Lgbt. Gay Marriage.

[onm224 57]

If gay people want to get married to be happy with their lives, go for it. 

 

In terms of the trans stuff, I don't really look into the ins and outs of it because im not interested in the topic. But I do think, with my current limited knowledge on the topic, that its an 'unnatural' glitch. But im not gonna go wantonly being a ***** to people just because of something they can't control, they're still people after all. I don't think it's the normal state of things though

[zaezae 1098]

My opinion remains the same as it has always been. Marriage is a religious institution, so the government shouldn't be issuing them. Everyone should get civil unions, and figure out marriage on their own time. You can have a same sex ceremony and call it marriage, who cares.

[Birdnerdy 1539]

I personally don't care that much. 

 

I do however have one thing to say on it. And it's about society in general. In current society, we are taught that it's all ok. Even schools nowadays encourage it all in their own way. And that's fine with me. Whatever really. What I'm about to say is just things I've noticed from some of my religious friends. Don't go all up in arms over religion just yet!

 

It's a pet peeve of most non-religious people when there are religious people who try to force their beliefs down on you. It is seen as a negative behavior since none of us want to be told what to do. None of us want to be forced into anything. With that being said, tables have kinda turned in that regard. Those who are religious and who have been brought up in a religious family are being forced to accept the LGBT culture in some way or another. I mean, sure, they don't have to accept it. But could you imagine if that one religious person spoke out against LGBT  over say, Facebook? I'd cause their social life to go to hell because they, in their minds, aren't allowed to see LGBT as a good thing.

 

Just food for thought. Again, I personally don't mind. Whatever floats your boat imo. But yeah, only issue is how hard society judges you upon your opinion on this subject.

I can see what you're saying here, but imo, the fact that our society is making an effort to ostracize homophobia in the same way we've made an effort to ostracize racism (not saying that we've succeeded yet) is progression.

 

We've accepted as a larger body that LGBT culture is perfectly normal, and not something to be stifled. I mean, I can't think of a solid reason to oppose it in the first place, save religious teaching.

 

Many religious communities have accepted that the LGBT phenomenon is perfectly natural. It's a shrinking minority that openly opposes the LGBT, and it will continue to shrink as people are rightly criticized for harrowing gays for something out of their control, until it is virtually nonexistent.

 

 Most religious communities will eventually conform, and move on. Those who continue to hold those views will eventually learn that it's wiser to keep their opinions on the matter to themselves, and society will be better for it. 

 

However, criticism and hate speech are two different things. If somebody is criticized about their views on the LGBT movement, that's one thing. If somebody is insulted or harassed with homophobia as a cassus belli, that's something else, 

[zaezae 1098]

I can see what you're saying here, but imo, the fact that our society is making an effort to ostracize homophobia in the same way we've made an effort to ostracize racism (not saying that we've succeeded yet) is progression. We've accepted as a larger body that LGBT culture is perfectly normal, and not something to be stifled. I mean, I can't think of a solid reason to oppose it in the first place, save religious teaching. Many religious communities have accepted that the LGBT phenomenon is perfectly natural. It's a shrinking minority that openly opposes the LGBT, and it will continue to shrink as people are rightly criticized for harrowing gays for something out of their control, until it is virtually nonexistent.  Most religious communities will eventually conform, and move on. Those who continue to hold those views will eventually learn that it's wiser to keep their opinions on the matter to themselves, and society will be better for it. 

I grow tired of the "Call people names until they shut up" form of liberal progression. Don't you?

[Space 2335]

spoiled the h8 speech

INB4 I'm lynched for this,  I look down upon Trans since it's defying nature. Sexuality is something I believe is natural and you can't change that, but the psychological pressure you have to put yourself through to change genders is absurd. Most of the time it leads to self-mutiliations and making themselves infertile, which is a big no-no in my book. I think there is something wrong with you if you make the decision to change gender, or believe you are the other gender even if you have the respective genitalia.

((I am happy about the marriage movement in relation to homosexuals and lesbians. Just not trans.)) 

 

I don't think most people would disagree that there is something wrong with you; You are wanting to do something that destroys your life and puts you through pain and ****. But it's not a matter of if something is wrong with you, it's a matter of what makes you happy, and what is 'right' for you. I think getting gender changing surgery is better than offing yourself, right?

 

 

My opinion remains the same as it has always been. Marriage is a religious institution, so the government shouldn't be issuing them. Everyone should get civil unions, and figure out marriage on their own time. You can have a same sex ceremony and call it marriage, who cares.

 

Marriage isn't the same as a civil union.

 

https://www.glad.org/uploads/docs/publications/cu-vs-marriage.pdf

[Sky 0]

This ***** told me same sex marriage is now legal.

 

I said ***** where?

 

She said in the United States.

 

I said. ***** where.

[zaezae 1098]

Space, that was a useless distinction since I do not want marriage to be issued by any government body.

