Inside the GM & Admin Teams

[saint swag 2484]

13 minutes ago, Sky said:

Isn't it sad that I know several members of staff who literally say "I would like to post on that thread, but I don't want to be removed from the team.", really makes you think...

"my minecraft staff position is more important than standing up for whats right"

 

really activates your almonds bruther...

[Lark 2227]

4 minutes ago, Sky said:

Isn't it sad that I know several members of staff who literally say "I would like to post on that thread, but I don't want to be removed from the team.", really makes you think...

 

Can't be threatened with removal if you're already leaving ?

 

Honestly though, aside from my own frustrations to vent I don't have much to say other than, what parts of the GM Team are cliquey? I have friends I roleplayed with on the GM Team like Starfelt and Knox who is an Admin, and i had like one interaction with Shadowed once in rp. If you check Operation Kaboom 2 I don't think its very cliquey?

[blago 1602]

2 minutes ago, Lark said:

 

Can't be threatened with removal if you're already leaving ?

 

Honestly though, aside from my own frustrations to vent I don't have much to say other than, what parts of the GM Team are cliquey? I have friends I roleplayed with on the GM Team like Starfelt and Knox who is an Admin, and i had like one interaction with Shadowed once in rp. If you check Operation Kaboom 2 I don't think its very cliquey?

Like I said - It could've changed since I left, but it tends to be in the management area. I also specified this doesn't apply to every GM. 

[_Elrith_ 4525]

16 minutes ago, Blago said:

Though those apples tend to be the ones holding on to the higher management. That's why I did make sure to specify that not every one of them are bad, but there is very little leeway to bring a better change when the effort leaves with you being quickly put out since it's kind of hard to argue against authoritative positions. 

Call people out, or just me if you feel that I'm a bad apple. My Discord Thanhium - Elrith#7561

[blago 1602]

2 minutes ago, Elrith said:

Call people out, or just me if you feel that I'm a bad apple. My Discord Thanhium - Elrith#7561

The post is more than just calling people out, but I already aimed my main focus at the specific people who really matter in the thread. If you only see this as that, and aren't taking in the genuine full concern, you are just a contribution to some of the issues. 

[_Elrith_ 4525]

6 minutes ago, Blago said:

The post is more than just calling people out, but I already aimed my main focus at the specific people who really matter in the thread. If you only see this as that, and aren't taking in the genuine full concern, you are just a contribution to some of the issues.

Seems like you've jumped to an assumption that I haven't taken in the full concerns of this post. Instead of flooding you with several questions or requests at once and delving into the fray, I asked you one question so then I can build upon other questions. 

[blago 1602]

Just now, Elrith said:

Seems like you've jumped to an assumption that I haven't taken in the full concerns of this post. Instead of flooding you with several questions or requests at once and delving into the fray, I asked you one question so then I can build upon other questions. 

You didn't ask it as a question, and presented it as being more of a witty response unimportant to the main reason of this thread. This isn't a Q&A, keep in mind, but if you have any actual questions or would like to see some of the logs you can feel free to personally add me.

[Raomir 1855]

I’m glad you saw the error in your ways. I was very suprised to see you be a stern GM.

[_Elrith_ 4525]

7 minutes ago, Blago said:

You didn't ask it as a question, and presented it as being more of a witty response unimportant to the main reason of this thread. This isn't a Q&A, keep in mind, but if you have any actual questions or would like to see some of the logs you can feel free to personally add me.

If it was a witty response I would have added more sarcasm and degraded your post by calling it a shitpost, but it isn't. I even included my Discord to receive PMs. Either way, the server's state isn't perfect and it could be better. The GM Team I believe has a lot of potential as of now, might have been different when you were GM. I don't think Discord logs are going to remedy any of the problems this server has, being forged, faked, croped, etc. I could be wrong and these logs may have a lot of credibility, but I'm going to take a nap, spent most of the day building for ET, WD, and myself, and there are a lot of heated topics that concern the moderation area of LoTC. Just need a break from the constant turmoil. Probably will DM you tomorrow.

