any besides the Undead and on those whom he views as a traitors. He has been eternally generous to his people and to even Ser Maric himself, prior to the rebellion. Furthermore, the notion of his tyrranny has only surfaced with the recent rebellion and never before that; evidence that the declarations of tyranny are a petty attempt at turning the smallfolk against their benevolent monarch.

 

"Tuvya immediately came, war declared, with weapons and explosives to attack Angren. You speak of benevolent monarchs, but we were told we weren't being attacked or bothered in Angren. All acts after that were self-defense. As well, he personally declared war on Aesterwald."

 

- The Empire is an instrument of oppression and is abused by the Carrion Vochna to subjugate their fellow man and maintain at the forefront of Orenian politics.

The Electorate was formed under the Carrion Vochna. Any Electorate system is inherently dangerous to the ruling House, as removal of them through legal means becomes possible. Therefore, to assume that the Carrions seek to maintain the Empire for the sake of oppressing others can not be true, for it was they who made it possible for themselves to be easily removed.

 

"Then why is it they declared Maric as acting in treason for doing exactly that? This is the exact reason that this happened. Maric wanted to change the regime and remove them. I believe even Tuvya may be willing to admit that."

- The designation of Maric Varodyr as a traitor was for the sake of the elimination of political rivals to the Carrion Vochna, as the Carrions seek to see Aleksandr Carrion ascend to the Imperial Throne, and Maric proclaimed he would not support Aleksandr.

Maric Varodyr held no Electorate votes personally. The only existing Electors at the time of the events were de Savoie, Carrion, and Rovin, with the High Pontiff capable of breaking ties. De Savoie has remained loyal to the Empire since the Storm Lord's rebellion, confirming that they would not support Maric's cause nor answer to him with how they use their vote. Therefore, Ser Maric simply had no legal precedent to be a political opponent to the Carrion Vochna, as he held no direct sway over enough Diet votes.
 

"You say this now, but before the rebellion was forced to begin by Tuvya, things were rather different. His word was being supported, but war was not what they wanted it."

- Tuvya Carrion and his loyal men are Flays, renowned for banditry and the forsaking of peace and law.

Tuvya's allegiance to the Flays is known, but it is the Flays whom were instrumental in the initial expansion of the Empire in the days of Godfrey. Augustus Flay's ascension to the status of Saint is but one example of the Godly necessity of the ruthless and skilled combatants. Tuvya and those whom once served the Flays do not practice banditry, and instead serve as a peacekeeping force in Orenia now, and as a repellent to external threats.

 

"That is like saying a murderer should not be punished for their crimes, but put to doing exactly what they enjoy. Making a sadist kill for your cause is not just. They are not punished. They are rewarded with better arms and the law on their side for being murderers."

- House Carrion claims to strive for the unity of all men, yet supports the secession of the Kingdom of Norland from the Konigreich of Aesterwald.

The Kingdom of Norland does not belong, de jure, to the Empire of Oren; whereas Vanderfell does. Norland's desire to secede was not feuled by Orenia, merely supported by it in an attempt to weaken the Waldenian resolve and strip them of their vassal's levy.
 

"You say this, but as a historian I'm well-aware that Aesterwald was part of the Imperium Tertius which was the Chivay Empire. The third Empire is essentially no more, because its now the Holy Oren Empire, so by their logic Aesterwald was never part of de-jure Holy Oren Empire because it could only be part of de-jure Imperium Tertius."

- Tuvya is heathenous, for he supports the creation of a pagan Kingdom.

Tuvya is not intolerant, nor does he support the idea of racial or religious subjugation or genocide like Orenian rulers of the past. Additionally, it should be noted that the Waldenian King's personal guard was directly comprised of Clan Ovar's soldiery at a time; a pagan group.
 

"It's quite obvious, actually, that his intent is to force the Raevir culture upon all. He has opposed all that sought another culture and to not be apart of Oren due to the unwanted life-style of The Carrions."

Below, several quotes from Renatian propagandists are listed, with rebuttles.

"Now the reason I would rebuke their whole Unity argument would be the fact they granted the Northerners Independence, an act of desperation to win their support but it also means they do not fight for humans to be Unite, they simply fight to try and keep the majority of them under their boot." - Edmund Horen
The Norlanders declared independence after the Waldenians began to aid the Renatians in the field of battle. Tuvya is no warmonger, as shown by his repetative avoidance of war with Aesterwald in the past. He will not simply go to war with those outside of his de jure Empire because they are human and should serve him. He will, however, defeat those who seek to split apart the Empire, for they seek to break apart the Empire and that is a direct threat to the thus far established unity.
 

"As mentioned, he literally did try to go to war with them. The only reason it was stopped was the rise of The Undead."

"We the rebels do not believe human unity is achieved through an Empire, ever since the departure of Horen V any Empire after his own has been on shaky ground. We believe that human unity is agreed through the cultures and peoples of humanity ruling themselves and being in coalition with one another to work for the betterment of the world itself." - Edmund Horen
In the Age of Five Kings, unity was not prominent. In the time before Godfrey, unity was not prominent. Only under an Empire was humanity ever truly united. If the Empire is split, the blood will be fresh on the field from this war, and leave the door open to countless other petty wars between the divided human nations. The rebels could have achieved unity legally, by attempting to legally maneuver themselves to take power and representation, but instead conspired seditiously.
 

