Let's Talk: This Leak

[Reckless Banzai Screamer 15456]

 

This is beyond shady

 

 

You call?

[mitto 2312]

 

-snip-

No like, I completely agree. I'm just saying that not everyone enjoys realism RP or standard human RP so to an extent it should be preserved and the only effective way is through OOC means.

 

But this is indeed:

[Cyndikate 2303]

quick question:

Why do people think oren in charge = everyone else has to be dead?

Because Oren is powerful enough to attack and seige whoever they please whenever they feel like doing it.

[DrakeHaze. 2524]

Because Oren is powerful enough to attack and seige whoever they please whenever they feel like doing it.

Until everyone learns to band together and use RP to their advantage instead of relying on pvping Oren to win???????

[501warhead 1796]

Politics is almost always rooted somehow in Out of Character;

 

Am I going to give up Alras ICly if I don't want to OOCly? My character will never be convinced ICly to do such a thing because OOCly I don't agree with it.

 

OOC, like it or not, influences RP. It always has and always will. The ideal is that it won't do it as much... but being frank I doubt that the elves will be able to be united in any manner unless all parties agree to it OOCly.

 

Like the method or not it has merit to it.

[Publius 4098]

Politics is almost always rooted somehow in Out of Character;

 

Am I going to give up Alras ICly if I don't want to OOCly? My character will never be convinced ICly to do such a thing because OOCly I don't agree with it.

 

OOC, like it or not, influences RP. It always has an always will. The ideal is that it won't do it as much... but being frank I doubt that the elves will be able to be united in any manner unless all parties agree to it OOCly.

 

Like the method or not it has merit to it.

 

My problem comes in the fact they wish to use their influence as staff to gain power in character.

 

That's an OOC method that should NEVER be abused, and no GM can talk about having power given to his preferred race through staff sanctioned actions without obviously being biased against the RP done to create the situation in the first place. They're the only people that would benefit from the staff intervening on the Elves behalf, so of course they will vy for it. Also, what happened to peoples certainty in humanity fracturing? I just see a lot of bs all over.

 

My problem doesn't come in the fact that they had something to discuss OOC, but in what they discussed.

 

(I'm gonna stop replying for now.)

[Dohvi 622]

Already knowing what some of these people say when they're in the opposite position, I personally find this hilarious. Beyond the hypocrisy, elven unity is a joke. You can't go 3 months without someone trying to provoke someone else (we all know who's usually responsible for that). Under the current setup, the single biggest difference to elven RP is that it's not accompanied by OOC ****-slinging.

[Kalehart 1096]

 

I mean if I was a leader of a race that had been absorbed by Oren, I'd plot oocly too. Not that I should... But I probably would.

 

Not because Oren is bad, but because Orenian / Human RP is very different from other RP on the server. In my eyes, there should have been OOC intervention to stop the takeover of the elves in the first place- it kills diversity of RP, and is beneficial to rather few. Sure, it's organic, but I don't think that RP "integrity" should come before the interests of the community and server from an OOC perspective.

 

This said, the thing has been done. Nobody stopped it, so the results have to be lived with. My problem with this leak is with the secrecy, not the act itself. If staff think that Elves should be independent, it needs to be discussed openly and dealt with as is needed. If that means breaking RP and forcing a split OOCly, that is what the staff have the right to do. If not, then we could just continue as normal.

 

Communication, folks.

 

Remember, RP is not some sort of unbreakable barrier- we do it for OOC fun, so why should it be so entirely separate from OOC influence? Whatever makes it more fun for the most people is what should be done, period.

[Hiebe 2493]

Im pretty sure the elves agreed to be under Oren so they didn't get pvped into oblivion like the dwarves are getting.