[blago 1602]

1 minute ago, Jaeden said:

@Blago I don't care too much if Fireheart's said some stuff about me in the past, or present for that matter. Everyone is human and we all have disagreements on how certain things can or should operate - I don't take these disagreements to heart, nor should anyone.

 

As for the thread itself: I definitely do think there could be improvements done to moderation in general; there likely always will be. I won't sit here and say that I wholeheartedly support every decision from the upper echelon of staff lately, nor will I defend them for it. But I can confidently say that out of all the variations of the GM team that I've witnessed since the start of my initial tenure in mid 2017, the current iteration is probably one of the most productive and effective. Is that to say it's perfect? Of course not. Though the team is making an honest effort. It still has patches it can work on, but that will be every team regardless of who runs it.

 

And just to dispel the 'cliques' thing, there's none on the team at the moment. Every member's been around the block with disagreeing with one another. So unless I'm being deceived, then I'm pretty confident we have a wide assortment of people.

 

I'm also awful at typing right now, it's 10 in the morning and I haven't slept. I'll try to answer questions, so just sling 'em at me.

I can believe the clique is dead now considering with Ioannis the group was tightly knitted together - However, that's obviously the least of my concerns, it's still the way of thinking, and actions. No matter the number of tickets actually done - It's not changing the behaviour used in serious situations, in system productivity, as well as player handling. I couldn't care much for the clique, but it's still a bit nicer to know that it's not as around as before. 

Either way - That doesn't really change the main issue here, even yourself know there's a problem with current moderation, and though yes there will always be issues, I believe, and obviously so does the whole server, that the current ones are too severe to just be accepted as being around.

6 minutes ago, Raomir said:

I’m glad you saw the error in your ways. I was very suprised to see you be a stern GM.

Yeah, I do apologize for that situation as well, Raomir. 

[blago 1602]

8 minutes ago, Jaeden said:

 

What behaviour are you talking about exactly? Not trying to sound snarky, I mean that with sincerity. Since there's always been a problem of behaviour being too robotic and unapproachable, or too casual and immature. I'm wanting to know where a lot of us are currently perceived so I can put in an effort to try and remedy it. Speaking on a more personal note of it: I think the largest issue with casual behaviour at least is that none of our staff are contracted, not even the developers. It's volunteered time so people don't have the threat of a livelihood on the line if they speak out of turn, or notable ramifications if they aren't following conduct in every hour they spend online. While I'm not defending any staff member that intentionally goes out of their way to be a nuisance because 'they can', I'm just trying to give my thoughts on the occasional slip-ups.

 

Though I fully agree with you. While yes there always will be problems, the current ones - as you said - are far too severe. Efforts are being made by a large portion of us to improve these as best we can. Wolfkite has been working on heists for some time now, and I believe he's working on another project (pretty sure this one's public as well, but I'll leave that in his hands!). I've recently picked up a new Charters / Regions draft I had laying around after hearing territories won't be until 1.13. I'm sure we have others working on some more projects as well; I'm currently trying to familiarise myself after a small half-week hiatus.

Oh well obviously that itself is a concern as well, but I didn't really get into the whole being emotionally dead than the Team needing more transparency. Where I was more concerned, though mostly with the Administration, is the insensitivity and support to very criminal matters. I think in moderation, the area is more the feeling where they like to act they understand what's going on, yet return to the area where nothing is actually done while also acting as if this is just another time of senseless rioting. Obviously 501 preaches this of all Admins, but it's pretty general with GMs. There's also the pride of ego, targeting, opinionated verdicts which rule and only lead to more community outcry which is faced with the same viewpoint again. I'd like to get more into it, but I feel like I covered what matters in the original thread where you can look up for that question. I'm sure when my energy returns I'll be glad to come back in full groove.

