Xarkly 17299 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Community Vote Warzone Spawning Alrighty, so after the last warzone we received a fair bit of feedback about Warzones and how they work -- namely, how spawning works. This mainly came out of the frustration of base-camping and how it pretty much sapped the fun out of the Warzone for both sides with the dominant army just camping the losing side's base. So, we've listened to your feedback and we've come up with a few possible solutions that we'd like for you to read and vote for your favorite. Additionally, if you've got any ideas of your own, go ahead and post them, and if people like your idea more, then we'll use that. And while we're at it, if you've got any other criticism about Warzones, make a comment here and we'll try to improve based off that. __________________ IDEA ONE DROP-DOWN SPAWNING This spawning system was attempted for the first Lorraine v Dunamis Warzone and we got a lot of negative and positive feedback from it. For those of you who don't know, the idea is quite simple: each army has their usual Warzone camp, but enemies are now ALLOWED to storm Warzone camps. Instead, players spawn in a small room (such as a windowless tower or inside a tree) where they are safe from harm. From this room, players can drop down into their Warzone camp and fight as normal. This idea was suggested by other players who found Warzones boring due to spawn-camping. This method would permit armies to storm each others bases if the gates were left often, but they would NOT be permitted to stay in the bases after they had killed any players inside. Camping the drop-down point is not allowed. So, to summarise: Warzone Bases can be stormed, but players must leave after the players inside are killed. Players spawn in a safe room from where they can drop down into their Warzone camp. Camping the drop-down point or remaining inside an enemy Warzone camp is not allowed. The main issue I foresee with this one is that it will be difficult to moderate players camping enemy drop-down points, but this was a popular concept among Warzone participants. If you think it can be improved in any way, vote for this option and comment on the ways it can be improved. _______________________ IDEA TWO PORTAL SPAWNING This idea completely removes any element of camping Warzone bases. This idea would still involve Warzone camps, but only as a place where players can prepare before fighting. There would be no entrances or exits to the Warzone camp - instead, there will be three portals INSIDE the Warzone camp which players can use to spawn in three different locations throughout the Warzone map. They would be evenly spaced apart both from the other portal-locations and the enemy portal-locations. This idea removes the threat of camping Warzone bases because players can now choose three possible locations to spawn in. This allows for more strategies in Warzones and will ideally spread the fighting throughout the Warzone map instead of at the gates of one of the Warzone bases. Players can leave the Warzone through fast travels inside their base (if they choose not to fight and want to leave) or just outside their base (if they used their portals to enter into the Warzone proper). Both armies will have seperate portal-spawn locations. Warzones no longer have entrances/exits. Players have a choose of three portals to use to spawn in three different locations throughout the map. There will be little-to-no spawn camping. I believe this idea has potential because it will force fighting throughout a broader area of the Warzone and will allow players to craft more strategies as they have more options of where they can spawn in. Similarly, if you think this idea can be bettered, comment as to how and vote for this idea. ______________________ IDEA THREE NO-MAN'S LAND This idea still involves Warzone camps, but now they cannot be invaded or even camped. There will be a 'safe region' that expands beyond each Warzone camp, and enemies cannot cross into this region. Fighting will take place in an area between both sides' 'safe regions', in a no-mans-land type area. Here's a beautiful drawing by Shannon to illustrate this; The fighting would take place in the area with stars, while the arrowed-lines mark the 'safe region' which enemies can't cross into. This makes it very difficult for either side to spawn camp since there's a much broader entrance into the enemy camp, though this may not necessarily fix peek-fighting along the borders without heavy moderation. _______________________________________ Alright, so that's that. If you've got any other ideas, please don't hesitate to mention them here and we'll include them in the vote. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fimlin 1997 Share Posted June 19, 2017 why don't we just not have warzones and I don't know.. perhaps let them be made by the people fighting in the war? nah that'll just make this more like a faction server right? instead we should just have teleports in and make other people build them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackhen 68 Share Posted June 19, 2017 "why don't we just not have warzones " If you don't like them no one is forcing u to go to them @Fimlin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford 1996 Share Posted June 19, 2017 revert wc rules back to how it was in 2.0 through 3.0 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeypoacher 8055 Share Posted June 19, 2017 warzones used to be areas of the world that actually existed so that wars could have any actual meaning outside of a weekly pvp activity but I like options 2/3 they look fun Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItzYoBoiEd 148 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Drop down? lol this a factions server now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
argonian 14254 Share Posted June 19, 2017 23 minutes ago, Hackhen said: "why don't we just not have warzones " If you don't like them no one is forcing u to go to them @Fimlin no he means player-made warzones like we had in the past. both sides would agree on a front on the actual map where they could just insta-PVP each other. GMs banned it though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeypoacher 8055 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Just now, James2k said: no he means player-made warzones like we had in the past. both sides would agree on a front on the actual map where they could just insta-PVP each other. GMs banned it though. 0 dwarven trenches never forget Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xarkly 17299 Author Share Posted June 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, James2k said: no he means player-made warzones like we had in the past. both sides would agree on a front on the actual map where they could just insta-PVP each other. GMs banned it though. 0 If higher staff didn't object, I'd be down for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizzol 252 Share Posted June 19, 2017 I have an issue for no man's land. I use to work as a mod for a role play faction server and really the biggest issue is that all the world boarder causes is a new "gate" so all you have done is made forts larger. Drop down portals just makes this a pvp server however if you really wanted to stick with it then have staff watch the wz or else you will get a lot of complaining. (The staff could just be an et member watching in vanish after all people tend to complain that the et don't do events anyway. I like portals though assuming there isn't a way to jump back and forth to avoid death from war zone proper and your safe area. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nordicg_d 1847 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Firstly, people need to stop using the excuse of "lotc isnt a pvp faction server!! D:<" This is a vote for the warzone, a pvp based event. If you oppose pvp, don't go to warzones? Simple as. I was one of the few people that suggested option one during the Flaynamis warzone. Theres a reason so many pvp servers use the drop down spawn. It works. If the opposing side is stupid enough to open their gates they should be punished for it and such we should allow camp raiding. Raiding/storming also prevents fort camping. Option three is a joke, right? What mad man thought of this. Sure your little paint drawing looks cute and all but it will just continue the dumb ass camping **** that plagues the current warzone system. Instead of gate pvp it will just be border pvp. No thanks. There shouldn't be any safe zones in the warzone. If you enter a pvp zone, you should expect to die. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gandalfo 1452 Share Posted June 19, 2017 do not make this a factions pvp server, do what @fimlin and @james2k both said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dtrik 330 Share Posted June 19, 2017 I like small pve peace lands of wooden spades Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xarkly 17299 Author Share Posted June 19, 2017 Yeah it looks like real-world warzones are a definite possibility so we'll be looking at doing them in the future. For now though, continue voting on this poll. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thornz 549 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Where are the new raid rules 8( Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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