We Need To Do Better

[Yeetboy0206 1574]

This a post made not to toss blame, or to complain over a trivial issue. But on the second war claim for the war between Lurak and Vikela, there were one too many mistakes. I understand that there are bound to be numerous issues that can come up that cannot be predicted. And there were many of those. But in a war claim, PVP should not be turned off once it has gotten going because someone brought an item they weren't supposed to, nor should there have been code accounting for such an anomaly that messed with PVP. The fact that it occurred during a pivotal moment, and gave one side a significant and obvious advantage, only makes the issue worse. This is not to say that there was foul play, but when these mistakes occur in such a manner that they outright shift the tide of a battle unfairly, those who suffered for it are going to look for a blame. Because why should they suffer for something completely out of their control? In the name of all those people who were interested in a fair fight who had their hopes and the sight of victory ripped out from under them over a water bucket being placed, I call upon the staff working on the war claim server to take significant issue to ensure that no more mistakes of this degree occur in the future. No one should have to have their main worry in a war claim be whether or not the server is going to do something that makes victory impossible for their side, whether it be accidental, or whether it be foul play as many may begin to suspect. Such occurrences, even if they are not intended by the staff, disrupt faith that the staff are doing their jobs correctly, and that only causes problems to cascade. If this conflict is to be one that the majority of participants can accept the conclusion of, it needs to be conducted and managed in such a way where victory is not assured by which side has the least glitches that benefit them during a battle, but action and the will to win that makes so many fights interesting and exciting, whether you win or lose. We all need to do better, or no one will want to be in a war claim because of the stress and uncertainty, and that's not fair to everyone who has done everything in their power to make war claims fun and exciting for their members.

Edited July 13, 2024 by Ryfin Chany

[creamynoteblock 3256]

you got a redo

[Geckonawa 561]

It's okay, we agreed to a redo after the first outcome. The second attack went much faster though, I didn't even manage to take anyone's shoes. 

[Unwillingly 18097]

dude the fight was re-done. like yeah it sucks it couldn't have gone smoothly the first time but it was rerolled and pvp happened as normal

 

ur describing it like they literally didn't reroll the fight, which ur lucky they even did because it's extremely rare that ever happens in WCs

 

I know its a tough pill to swallow but u got a second chance and u still lost. nothing that did or didn't happen would have changed that outcome 

[amongus 816]

The fight was redone so that the issue of PvP turning off (which affected our side as well, causing some of us to die in the middle of a crowd we once couldn't hit) was solved and a fair fight for the both of us could be had. It worked fine afterwards, especially when folks were reimbursed with better gear than they had. They did as well as they could for the mistake, and all was fair in the end.

[wowj 9747]

@Java17this is all your fault!!!!!!

[Daisy 9732]

I want to quickly give a technical explanation of what happened.

 

As the Lurak side was approaching the fort during their push, water buckets were usable and were being placed to scale the walls. I quickly wrote a patch to the war server plugin to prevent water bucket placement, and hot-reloaded the plugin to apply the patch. Unfortunately, the default value for the PVP flag in the plugin is 'false' (even if a warclaim stage is 'active'), so PVP was disabled with no notice to even the staff. Once we realized the impact, we reset the fight and provided free gear to continue from the stage we left off. Yes, it was not a 100% exact recreation of the state it was during the push, and I wish it didn't happen, but it was the best we could do given the situation. I have fixed this bug in the code so that it cannot happen in a future fight.

 

We are continuously improving the war server to avoid issues and ensure a smooth experience. We'll do better next time, as we are learning from the mistakes and doing our best. I realize the stakes are high here, we spoke with both leaders after the fight and although it was not ideal, they seemed alright with the way we handled the issue.

[MailC3p 2403]

>"Hey guys, it sucks that pvp was turned off in the first fight! let's try to not let that happen again!"

>The entire Luraki rally coming out in droves to type "L" under the post and circle jerk themselves to death 

[marikandaperc 1817]

9 minutes ago, MailC3p said:

>"Hey guys, it sucks that pvp was turned off in the first fight! let's try to not let that happen again!"

>The entire Luraki rally coming out in droves to type "L" under the post and circle jerk themselves to death 

main post was unneeded lol the problem happened and was fixed servers not perfect 

[MailC3p 2403]

Just now, marikandaperc said:

main post was unneeded lol the problem happened and was fixed servers not perfect 

>LOTCers when server isn't perfect:
                >"Waaaaah why isn't server pefect! it's been 10 years!"

>LOTCers when server isn't perfect but helps them:
    >"Yeah, server isn't perfect, shut up"

[marikandaperc 1817]

7 minutes ago, MailC3p said:

>LOTCers when server isn't perfect:
                >"Waaaaah why isn't server pefect! it's been 10 years!"

>LOTCers when server isn't perfect but helps them:
    >"Yeah, server isn't perfect, shut up"

?????? i have no involvement whatsoever w this war lol

[MailC3p 2403]

Just now, marikandaperc said:

?????? i have no involvement whatsoever w this war lol

I know, I barely have any involvement either, that was a direct jab towards the Luraki's 

[Unwillingly 18097]

2 minutes ago, MailC3p said:

>LOTCers when server isn't perfect:
                >"Waaaaah why isn't server pefect! it's been 10 years!"

>LOTCers when server isn't perfect but helps them:
    >"Yeah, server isn't perfect, shut up"

literally what are you talking about

 

there isn't a single person who thinks the first fight would have gone down fair and square, but you guys are using it as an excuse as to why you lost and are going to permanently whine about how it was the sole reason you lost the fight. pvp being disabled didn't "help" us, nor did it disadvantage the vikelans. it simply happened and staff honored that mistake with a re-do, on top of extensive communication, which not a single person in our VC complained about despite us winning the first time

 

people are dogging on the post because everyone knows that it was an issue. we literally just got done hearing this last week, on top of kowa's follow-up post. this post doesnt introduce anything new other than a scapegoat to blame as to why you guys lost the fight, despite nothing being further from the truth

[Cepheid 4304]

3 minutes ago, Unwillingly said:

literally what are you talking about

 

there isn't a single person who thinks the first fight would have gone down fair and square, but you guys are using it as an excuse as to why you lost and are going to permanently whine about how it was the sole reason you lost the fight. pvp being disabled didn't "help" us, nor did it disadvantage the vikelans. it simply happened and staff honored that mistake with a re-do, on top of extensive communication, which not a single person in our VC complained about despite us winning the first time

 

people are dogging on the post because everyone knows that it was an issue. we literally just got done hearing this last week, on top of kowa's follow-up post. this post doesnt introduce anything new other than a scapegoat to blame as to why you guys lost the fight, despite nothing being further from the truth

+1.

 

qor'dash stocks still go up

[MailC3p 2403]

4 minutes ago, Unwillingly said:

as to why you guys lost the fight, despite nothing being further from the truth

I mean with how you guys positioned yourself, if pvp wasn't off there was a pretty good chance Vikela could've pulled out a W if it hadn't happened, and Vikelans know this, hence why they are a little upset.