"This opposes your own argument. They could not have done so legally because in a display of illegal power hunger, Maric and his followers were declared as traitors and acting in treason when they tried to legally change how the electorate vote was handled."

"The Carrions like to say he broke oaths but Maric is a Knight and his oaths to Chivalry outweigh that of fealty, the Carrions would have him suppress an angry population through force which would directly break his vows to the code of chivalry. Is it better to follow a tyrant for an oath of fealty? Or better to follow a pious code that follows all the best values humanity has to offer." - Edmund Horen
The Knight's Code of Chivalry clearly states that a Knight must valoursly serve his liege. To break this Code is to break his vows of Chivalry. Lord Edmund should study law more closely before fancying himself ready for Bailiff again!
 

 

 

"Was it not Emperor Tuvya, the peoples Emperor, that had only recently stated that the citizens of Oren didn't deserve trial?" - Unknown? (Kalameet)
Actually, they do not. Legally speaking, common men may be convicted without a trial. To say otherwise is simply an attempt to appease the masses and offer societally seditious sentiment. The statesmen under King Meric once again find themselves lacking.
 

"Actually, such was promise to commoners and Edmund Horen was put to his position for this exact reason."

 

In Ser Edward of Ayr's document, he proclaims blatant lies regarding the events of the beginning of the Storm Rebellion, and here he shall be condemned as a despicible traitor to truth and justice; and therefore not quoted, for his word is as worthless as the wind.

 

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Now that the Renatian sentiments and Orenian rebuttles have been listed, perhaps it would be prudent for the reader to examine the statistics regarding the war. Below are estimations of the force, and shall be updated with the changing of allies or forces. If any feel they have been misrepresented, or not included, please inform me and it shall be edited.

Imperial Levy; 4,000
Karovian Levy; 2,000
Orcish Krughai; 2,000
Mercenaries; 2,000
Total; 10,000 (100)
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Renatian Levy; 2,000
Waldenian Levy; 2,000
Total; 4,000 (40)

Now consider Tuvya's expansive wealth. He will be capable of supplying his levies with the absolute best equipment available, and hire as many more mercenaries as he pleases.
 

"This sounds like a threat to me. So, as usual, this is what The Carrion's resort to. You additionally lie about The Warnation."

I believe that is all the information the populace needs to make the decision about whom they should support.

Staring at these statistics, Lucas raises his eyebrow and laughs, calling out "Absolute lies. Orcs declare neutrality for one and you try to say this and for two, you insult The Warnation's power even? Whoever taught you knows how to make up numbers...and not only that...sounds like threats. I'll just be adding right in at the end..."

[ThumperJack 927]

The Infectionist laughs "Humans are such fun! Always bickering, slapping, and stabbing each other! They're so complicated and bound to go extinct someday!"

 

He laughs more and walks off, hugging random people and preforming stress relief treatments.

[Zhulik 3559]

Secession is an inherently treacherous act, no man would dispute this. Therefore, the supplied rebuttle stands.

"Secession from an Empire which previously had rebels take over that Empire in favor of placing a regime of a rebel rule, Boris Carrion. Should the people of Aesterwald, with its yet non-existant vassals, decided to secede they would have been in the right to form their own state without swearing fealty to the people who had just overthrown their liege lord."

 

The Norlanders declared independence after the Waldenians began to aid the Renatians in the field of battle. Tuvya is no warmonger, as shown by his repetative avoidance of war with Aesterwald in the past. He will not simply go to war with those outside of his de jure Empire because they are human and should serve him. He will, however, defeat those who seek to split apart the Empire, for they seek to break apart the Empire and that is a direct threat to the thus far established unity.

 

"The reason military action was permitted within the territory to Norland was simply because in the treaty of the Grand Harvest it detailed a key point stating their intentions alongside the Carrion to invade and take Vanderfell. Furthermore, as previously stated, Secession with the original territory of Vanderfell occurred with Boris Carrion and not that of Tuvya. Tuvya was elected by the vassals of Oren and soon believed it was his duty to reclaim the 'de jure' territory of Vanderfell when no hostilities were preformed, yet Vanderfell's people had no intention of entering an Empire in which rebels themselves had just previously taken over. None of Waldenia's levies had been called into battle besides that of an Invasion by the Carrions and to help destroy the undead's hold within the Dwarven lands.

To continue, the Polaks had admitted to aiding and allying Oren for Land, Power and money. And thus, with their clear intention to support a reclaiming of Vanderfell with Oren with an alliance with that of Tuvya, military action was authorized in order to bleed out any supplies that Oren had given the Polaks. Should they decide to offer an agreement for peace and that of a non-agression pact, I shall end military action. As of now they are seen as threats to the security of Vanderfell rather than rebels and I intend to maintain that sense of security. I do not demand vassals nor do I seek them. It should be noted that the Faolains, despite aiding the Carrion, have not been attacked simply because they showed no intention to harming that of Vanderfell's citizens.

 

But then again most of my arguments are flawed in some way as there is always some method of disenfranchising my word. However I have entered this conflict to allow the freedom of my Vassals, to which they had been demanding for many moons and thusly proceeded to back stab me. Without showing any intention from the vassals to not aid the Rebels, I have continued with my actions. I continue my aid for I have given my word to the Heartlanders, and now I simply have nothing to lose do I? I am not blinded by greed, nor am I blinded by the quest for land. I will shoot straight and not stray from the course that I have aimed upon, be it death or victory."