Treshure 5818 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Just now, 吳憾戰士14 said: To be fair nothing came of those complaint threads Pyro/Oren made, the haelun'or coup in the end was still OOCly railroaded so the main rg owners were in charge, the dwarven artifacts were never given back to Oren after confiscated by the staff and so on. So the question stands; why should this dynamic RP which we've all been striving for (and should be getting) now apply to courland when it never applied to Oren. It should apply to both equally and be implemented during a time in which its implementation doesn't deal a blow to either side. Talk about double standard holy **** just because you can't wipe out the entire orcish player base doesn't mean the other side of the server can't get fair, logical cause Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WuHanXianShi14 0 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Just now, Treshure said: Talk about double standard holy **** just because you can't wipe out the entire orcish player base doesn't mean the other side of the server can't get fair, logical cause What does that have to do with anything I just said Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treshure 5818 Share Posted January 6, 2017 3 minutes ago, 吳憾戰士14 said: What does that have to do with anything I just said "why should this group (completely irrelevant to the haelunor coup, dwarf artifacts, and orcs) get a fair process when we couldn't (with the afformentioned groups)?" doesn't make any sense Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WuHanXianShi14 0 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Just now, Treshure said: "why should this group (completely irrelevant to the haelunor coup, dwarf artifacts, and orcs) get a fair process when we couldn't (with the afformented groups)?" doesn't make any sense Yeah, understand that from the perspective of an Orenian, to have their attempts to conquer regions and deal blows be thwarted time and time again by the staff, then when the enemy does the same to them it is suddenly allowed, it wouldn't make much sense. I stand by my words in earlier threads that Dynamic RP should be facilitated, but the staff have made their stance clear. To do a 180 now on their policy (without any sort of announcement either) when the scales seem tipped in the rebel's favour and not Oren's would be way too fishy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Publius 4098 Share Posted January 6, 2017 I wasn't removed from power, I left for a variety of reasons - many being related to a failure of the staff to accommodate the needs of my community (like expanding the city limit of 150x150 by 30 blocks so we could use the other half of a plateau on the island it was on and finish our capitol especially). Funnily enough, the limit that crushed me and made it impossible to truly kickstart my community was overturned as soon as the overzealous staff member that had motioned against my efforts stepped down from admin. Shows you the nature of administrating/moderating. It's very clear that rules and whatnot these days are made and implemented in completely subjective ways, and with no real ear for the community; the fact that dozens of players struggle to find a niche on a map as massive as Axios bc of limited opportunity to establish themselves is to me the likeliest reason there has been such record lows being hit. The entirety of the server is perpetually upset, and rather than finding resolution, we find staff picking sides and being dishonest about it. Maybe it's about time to stop focusing entirely on these situations and find an alternative solution to actually catering to people wishing to enjoy the server (something that makes people want to play on the server, which is in turn good for activity). That's as in depth as I'll go publicly before I go back to shitposting Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
func_Soap 410 Share Posted January 6, 2017 It took me a while to realise how many of these have actually gone up... How many apologetic, faux-understanding official replies GMs and Admins have made... Only for no f****** changes to have been made. It's honestly abysmal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdnerdy 1539 Share Posted January 6, 2017 i really dont care what decision is made regarding the region, hopefully the staff makes a smart decision (doubt it but w/e) im just happy that i get to kill stauntons again haha Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski_king3 0 Share Posted January 6, 2017 39 minutes ago, 吳憾戰士14 said: To be fair nothing came of those complaint threads Pyro/Oren made, the haelun'or coup in the end was still OOCly railroaded so the main rg owners were in charge, the dwarven artifacts were never given back to Oren after confiscated by the staff and so on. So the question stands; why should this dynamic RP which we've all been striving for (and should be getting) now apply to courland when it never applied to Oren. It should apply to both equally and be implemented during a time in which its implementation doesn't deal a blow to either side. Ah, you mean that coup that explicitly broke raid rules. That dynamic RP (OOCly coordinated login of 30 guys at 10pm to remove someone for purely OOC reasons) had no approval by anyone who was fit to give it, in this case the person holding the region seems to have passed it along willingly. In one, the dynamic RP was against server rules, in the other the players explicitly got permission from the person they needed it from. You were a GM, and a good one at that. You're smart. I get it that the outcome is not favorable to you, but surely you have the perspective to recognize that these two situations aren't particularly comparable. Hopefully this doesn't come across as a personal attack, as that's not my intent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JVQ 1719 Share Posted January 6, 2017 44 minutes ago, 吳憾戰士14 said: To be fair nothing came of those complaint threads Pyro/Oren made, the haelun'or coup in the end was still OOCly railroaded so the main rg owners were in charge, the dwarven artifacts were never given back to Oren after confiscated by the staff and so on. So the question stands; why should this dynamic RP which we've all been striving for (and should be getting) now apply to courland when it never applied to Oren. It should apply to both equally and be implemented during a time in which its implementation doesn't deal a blow to either side. When you refer to the artefact incident as dynamic RP you are mistaken. We want legitimate and dynamic RP; Kevinblabla rage quitting and opening the vaults for his pals doesn't really fall within that bracket. Can't say anything for the Haelun'or coup, don't know anything about it... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeypoacher 8055 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Why does it matter who owns a region OOCly, via worldguard? Why does this plugin matter more than in-character continuity? How can Pyro realistically explain being able to wander into Courland and remove all of the locks on doors and boxes? Christ, this is ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WuHanXianShi14 0 Share Posted January 6, 2017 15 minutes ago, ski_king3 said: Ah, you mean that coup that explicitly broke raid rules. That dynamic RP (OOCly coordinated login of 30 guys at 10pm to remove someone for purely OOC reasons) had no approval by anyone who was fit to give it, in this case the person holding the region seems to have passed it along willingly. In one, the dynamic RP was against server rules, in the other the players explicitly got permission from the person they needed it from. You were a GM, and a good one at that. You're smart. I get it that the outcome is not favorable to you, but surely you have the perspective to recognize that these two situations aren't particularly comparable. Hopefully this doesn't come across as a personal attack, as that's not my intent. Paging @Silver Vandal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeypoacher 8055 Share Posted January 6, 2017 47 minutes ago, ski_king3 said: Ah, you mean that coup that explicitly broke raid rules. That dynamic RP (OOCly coordinated login of 30 guys at 10pm to remove someone for purely OOC reasons) had no approval by anyone who was fit to give it, in this case the person holding the region seems to have passed it along willingly. In one, the dynamic RP was against server rules, in the other the players explicitly got permission from the person they needed it from. You were a GM, and a good one at that. You're smart. I get it that the outcome is not favorable to you, but surely you have the perspective to recognize that these two situations aren't particularly comparable. Hopefully this doesn't come across as a personal attack, as that's not my intent. You say this, as though "raid rules" exist for any reason other than to prevent dynamic RP, and as though the violation of "raid rules" actually delegitimized the roleplay that occurred. There are no "rules" on this server. When rules are applied subjectively, based on ad hoc judgements with nebulous or nonexistent precedents, they cease to be "rules," and become "guidelines." When "guidelines" are liable to be edited on a whim, they cease to be anything worth noting at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
501warhead 1796 Share Posted January 6, 2017 1 hour ago, 吳憾戰士14 said: the dwarven artifacts were never given back to Oren after confiscated by the staff and so on Incorrect, actually. Half of the relics went to the dwarves, half went to Oren. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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