[ooc] Dwarven Lore: Brathmordakin Poll

[James 425]

Hello, today I bring forth a poll. This poll should be voted on those who are active in the Dwarven community, I would ask that you please refrain from voting if you are not a Dwarf. You are free to post your opinion, however let me get to the summary of this topic. I wish to write lore submissions for the members of the Brathmordakin. This would make every Brathmordakin deity an Aengul/Daemonic entity excluding Yemekar, the "creator". Considering the fact an Aengul already exists within the Religion, it would make a lot of sense to get approved lore for the rest of the religion.  I'd be posting these as lore submissions, to allow the LMs to vote upon whether they are accepted or not. Now, I will give you my reasons for wanting this in the first place: Elven Aspects are all Aengul/Daemonic entities, and they get alot of events and RP because of it, Wyvrun is an Aengul, and is an important Brathmordakin figure as well as Ograhad was already in the works to be accepted as the creator of Runesmithing in the original lore. 

 

You have until 2/20/2016 to vote.

 

Ograhad will still have his submission as planned for runesmithing. 

[1 1393]

I'm sorry James, but I would prefer for it to not be. It's nice to have a religion that is not forced to have an OOC side backing it up. The thing I would want, if any would be IC brathmordakin's be assigned to deities through RP.

[James 425]

Just now, ShameJax said:

I'm sorry James, but I would prefer for it to not be. It's nice to have a religion that is not forced to have an OOC side backing it up. The thing I would want, if any would be IC brathmordakin's be assigned to deities through RP.

That's fine, that's why I'm gathering the playerbases opinion before posting the lore submissions. My entire goal is create RP for the playerbase and make the server more enjoyable. If the community would rather not have it, it'd be better not to. I just think it would be very beneficial to Dwarven RP. 

[Aengoth 2890]

I would rather the faith remain purely as a faith. I don't want to see the Brathmordakin end up like Taharie. If anything I would point to Wyrvun as an example of why we wouldn't want our Brathmordakin turned into actual aenguldaemons. Wyrvun (not as Ondranch) was mostly just a disappointment due to how lackluster he has been for the dwarven faith and how uninspired his impact (if it could be called that) has been.

I don't think the relics we might attain from Dungrimm or Grimdugan could not come from another source and I don't think the dwarven playerbase as a whole would benefit from being involved in the nonsensical game of daemons and aenguls played by other groups.

[Kardel 1054]

A lot of Brathmordakin are simply renamed Aenguls. Anbella can be compared to Aeriel and Khorvad to Iblees. As for the rest of them, they do not necessarily need to be real. The divines of most other religions are not.

 

Dwarves have an almost blind belief in their Brathmordakin. It does not matter if they are real or not, as they cannot directly interfere in Dwarven RP anyways. If a storyline necessitates a Brathmordakin's appearance, the Brathmordakin in question can be attributed to an already existing Aengul or Daemon. The definitive existence of the Brathmordakin will not correlate to better and richer Dwarven culture and RP. 

 

IMO, let them stay ambiguous. Confining the religion to existence or nonexistence ruins speculative RP. 

[James 425]

1 minute ago, Kardel said:

A lot of Brathmordakin are simply renamed Aenguls. Anbella can be compared to Aeriel and Khorvad to Iblees. As for the rest of them, they do not necessarily need to be real. The divines of most other religions are not.

 

Dwarves have an almost blind belief in their Brathmordakin. It does not matter if they are real or not, as they cannot directly interfere in Dwarven RP anyways. If a storyline necessitates a Brathmordakin's appearance, the Brathmordakin in question can be attributed to an already existing Aengul or Daemon. The definitive existence of the Brathmordakin will not correlate to better and richer Dwarven culture and RP. 

 

IMO, let them stay ambiguous. Confining the religion to existence or nonexistence ruins speculative RP. 

I see both your and Aengoth points, as well as my own. This is why I brought it to the Dwarven community to decide. If the poll stays undecided, I'll still most likely do a submission for Ograhad/Runesmithing and leave it that. If it leans towards yes, I will probably do a submission for all of them. 

[WuHanXianShi14 0]

Anbella > Nemiisae at least

[ThumperJack 927]

Just refer to what Jax, Kardel, and Aengoth have said. I can see a lot of bad things happening should the Brathmordakin become Aenguls/Daemons, one of which would be us losing another piece of our unique lore. The Brathmordakin are purely a dwarf religon, if they became Aenguls and Daemons we would be losing a unique quality to our rp.

[Skippy 2466]

The way I see it is, if they are actual entities instead of make believe gods, then RP events can come from it. With some of the gods not existing lore wise, the furthest I can see events going is recycled stuff like reclaiming an artifact. 

[KarmaDelta 969]

No, keep it the same.

We can always have events relating to them if people know how to make them fun and interesting. There can always be lore for other forms of gods on this server other than those silly Aengu/Daemons or whatever.

 

I want to be special as a Dwarf.

[Cpt_Noobman 1954]

I agree with what Ziko said, now that I think about it. Leave it ambiguous, let people decide in rp what they believe. If there's an idea for an event, we can do whatever without actually saying "this is how it is" it can just go along without a real explanation, leave some mystery to it if you know what I mean.

[AGP 3169]

The best religions on LotC (Brathmordakin and the various human religions are good examples!!) are those that rely on /faith/ and not on /materialism./ Treating the gods as a physical entity that you talk to and make physical/magical pacts with on a regular basis cheapens the point of religion Rp and makes it more like a quasi nexus profession. You interact with /them/ to get shiny artifacts and special powers (from the Gms really), but you don't interact with other people about them. When was the last time you saw a Cleric preaching their faith? Plus, I've found that staff members in general do not do a good job of Rping and properly portraying Gods (I mean, can anyone really?), which makes it really difficult to worship them if they ever interact with you. I would prefer for the Brathmordakin to not exist lore wise, at least not in the form of actual aenguls and daemons that can be contacted and interacted with. "Dead" or inert aenguls/daemons (like the Creator) are more acceptable.

 

(( And yes I have played a dwarf don't shoot me!!!!)

[KarmaDelta 969]

1 hour ago, AGiantPie said:

 I've found that staff members in general do not do a good job of Rping and properly portraying Gods (I mean, can anyone really?),

 

I can.

I have enough cynicism within me to portray 50 gods at the same time.

 

Also, the Brath do exist lore wise I believe, but just not labeled as Daemons or Aenguls, just unknown entities. Wyvrun or whatever was just something added to appease the Snow Elves or something I dunno, I wasn't around during those times.

[Hiebe 2493]

I'm pretty sure they were already anguels or deamons at one point... why not if it allows role play to progress and have event team be able to interact with the players (given a script to read of course)

 

There should be no bars set against our religion 

[James 425]

Locked, after discussing with the clergy about the split in the community we have come to an agreement. Orgrahad will be given a trial, and will decide the rest of the Brathmordakin. Have amazing days!