[Birdnerdy 1539]

I grow tired of the "Call people names until they shut up" form of liberal progression. Don't you?

Made an edit, forgot to address that. 

[Sky 0]

 

[Space 2335]

Space, that was a useless distinction since I do not want marriage to be issued by any government body.

 

The classic 'if we can't have it our way, nobody should have it?' jk :P

 

But, if civil unions were granted the same legal rights as marriage, and marriage was abolished from the government you'd be good with it? I'd be pretty ok with it too, I guess.

 

But, marriage is also a cultural thing, not just a religious thing. It's now a form of showing your love and commitment to someone else, so I don't see any reason why anyone should be disallowed to do that.

[Sky 0]

 

YASSSS

Now I can get married in all 50 states now. Yippee!

 

And the trans community gets **** on way too much. They deserve to be who they are just as much as anyone else. Shame on you if you think otherwise.

 

 

Weewooweewoo someone call the hypocrite police! 

 

People are allowed their opinions, you're allowed your opinion on their opinion but if someone says "Shame on you for being trans." and you in reaction say "Shame on you for thinking they should feel shame." then you literally just did, what made you irritated by them.

Easiest respons; "Okay, that's your opinion and this is mine." then end of story.

 

But seriously, gays should be barred from getting married cause they deserve happiness, not misery. 

[hellfiazz 879]

@birdnerdy

I fail to see how a rather socially imperialist view is any more tolerant than someone who would have held the same view about gays a few decades ago.

"They will accept what is right or they will shut their mouths for fear of others coming down on them."

I personally don't want to live somewhere where that view is held and enforced en masse towards anyone.

I also question the fact that LGBT culture even exists. It does nothing but cause self-exclusion and instils pride in a trait that is completely out of their conscious control and is really not important. I have as much reason to be proud of being bisexual as I do for being white, or blonde, or blue-eyed, or male, and have even less reason to let being bisexual affect my life than any of those things.

[leave me alone 995]

 

YASSSS

Now I can get married in all 50 states now. Yippee!

 

And the trans community gets **** on way too much. They deserve to be who they are just as much as anyone else. Shame on you if you think otherwise.

 

Hello yes the right wing community also gets **** on way too much. Everyone calls us neo-nazi scum bags when in reality we're alright people who just have conservative values

[mmat 7460]

But seriously, gays should be barred from getting married cause they deserve happiness, not misery. 

 

"If gays wanna get married and be miserable like the rest of us, I say we let 'em." - Peter Griffin.

[Samson Option 9652]

I grow tired of the "Call people names until they shut up" form of liberal progression. Don't you?

 

I would share a coffee and a conversation with you any time.

 

My response to this is manifold:

#1: Constitutionally -

Marriage has been a social, cultural, and a religious concept for eras. The government need not issue marriage licenses, but I do have a rather credible understanding why. This came about with the income tax instated in the early 1900s, there was implemented eventually the concept of a tax credit for married couples filing their taxes. This tax credit is a reprieve for heterosexual couples, the government had to operate under the impression that heterosexual intercourse could possibly lead to children in the family. The Gay Marriage movement wanted the legal rights of a marriage. One could argue, homosexual intercourse can not lead to children, but alas there is always adoption, etc. Ultimately, the income tax is arguably unconstitutional as is.

 

TLDR: Learn to read and constitutionally, government is not here to allow and bar marriages but to enforce contracts - hence the courts are open to divorce proceedings, etc.

 

#2: Religiously -

 

This will get thorny, I haven't studied too far in depth on Christian doctrine in regards to homosexuality. I know the Old Testament forbids it rather explicitly, but do Christians consider the New Testament an abrogation and if so - the old Testament ban is null.

 

#3: The Prospect of Slippery Slope -

 

One has to consider whether the slippery slope is actually a logical fallacy considering a: logical fallicies are man-made and b: Slippery Slope is one of the most conceivable to not be fallacious.

 

#4: Transgender -

 

To change the name of something doesn't change the reality of it. Fat Positive is still fat, possibly obese which is damaging the body. I'll link George Carlin below to hammer this point home. I've read very little science mainly because Huffington Post and f*cking Mic.com do a sh*t job at presenting authentic scientists and just either blurb little studies or more often than not pander on with liberal idealistic speak. If your testosterone is too low and you've got male genitalia, then you are a tom-girl or a soft guy. Ill still respect you, I've worked with such males before. If you are a woman and got that testosterone spike and  can pack a punch, you are a tomboy or just a f*cking tough woman. My mother has knocked the sh*t out of men before- doesn't mean she is transkin otherkin. She is just a tough as nails woman. The transgender movement isn't impressing me and is actually doing disservice to other groups at the luxury that a bunch of English, Gender Studies, and Journalism majors can have jobs and drink Starbucks Lattes and feel intellectually suave. F*ck that.

 

George Carlin:

 

 

PS: I am a rather empathetic creature and I can and do behave kind to everyone I encounter - but I am not a fan of evading hard truths.