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[argonian 14254]

Quick recap of what our lovely new admin has done for us in the last week or two:

• Voided RP and threatened to ban a guy because "not responding to forum RP is metagaming"(which'd make himself and the entire server also guilty of that)
• Fucked up the management of the warclaim and nearly got it delayed 12 days before brules saved his ass.
• Oversaw the removal of an ET for BS reasons without even informing the ET leader or the member in question, or letting him defend himself for that matter.
• Removed a GM with no proof and without letting him defend himself.

Jesus ******* Christ, what next for our wonderful boy in blue?

[mmat 7460]

Lets just face the truth; Telanir and 501warhead have absolutely 0 admin qualities whatsoever. They are ONLY admins because they were tech before.

[argonian 14254]

1 hour ago, Joe / joenaj / Yemekar said:

High flung statements of claimed bias as a result of unfavorable decisions to you and your player base's goals is not bias, but simply reprimanding for negative action. Tahmas is not nearly the worst admin we've ever had. He's not nearly even a bad one. He works diligently staying in all teamspeaks available for a word if need be. 

 

He is the target of scapegoating as suddenly the admin team rules against Oren. As soon as that happens it must be bias. This post screams confirmation bias. It screams high horse. 

 

@Tahmas don't resign. This is simply adversity in the face of a changing staff team that doesn't necessarily inherently favor Oren. There is still a large group of players that is very much in favor of your position and a large group who is simply standing by at it. The vocal minority is not the majority.

 

As for the claims of no evidence. There is clear evidence evidence enough that those who were being victimized felt uncomfortable posting it in fear that people like you and your friends would target them further. I'm in favor of the defense of such people who fear even speaking out.

 

There is a large amount of pent up anger in this post that can only be a result of the fact that you are not getting your way in a world that can only go your way. My suggestion is simply to speak with the staff team more on this instead of tin foiling and demanding removal with high flown diction and accusation of someone who for once is actually doing their job.

This is coming from the same guy who defended Xbox when he threatened to ban all of Oren for responding to a bird.

[Naj 545]

Just now, James2k said:

This is coming from the same guy who defended Xbox when he threatened to ban all of Oren for responding to a bird.

WHO?! AHAHAHAHAHAH

I wasn't even there hahahahaha

[𝕾𝖙𝖆𝖗𝖌𝖚𝖘𝖍 2451]

19 minutes ago, tornado241 said:

 

This has absolute no value to anything. It can clearly be seen that throughout RP that Malgonious an DPM have gone against Oren even when they tried to strike a deal. This is not OOC hate but common sense.

DPM hasn't always went against Oren, in fact he used to play a Horen. People followed them into the Dreadlands and everywhere else for a reason.

[JEEGK 1367]

7 minutes ago, James2k said:

Quick recap of what our lovely new admin has done for us in the last few weeks:

• Voided RP and threatened to ban a guy because "not responding to forum RP is metagaming"(which'd make himself and the entire server also guilty of that)
• Fucked up the management of the warclaim and nearly got it delayed 12 days before brules saved his ass.
• Oversaw the removal of an ET for BS reasons without even informing the ET leader or the member in question, or letting him defend himself for that matter.
• Removed a GM with no proof and without letting him defend himself.

Jesus ******* Christ, what next for our wonderful boy in blue?

haha i ******* love this.

 

it's hard for certain staff teams to understand that oldest member of the team doesn't make them the wisest. No offense towards Tahmas in all, just in general.

 

 

[♛Lucas♛ 567]

20 minutes ago, 吳憾戰士14 said:

 

K.

 

While I'm here I'll also post some of the times your clique's attacked me on the forums (The ones I can dig up on short notice). Which I'm sure you had absolutely no part in encouraging and supporting

 

https://gyazo.com/e961ee16144c8690e03c03bf3ac7556c

https://gyazo.com/abb64b925f04c6d3df306cc27ecdd555

https://gyazo.com/d7d8eaf43419106bbb069b8b550d7780

https://gyazo.com/e614d45344d43962b492513bf9f7d1d6

https://gyazo.com/4426de3dcec017e349a053382b07816e

 

Ew Pink forum plz burn

[Nathan_Barnett36 1564]

23 minutes ago, DPM said:

 

snake smh, next time u try to kiss my ass on ts just gonna ban u

Or maybe he legit sees the errors in your ways and has decided to tell the truth? Can't really say he snaked you when all's he is doing is saying how you oocly target Oren.

[Kevinblabla7 641]

9 minutes ago, James2k said:

Voided RP and threatened to ban a guy because "not responding to forum RP is metagaming"(which'd make himself and the entire server also guilty of that)

Ye, I might havent done some rp but I shouldnt have to reply to a forum post to see it.

 

I dislike Tahmas for the way he acts during different kind of situations. The moment I 'turned against' Urguan, he started to act more shittier towards me. For me it just looks like he wanted to get this position the moment he joined lotc.

 

Oren has their abusing GM's as well. Gm's reading trough logs and then metagame. Metagame from Skype leaks etc. Also ooc banning. I know, if they do it ooc then let us do the same. No, if they do it ooc then solve it out with the person, or go to an admin. I mean no hate to you all, you guys are actually quite reasonable.