[meg 1994]

 

[4/1/2015 3:28:04 PM] Mothman the Mithradites Squiggles McGee: Anyway, like I said before. The goal of this chat is to be friendly again with one-another OOC (since we fucked up and got us all under the boot because Connor's a dummy who wanted to create a power-block and the only way he knew how was through armed conflict and we didn't do anything to stop him because his character was the one friendly with the hoomans and if we got rid of him and Silir we would have been boned and would get eaten by dwarves and orcs) and to help one-another stay alive in RP in the coming days.

 

I mean I haven't spent the time to read the whole thing, but this really doesn't seem like much of an issue. If they want to get to know each other oocly to encourage fixing relationships ic, more power to them I guess?

[Lima 774]

quick question:

Why do people think oren in charge = everyone else has to be dead?

 

Why does Oren need to be in charge?

 

The reality is that with Oren being in charge and a norm is established where Oren is able to dictate every action on the server then they will kill any group that even moves to oppose them in any manner through PVP and OOC.

 

When Hobo went to peace talks and didn't give Oren the answer they wanted he was downed for a week. There is no joke there ,its DDOS for nation politics. Under those terms or the sheer fact that cyber crime in now a option for winning the game means that if I was in the same situation I would refuse to budge until it stopped. The server is not mature enough for this conflict.

 

Oren's RP motivations are flimsy at best, when a decade passes RPly between fighting but they resume a warclaim just because it was to boost activity for their new king and they say at peace talks 'Hand over the treasury, but we will warclaim anyways, we just want a easier Casus Beli.' Its war for the sake of them wanting to feel powerful.

 

So I have a question for you Coaster, why should Oren be allowed to take charge given the means they have used to achieve it? What does this ''I win at RP'' attitude contribute to the server?

[Reckless Banzai Screamer 15456]

I mean if I was a leader of a race that had been absorbed by Oren, I'd plot oocly too.

 

Not because Oren is bad, but because Orenian / Human RP is very different from other RP on the server. In my eyes, there should have been OOC intervention to stop the takeover of the elves in the first place- it kills diversity of RP, and is beneficial to rather few. Sure, it's organic, but I don't think that RP "integrity" should come before the interests of the community and server from an OOC perspective.

 

This said, the thing has been done. Nobody stopped it, so the results have to be lived with.

 

Aside from all this, can we please stop taking this all so seriously? Its all for fun, after all.

 

I must admit I was on hiatus when Oren absorbed the main elf cities into their sphere of influence. But didn't Cerulin (sc) go under Oren willingly? Based upon what I skimmed off the leak, Cerulin chose Oren over High Elf rule. 

 

I could be wrong. I don't pay too much attention to what's been happening. But from a neutral seat who doesn't particularly care, I think for the most part the takeover was pretty much bloodless and done willingly.

 

As for this whole OOC thing, OOC is done by everyone. I was heavily into it when I first got to this server because the last role play community I came from was HEAVILY stuck in OOC. About ten months ago I spoke with someone about it though. This person's a vet role player here. And they talked about how back in the day people actually tried to handle things ICly. They went out of their way to meet ICly, etc. It had me think a lot and I became very resolute to try and do everything within role play unless it was mundane writing or organization.

 

With that said, I don't particularly bother those who would rather handle things OOC. Albeit should they wish to associate with me in some way I ask them to do so in role play first. OOC on this server is kind of like Sex in America. People do it. But for most part, we don't talk about it. (No one wants to admit they like furry handcuffs). But when something controversial comes up we all go up in arms about it and swear we're saints.

 

I don't like some of the stuff said in those logs. But I've seen worse. My two cents is everyone tries to make the effort to keep as much possible within role play - or bring OOC issues to light for discussion.

[CosmicWhaleShark 2488]

-snip-

 

 

This would be applicable if it was an isolated incident, this has been going on for months now, almost a year - dealing with high elves OOCly. Being pulled into Skype calls to clarify RP what was happening, being told to do certain things in the chat while we were asking them to log in and RP, being told our RP was illegitimate and accused of OOCly plotting against them because, well, they weren't there to actually see the RP take place because they weren't in game. It's not just because of Oren.

