Let's Talk: This Leak

[Cyndikate 2303]

Give Sky the benefit of te doubt and assume he didn't read the entire chat. I must have read through half of that and didn't understand it because there was useless clutter in between. a

[Lima 774]

 

I see three gms in this chat how many more support this kinda thinking? How many gms ***** and slander and talk **** in gm chat about Oren in gm chat that leads to ooc intervention to prevent rp? If you say its not happening il tell you to your face your a liar, you know why because I have been there ive seen it, its disgustingly toxic. 

 

 

I don't think their race should be conquered and a barrier should be established.

 

How about that mog?

 

You can say Oren had established RP reason to go to war with Haelun'or over the death of their king, till you realise that their king died trying to forcefully take them over demanding vassalge.

 

If the barrier shields against that, then your point would be moot. Whats your opinion on that?

 

[And why so hostile?]

[Avacyn 1712]

wowza okay

i'm going to point out first that i might not be the best person to comment on this since i guess im the lord of ooc shilling (i regret renatus)

but while i'm here, i will say that like everyone does ooc plotting like this, its not uncommon and frankly this does just seem like an attempt at shitstirring

on the other hand, just because everyone does it, it doesnt make it right. it's just kinda stupid that people buckle down and resort to these kind of tactics when things don't go the way they want them.

though i must say its kinda funny that connor is the high elf leader that initially propagated pro-oren sentiments, pretended to stick to savoie like glue, pushed away der elfen and prioritized humanity as a friend over them, and then decided to make like a banana and split when it stopped being advantageous to the non-militaristic high elf conglomerate that is haelun'or (i mean seriously literally 0 military), and now they want to make nice and do the opposite. shouldnt have burnt those bridges methinks!

[Sultan 3953]

I don't think their race should be conquered and a barrier should be established.

 

How about that mog?

 

You can say Oren had established RP reason to go to war with Haelun'or over the death of their king, till you realise that their king died trying to forcefully take them over demanding vassalge.

 

If the barrier shields against that, then your point would be moot. Whats your opinion on that?

 

I think you always are against war so it does not matter Lima lol. But what you think might not be what is best or what is right.

 

I myself have been always against barriers of any kind.

 

But would you then accept barriers when humans want it?

 

Humans were vessels of the Dwarven Kingdom once I recall, we did not use ooc barriers or gm intervention to get out of it did we?

Humans had civil-wars and nations like the Dwarfs interfered in them we did not go crying to gms/admins to put ooc barriers to not allow Dwarfs to interfere did we?

 

I just see this as laziness and whining from people, handle it without ooc barriers Humans have done it alot why cant you? 

 

Going to Admins to get you out of something is the whimp way especially if you are at fault for being in that place in the first place ((Conner)) is the one that caused this and his trying to get out of it useing Admins were is your rp conner that you love?

[Sky 0]

Granted I didn't read it all, currently on antibiotics but my main point was the whole dragging another through the mud. I am unsure of the point of the leak, why was it leaked? Why wasn't it sent directly to a private message with the administration?

[CosmicWhaleShark 2488]

RP is in many ways about trust. You trust that the other person is just going to give you as best of an experience as they can give. Whether that's a light conversation, a fight, whether you're spying on someone and considerate enough to make emotes of your presence and they're considerate enough to not sniff you out immediately due to a 6th sense, etc.
 

When there's OOC planning and plotting and whatever else, that's all out the window. There is literally no point to RPing if you've already agreed to something out of character. You're just putting your character through the motions IC, if you even bother RPing it out after making an agreement OOCly. The entire point of LotC is moot if everything is solved in a Skype chat.

 

My most interesting characters have been a product of pure RP. Areon Baldwin met Brunhylde and decided to be a cleric instead of a mage to try and study how to remove her curse. He was seeking out Elindor to be an actual mage beforehand at the recommendation of Adeon. Went to Braxis and Blundermore instead. The rest is pretty much history and his death organically ended in his home when nearly the entire White Rose order showed up to kill him. That's awesome, I made it a perma because of how awesome it was.

 

Avery became a bard, a diplomat, a prince, got the high princess to be released from a torture chamber as a prisoner of war with just his words within the White Rose keep, swords pointed at him, crossbows aimed, a tough crowd to appeal to if I'd say so myself. He spoke with emperors and used land as a bargaining chip to try and sway the wrath of Oren for at least a brief time. He ultimately failed, but that's RP. He later became a lich, one of if not the only one I believe who didn't know magic, against his will.

 

Want to know my plans for Phaedrus? Blacksmith. That's it, just a blacksmith. Now RP has lead to him being the first non-Orcish farseer in the history of the server. That was RP that can be traced back several months ago.

 

If you just... Let RP happen, it can lead to awesome avenues that you might have otherwise never considered. I've tried to be a Druid on three different characters and it's never panned out. Oh well, that's RP.

 

So many characters are written with backstories of hardship. Whether they were a slave, or a hardened warrior, or a silver tongued merchant that takes no one's bullshit. So, why then, when the going gets tough do people shut down and cry OOC stuff?

 

Let's be clear, just in case this is brought up, my issue with the high elves was their enormous use of OOC. Not the actual RP. They forced Laureh'lin to banish Phaedrus, the nation he literally created, that's delightfully ironic and the RP lead to becoming a farseer. No issue with the actual RP.