 

Fm's, dont hide posts if there is no reason to. Rp posts directed at you, just anything. If I was a FM I wouldnt hide rp posts where they're hating on me like the poem they've made about my character.

 

Everyone has their points that need improving. Almost every staff member has done something they shouldn't have done. Not just one.

[WuHanXianShi14 0]

Just now, Harold said:

make a post about wanting to bring back erotic roleplay onto the server again, with kids on the whitelist, i'm going to call you out on it.

But that's not what I said at all. I believe I made a facetious (i.e joking) comment about the double standard we have between exposing kids violence and sex. Even if I was seriously advocating for a return of brothels (which I wasn't) I didn't say once I wished for ERP to be legal on LOTC in the slightest.

 

But, even if I had, please explain to me how linking a hostile characature meme is in any way "Calling me out" in a remotely productive (or even sensical) manner? It was harrassment. Plain and simple. If you had any interest in actually addressing the issue at the time you could have PM'd me privately or even responded on the thread with what you just replied above. See how actually talking with people helps clear up misunderstandings, as opposed to shitting on them and degrading them?

 

 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Jaeden said:

You forgot one.
The whole controversial ordeal where the lead Dev director handed out warning points even after FM verdicts.
Then the admins made no attempt to rectify the aftermath, and instead silently announced that Devs are capable of fulfilling Game Moderator duties.
 

Edit: Please try not to Gucko me. If you wish for the post to be removed despite this information not having any disclosure rules about it, then feel free to message me. Ta.

One correction. Devs have had GM pex and the ability to use it as GMs do since I was a Trial, so that's about 6-7 months now. That's all.

[Daisy 9735]

8 minutes ago, Jaeden said:

You forgot one.
The whole controversial ordeal where the lead Dev director handed out warning points even after FM verdicts.
Then the admins made no attempt to rectify the aftermath, and instead silently announced that Devs are capable of fulfilling Game Moderator duties.
 

 

I love your selective out of context quoting from our PMs. The admins actually told me that Devs aren't allowed to moderate the forums, which I was not aware of. That's the exact opposite of what you claim. I was told I was wrong, got a warning, and ceased. They made no silent announcement, and I believe 501 did rectify it, PMing people I warned that they could appeal the points to the FM lead.

 

As for Devs acting as GMs, that quote is a bit inaccurate. I was sleep deprived in an airport after a delayed flight when sending that. We have the pex and can do modreqs, but we don't do bans or player disputes, unless it's plugin abuse. Until recently I thought we could do warnings on the forums as well - I was wrong and it will not occur again. In fact, the Devs left GM chat today since they didn't want us in there anymore.

[Guest]

Just now, James2k said:

We were never told that they could act as FMs, and overriding FM verdicts certainly goes against their policy of "do the job only when a moderator isn't around".

Their duties have unofficially been to do all that a mod does, so forum stuff is vaguely there. I don't know. If it was up to me it wouldn't be the case, but there is a precedent to justify it ever so slightly.

[Nathan_Barnett36 1564]

Just now, Kowaman said:

 

I love your selective out of context quoting from our PMs. The admins actually told me that Devs aren't allowed to moderate the forums, which I was not aware of. That's the exact opposite of what you claim. I was told I was wrong, got a warning, and ceased. They made no silent announcement, and I believe 501 did rectify it, PMing people I warned that they could appeal the points to the FM lead.

Yet 501 literally banned 6x yesterday with no basis and without checking the logs, going off Pando's statement. He only got unbanned after someone else got logs.

[Aengoth 2890]

15 minutes ago, 吳憾戰士14 said:

But that's not what I said at all. I believe I made a facetious (i.e joking) comment about the double standard we have between exposing kids violence and sex. Even if I was seriously advocating for a return of brothels (which I wasn't) I didn't say once I wished for ERP to be legal on LOTC in the slightest.

 

But, even if I had, please explain to me how linking a hostile characature meme is in any way "Calling me out" in a remotely productive (or even sensical) manner? It was harrassment. Plain and simple. If you had any interest in actually addressing the issue at the time you could have PM'd me privately or even responded on the thread with what you just replied above. See how actually talking with people helps clear up misunderstandings, as opposed to shitting on them and degrading them?

 

 

If you were one for communication you wouldn't consistently make an effort to hide content on the forums by frequently claiming harassment or having your friends on the team hide it for you. If you do not deem something productive you immediately lash out as a means to further validate your own beliefs as has been a trend of your since before last February when we were both FM and GM. As soon as you became an FM you immediately became one of the leading FM's in handing out warns and hiding posts. You crack the whip on those you disagree with whenever you believe you're able to get away with it. Your flagrant abuse of your positions has been a long standing problem within this community. If it wasn't for Dohvi accepting you back onto the Forum Team with minimal consideration after you were banned for breaking rules you were perfectly well aware of while being a GM.

 

Time and time again you've used the victim card like so many past terrible staff members to defend the fact that you're incapable of being unbiased in how you handle your position in this community.

 

note: The unfortunate matter is these issues are not unique to leowarrior alone nor is he the worst perpetrator of such problems. The abundance of individuals who act similarly to this is a leading cause in why the community so often in the last two years has been disgruntled.