 

 

 

I mean I haven't spent the time to read the whole thing, but this really doesn't seem like much of an issue. If they want to get to know each other oocly to encourage fixing relationships ic, more power to them I guess?

 

 

[4/1/2015 5:00:20 PM] Connor: The point is.

[4/1/2015 5:00:23 PM] Connor: You have to do it Leo.

[4/1/2015 5:00:26 PM] Connor: And we have to learn to get along.

[4/1/2015 5:00:32 PM] Connor: or all elves are fucked forever and permenantly.

[4/1/2015 5:00:46 PM] Leo.gif: Well I'm not pulling a coup

[4/1/2015 5:00:52 PM] Connor: Why?

[4/1/2015 5:01:02 PM] Leo.gif: Because that would get me fucked over

[4/1/2015 5:01:15 PM] Leo.gif: But don't worry I have a better plan

[4/1/2015 5:01:22 PM] Connor: Which is?

[4/1/2015 5:01:30 PM] Connor: To be clear, Oren isn't going to like us.

[4/1/2015 5:01:35 PM] Connor: We're just going to toss them out all at once.

[4/1/2015 5:01:38 PM] Leo.gif: Make the elves of cerulin love me more than tristin

[4/1/2015 5:01:53 PM] Leo.gif: Tristin as is doesn't do much to know his people on a personal level

[4/1/2015 5:02:05 PM] Connor: He is liked

[4/1/2015 5:02:13 PM] Connor: But... I helped him a lot ;.;

[4/1/2015 5:02:17 PM] Leo.gif: I'll just do my culture thing and start preaching wood elf ways

[4/1/2015 5:02:22 PM] Connor: Every forum post he ever made, every timing of his political moves...

[4/1/2015 5:02:22 PM] Boidwhisperah: I like him

[4/1/2015 5:02:25 PM] Connor: I told him to do it all...

[4/1/2015 5:02:33 PM] Leo.gif: I don't care for trying to remove tristin

[4/1/2015 5:02:34 PM] Connor: All of it...

[4/1/2015 5:02:41 PM] Connor: On 4/1/15, at 8:02 PM, Leo.gif wrote:

> I don't care for trying to remove tristin

You have to.

[4/1/2015 5:02:43 PM] Boidwhisperah: And now you want to remove him.

[4/1/2015 5:02:45 PM] Connor: He will kill you.

[4/1/2015 5:02:48 PM] Connor: If you start getting popular.

[4/1/2015 5:02:50 PM] Boidwhisperah: Yeah but why?

[4/1/2015 5:02:52 PM] Connor: You have to RIP the bandaid off.

[4/1/2015 5:02:53 PM] Connor: Just kill him.

[4/1/2015 5:02:56 PM] Boidwhisperah: Would he start getting popular?

[4/1/2015 5:02:57 PM] Connor: Don't hesitate.

[4/1/2015 5:02:57 PM] Leo.gif: I'm already popular

[4/1/2015 5:03:02 PM] Connor: Exactly.

[4/1/2015 5:03:04 PM] Connor: So don't wait.

 

 

May want to read just a bit further down, lots of good stuff here.

[WuHanXianShi14 0]

I mean I haven't spent the time to read the whole thing, but this really doesn't seem like much of an issue. If they want to get to know each other oocly to encourage fixing relationships ic, more power to them I guess?

While certain individuals in that chat were in there for the sake of bettering relations, the chat itself was created to facilitate a plot born in OOC to oust Orenian influence from Elven lands by using largely OOC means.

 

In all fairness, I did my fair share of OOC bartering in that chat. But in my defense, I did ultimately stick to what my character would do ICly, in the end.

[Knox213 10]

 

 

Maybe his internet legit just went down for a week, it happens. 

 

Claiming Oren to be a "DDoS" nation due to the fact you guys keep getting dogged is no excuse to whine. Matter to the fact is the staff on the server are trying to use OOC means in order to accomplish something RPly, they should be setting an example not pulling **** like this lol.