Also I'm glad to hear that, but I've also been the one to say that to players before and most of the time nothing actually comes - So all I can say is that I hope that's actually coming. I've been glad to see an attempt in changing the war system while adding a heist one, which I voiced on the heist thread, it's a good yet small step. My main concern though is still the emotional behaviour/actions, which I understand is hard to control when these are volunteering people in an unprofessional platform, but than again that's the priority with taking up moderation in such a big community. A lot of these positions are taken to people that use them for their own benefit, manipulating, hurting, and damaging the server. Some of the people to take them tend to be impulsive, or extremely biased to their opinions that in itself ends up damaging the health of the community. 

Another suggestion - Can there be a review of all suspected false bans, to see if the verdict was proper? It would take time, but there's a lot of coverage which needs work in that area. Same with the targeted removal of GMs just because they didn't side with another as I witnessed two of those, who's to say which others came. Ryan himself needs to do what he started, and also investigate every GM for abuse to make sure all floors are clear while rebuilding a better appearance for the server to love.  Obviously your comment isn't involving the Admins, but their insensitivity and blindness to what's going on needs to be handled most of all - Same with the incompetence. Not including Flamboyant, obviously.

Anyways Murlocs, I appreciate the actual good feedback. I'll get back to it if you want to continue when I'm fully awake so I can properly make my points. 

[Medvekoma 2073]

6 hours ago, Jaeden said:

And just to dispel the 'cliques' thing, there's none on the team at the moment. Every member's been around the block with disagreeing with one another. So unless I'm being deceived, then I'm pretty confident we have a wide assortment of people.

 

 

I would be willing to believe you, but sadly, any lies present about cliques on the GM team have been dispersed by the recently leaked logs. I have explained to @Lark in a private conversation my take on the leaks: they were unjust, illegal and compromised a "safe space" for the team.

 

However, it also highlighted core issues with the team and the general clique mentality.

 

Do you deny GM discord discussions about whole communities being "spastic", "retard", "toxic" or "low IQ"?

 

Do you deny GM discord discussions calling out specific players as "toxic AF", "retard", "should be banned tbqh"?

 

Do you deny that these player-bases or players were those lacking representation on the GM team the most?

 

I will be honest here. I welcomed the departure of Z3m0s from the team. Before the logs were leaked he showed us a false face of innocence and support, playing as a middle-man between Kaz'Ulrah and Az'adar for the various conflicts and debates. The leaked logs did, however, highlight him being radically toxic and biased against us to a point where a proper GM director would have said "stop" and kicked him.

[Medvekoma 2073]

39 minutes ago, Jaeden said:

Also to quickly add on regarding playerbase representation on staff (as I'm on my phone so I skimmed past it), all I have to say is this: APPLY. If a playerbase complains about misrepresentation yet does nothing about it (i.e: make an application, approach the team, etc) then I truly wonder if they care more about being the victim than fixing the issue.

 

Not really an option when any application I'd make receives comment from one specific set group of people, each saying "PM me and I will tell you why he shouldn't be on the staff team".

[blago 1602]

7 minutes ago, Jaeden said:

 

In the midst of typing a collective ten thousand words today, I totally forgot I had a reply pending for this.

 

I can get behind that suggestion in reviewing all suspected false bans. It'll take quite some time and effort, though I'd be more than happy to sit down with a portion of the team one of these days and go through each ban. I've been meaning to compile and reorganize our ban archives, since it's a bit of a mess right now.

As for the unjustly removal of past GMs, that's more Fireheart's domain. Though it may prove even more difficult than the last as removals (unless they were blacklisted as well) aren't logged.

 

Sorry for the short response. Too many threads to reply to :(.

It's no biggie, I can see you're busy with all the other dozen threads. I'll send you and Ryan some stuff I know to have been a false ban/removal later.

[D4NNA 284]

GM Purge when?

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