SimplySeo 5274 Popular Post Share Posted March 5 As it stands, in regards to action economy on LOTC, bows are, in my opinion, woefully underpowered. It currently takes three emotes to send an arrow down range, an arrow which is more likely, (due to the prevalence of plate armor on LOTC, and the fact its down to a flat roll) to do little to nothing at all. Archers- One of the three classic fantasy tropes (warrior, archer, mage) is basically useless. At the moment, _slings_ are more effective then bows due to their use against armor, yes, but also their lesser emote count. In fact, there's no reason to not bring a throwing weapon rather than a bow. They're quicker to use, and they hit harder. A goblin with a rock is currently more effective then an Elf who has been practicing archery for centuries, and that is kinda sad. The only events where I've seen bows be particularly useful are ones where the ET running it has dropped bows down to 2 emotes, and as for player vs player CRP, three emotes is a long time to waste to send a single arrow at somebody that might hit and might do some damage, while in 2 emotes I can throw an axe, a spear, or as I said, even a rock that'll hurt just as much. Make rangers useful again, make bows a viable option for people who want to play archer-types. But thats just my opinion, what are you guys thoughts? 47 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
satinkira 5942 Share Posted March 5 bows should be two whereas crossbows should be three 23 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demented_Delila 1128 Share Posted March 5 I concur with Satinkira. Two Emotes for Bows and Three for Crossbows simply makes sense, anyways. I could three emotes for NORMAL bows if we had like, special alchemical arrows or something. 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNerdocalypse 269 Share Posted March 5 it should be 3 to do a first attack, as drawing a bow should be an emote, like connecting to magic. But all attacks after should be 2 emotes as if connected to a magic. 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimplySeo 5274 Author Share Posted March 5 5 minutes ago, TheNerdocalypse said: it should be 3 to do a first attack, as drawing a bow should be an emote, like connecting to magic. But all attacks after should be 2 emotes as if connected to a magic. I don't hate this idea 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baccaaa 61 Share Posted March 5 (edited) Bows are 3? Thats a bit excessive imo. I think bows should be 2 as theyre relatively easy to load and fire IRL, if ure slightly adept at them obviously and as long as its not a longbow. Atleast thats what I think. Maybe 3 as someone else said if ure loading ur bow with something special that isnt a normal arrow and crossbows should definetly be 3 Edit: Ive only used bows ever in times its been allowed to be 2 and found it enjoyable, never got told to use it as 3 before, never knew this lol Edited March 5 by Baccaaa 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrHope 586 Share Posted March 5 I'd argue that lowering the bar to two emotes for archery is only the first step to fixing the sheer power gap between archery and other far more structured range systems BUT it's a good first step. As it stands, characters are practically born with armor on anyways so there's no point in having some poor longbowman stand far away from the action AND have to waste 3 emotes to a potentially useless action. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unwillingly 11178 Share Posted March 5 >can carry an infinite quiver of arrows irp or however many u can carry in ur inv >no rules that say you need irp archery experience in order to have accuracy (anyone can decide to be legolas whenever it's convenient to) >not a lot of rules in general surrounding ranged combat, let alone bows 3 emotes is fine archers are NOT an oppressed class edit: I voted for the wrong response **** you 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deer__ 529 Share Posted March 5 I think 3 emotes is fine for bows. You have the advantage of being at range. You also then have the problem of a lot of different magic's base projectiles being 'arrow strength' and taking three emotes as well. What about those? Do you want those to be two-emote? I think a lot of non-magic RPers would be up in arms about being two-emote ice projectiled over and and over. Amendment: 3 for the first 2 for anything after might be fine, because that is unironically also how void mages work. I didn't read anything else before commenting 🙂 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimplySeo 5274 Author Share Posted March 5 1 minute ago, Unwillingly said: >can carry an infinite quiver of arrows irp or however many u can carry in ur inv >no rules that say you need irp archery experience in order to have accuracy (anyone can decide to be legolas whenever it's convenient to) >not a lot of rules in general surrounding ranged combat, let alone bows 3 emotes is fine archers are NOT an oppressed class 1. Infinite arrows doesn't mean much when you're going to get 1 maybe 2 shots off before getting pulled into melee 2. Same applies to throwing weapons, crossbows, ******* ninja stars, and every other type of ranged weapon. 3. As is the general rule of 'roll and if its high ur prolly getting hit' has worked out well enough Let my people (aragorn larpers) go 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benleft 887 Share Posted March 5 I’ve buffed my BSK goon nest with a Templar banner and a Paladin enchant! Gashadokuro can never get past my choke point covered by a pair of archers with two-emote bows! Wait, he’s right behind me, isn’t he? 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimplySeo 5274 Author Share Posted March 5 6 minutes ago, Deer__ said: I think 3 emotes is fine for bows. You have the advantage of being at range. You also then have the problem of a lot of different magic's base projectiles being 'arrow strength' and taking three emotes as well. What about those? Do you want those to be two-emote? I think a lot of non-magic RPers would be up in arms about being two-emote ice projectiled over and and over. I mean if its arrow strength then sure. Templar is the only magic I've ever rlly had, besides that, I was one of those full-plate wearing non-magic RPers, archers were and are a non-threat because by the time they were able to get their shot off I was already either 1. Using a shield, 2. Behind cover, or 3, already in melee range of them or thejr buddy. I would suppose the same applies to spells that are just magic arrows, especially if its a roll to hit. Just now, Benleft said: I’ve buffed my BSK goon nest with a Templar banner and a Paladin enchant! Gashadokuro can never get past my choke point covered by a pair of archers with two-emote bows! So true 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unwillingly 11178 Share Posted March 5 14 minutes ago, SimplySeo said: 1. Infinite arrows doesn't mean much when you're going to get 1 maybe 2 shots off before getting pulled into melee 2. Same applies to throwing weapons, crossbows, ******* ninja stars, and every other type of ranged weapon. 3. As is the general rule of 'roll and if its high ur prolly getting hit' has worked out well enough Let my people (aragorn larpers) go 1. yes obviously if you are trying to use a RANGED weapon in a MELEE ground encounter you're not gonna be able to get many shots off. go somewhere ranged if you want to get more than a couple arrow hits. for example nevaehlen killed me fair and square once because they used bows the right way and stood on their walls and arrow spammed my inferis to death once. it's annoying but it worked, but for some reason people will stand in like a 10x10 isolated CRP encounter and complain that they can only get a couple of shots off before being attacked 2. correct, I'm also an advocate for balancing all types of ranged weaponry as well 3. people do this out of good faith, not by any enforced rule. this is also means that, considering there's no limit on how many arrows u can carry, you can just keep shooting until you roll a 20/20 and there's no real method or risk because you never have to worry about running out. u ever read hunger games bro?? katniss always worries about her arrow count!!! be like katniss!!! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epicethan4 271 Share Posted March 5 (edited) I would prefer if it stays three because I have Disjointed Conjuration which means I can shoot projectiles in two emotes after connection. If everyone gets to shoot bows at 2, then my relative power compared to everyone else decreases. Edited March 5 by Epicethan4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt_Noobman 1377 Share Posted March 5 The entire rp combat system is garbage and needs a top to bottom remake 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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