 

Oren is offering some really interesting stuff. I've been in the throne room on Phaedrus, I've spoken to the soldiers, spoken to the king, I've been everywhere basically. I've seen some Dwarves on the Dunamis side be a little iffy as well with RP during their raids so I'm not going to really say either side is doing too fantastic OOCly. Let's not forget either about the snowball incident, Lima. Oren's kind of a victim in a few ways because of the terrible RP partner Dwarves have been as a collective. 

 

Guys, it's RP, I know it can be scary at times, I know it can be difficult. But if you just jump that initial hump you can really go to some super interesting places by just... Going with the flow.

 

Also get out of those bloody Skype group chats, they are so counter-productive to the entire point of being on LotC.

 

 

 

Granted I didn't read it all, currently on antibiotics but my main point was the whole dragging another through the mud. I am unsure of the point of the leak, why was it leaked? Why wasn't it sent directly to a private message with the administration?

 

Because the admins I've tried addressing this with in the past never did anything. That's how it goes. Now everyone knows and there's no excuses.

[Cyndikate 2303]

Granted I didn't read it all, currently on antibiotics but my main point was the whole dragging another through the mud. I am unsure of the point of the leak, why was it leaked? Why wasn't it sent directly to a private message with the administration?

Attempted abuse of power and using GM powers to get in the way of Dynamic RP, especially against a nation that wants to have dynamic rp and won't stand for staff intervention.

[Z3r05t4r 855]

Quite so.

 

As for Cosmic, if I could, I would pin this, you brought it quite well on the point.

[Sky 0]

In the future, please send it in a private message to all the administration, I cannot speak for the other admins but I can give you my word that I will personally respond and get you an answer. I would rather that than having the need to drag another player, or staff, through the mud. Wow, how many times can I say mud...

[Z3r05t4r 855]

In the future, please send it in a private message to all the administration, I cannot speak for the other admins but I can give you my word that I will personally respond and get you an answer. I would rather that than having the need to drag another player, or staff, through the mud. Wow, how many times can I say mud...

 

I believe it was less so done for mudding, moreso for public knowledge and opinion.

[Lima 774]

Let's not forget either about the snowball incident, Lima. Oren's kind of a victim in a few ways because of the terrible RP partner Dwarves have been as a collective. 

 

Your correct. Dwarves got tired of the war when peace was offered repeatedly under terms of the entire north and a kingdom name change, and our bank sacrificed.

 

Yet they got in response "we are only doing this to make a easy casus beli." OOC, and then Hobo was DDOSed for a week.

 

This war has nothing left to offer in dynamic RP, at all. Peace was offered and denied because Oren must maintain a war to maintain its self, otherwise they will infight. Their leadership knows it, we know it, everyone knows it. Lets at least stop kidding ourselves.

 

Lets not forget that the war that lead to the fall of the empire saw aggression against the dwarves first by the Kingdom of Oren. The only dwarf who thought with Renatus and Aesterwald was me alone. 

[Cyndikate 2303]

In the future, please send it in a private message to all the administration, I cannot speak for the other admins but I can give you my word that I will personally respond and get you an answer. I would rather that than having the need to drag another player, or staff, through the mud. Wow, how many times can I say mud...

I'll take the risk and be blunt because this has occurred for the three years I've known LOTC.

How about actually acting on the private reports sent to you? The only time staff ever does take action is when someone starts OOC drama. Maybe that's why people take it up publicly.

[Coaster 2086]

I don't think their race should be conquered and a barrier should be established.

 

How about that mog?

 

You can say Oren had established RP reason to go to war with Haelun'or over the death of their king, till you realise that their king died trying to forcefully take them over demanding vassalge.

 

If the barrier shields against that, then your point would be moot. Whats your opinion on that?

 

[And why so hostile?]

Just a note: Andrik was trying to enforce a treaty between HE and WE btw (in particular the high elves dropping the term that recquired unpure elves or whtever to leave cerulin) :)) not partaking in this convo just a note

[mylimo7 409]

Your correct. Dwarves got tired of the war when peace was offered repeatedly under terms of the entire north and a kingdom name change, and our bank sacrificed.

Yet they got in response "we are only doing this to make a easy casus beli." OOC, and then Hobo was DDOSed for a week.

This war has nothing left to offer in dynamic RP, at all. Peace was offered and denied because Oren must maintain a war to maintain its self, otherwise they will in fight.

Lets not forget that the war that lead to the fall of the empire saw aggression against the dwarves first by the Kingdom of Oren. The only dwarf who thought with Renatus and Aesterwald was me alone.

To be honest, the absolute distruction of Germany from 1918 to the 1930's after The Great War led to a World War II that killed 60 million people. I mean how much more dynamic can you get? you can muster 10k in a week anyways from everyone voting too. You already lost everything in the North too, it's time to just give up to their demands. You said it yourself that Oren will dwindle of no war is going on.

[Lima 774]

Just a note: Andrik was trying to enforce a treaty between HE and WE btw 

 

Which in turn demanded they reliquish their sovereignty. 

 

@Throdo

 

We did. They said "Give us the stuff we are warclaiming anyways."

 

I don't think you understand. They know they need to maintain a war.